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RE: Canada Imprisons People For Human Rights Activity
by jbugden＠smtplink.alis.ca 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

qut(a)netcom.com (Skip) >... you support imprisoning and deporting people based purely on their political ideas, ... Re: Ernst Zndel and his years of imprisonment by a court for merely expressing his racist ideas, racist political ideas being strictly illegal in Canada... Actually, he was charged with inciting hatred against a recognizable group but was eventually freed on appeal. I think the problem was that the prosecution could not find anyone who listened to Zundel and didn't already hate the same groups. Hence, no incitement. He is currently fighting to get his Canadian citizenship, (he is a German citizen) while many other people are fighting to prevent this. Zundel believes that returning to Germany would result in imprisonment. It's nice to know that the people we imprison for their views are still willing to go to court to become a Canadian citizen. James Nota: Quebec recently held a referendum on seperation from Canada. Just talk about secession of a state in the U.S., and you'll quickly see which country makes political ideas illegal.

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Cypherpunks Satelites?
by Brian D Williams 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

There was a review of a book called "Micro Space Craft" by Rick Fleeter in the Aug issue of WIRED. My copy arrived an hour ago...... Chapter one: Why are we here? Chapter two: Propulsion-or-how to get there? Chapter three: Orbit Mechanics-or-What keeps these things up anyway? Chapter four: Orbit Mechanics II: The Movie Chapter five: You Send Me: Orbit mechanics III Chapter six: Magnetic Attractions Chapter seven: Everything you always wanted to know about radio, Part one: Shatter the myth of the digital Miracle? Chapter eight: Everything you always wanted to know about radio Part two: Faster than a speeding bullet. Chapter nine: Everything you always wanted to know about radio Part three: What's up Doc? Chapter ten: Thermal Dynamics: Tough talk about temperature (A short virtually painless, and occasionally philosophical look at spacecraft thermostatics and thermodynamics. Chapter eleven: You got an attitude buddy?: (A primer on small satelite stability and control.) Chapter twelve: Memory systems for spacecraft-or-Memory-What is it good for? Chapter thirteen: Mechanisms: The nuts and bolts of small Satelites. Chapter fourteen: Batteries not included. Chapter fifteen: Bring'em up clean. Chapter sixteen: Satelite clusters Chapter seventeen: Where to look for historical underpinnings,term definitions, and revolutionary zeal turned up to 11. Chapter eighteen: Space history and a possible future. "Dr Rick Fleeter is a founder and President of the small Satelite and space transportation company AeroAstro, and the International Small Satelite Organization (ISSO). He has been responsible for development of over 20 miniature satelites ranging from 2.5 to 250 pounds and has been writing and publishing the "NEW SPACE" (previously ISSO) newsletter bimonthly since 1987." The Edge City Press 10912 Harpers Sq. Ct. Reston, VA 22091 703.620.6650 FAX 703.716.5752 9-5 EDT "I LIKE IT !!!"(****) YMMV Brian "Zazen? Well it beats sitting around on your ass all day doing nothing."

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Re: telco's vs x-phones
by Brian D Williams 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In a reply to Vipul Ved Prakash, Jim Bell wrote: >Assume 30 cents per meter per fiber for cabled fiber, or about $10 (US) per meter for 36-fiber cable. Siecore plain vanilla 36 fiber singlemode list $ 1.82 a foot, $5.46 a yard >Each fiber pair should be able to handle approximately 1 million >conversations at current data rates, or a total of 18 million >conversations for that 18-pair cable, or 9.5 trillion >conversation-minutes. At current data rates (OC-48 Sonet) 32,256 voice channels per fiber, 580,608 total for the fiber. Off by a factor of roughly 36 at this point. >Multiply this cost by 10 for right of way, trenching, repeaters, >and other auxiliary hardware, or $100 per meter. This is probably >just a ballpark estimate, but... Off by a factor of at least 10 not counting switching equipment. >I've read that estimates show that it would probably be cheaper to >provide cellular-telephone service in China to everyone than to >wire the country up with copper lines. This isn't particularly >surprising. Cell-phones solve the "last few hundred yards/mile or >two" problem quite well. Since nearly all of the actual >connections in a copperline telephone system are >switch-to-individual-phone lines, going cellular saves a bundle of >installation costs. A good point, in Sri Lanka they were having problems with copper bandits cutting down all the cable, till they switched to fiber. The question is can the average citizen of china afford a cell phone and service for what it can be installed. In a reply to me Jim bell wrote: >The long distance companies are not "using local networks," your >customers are...to connect to those long distance companies. And >any payments LD companies make to you are, indeed, a subsidy. >Tell me, how much is this _subsidy_, exactly? Who's using who is a matter of perspective. Q) if you call a dog's tail a "leg" how many legs does a dog have? A) four, calling a tail a leg doesn't make it one. Point? The LD companies pay to use the RBOC's networks, calling it a subsidy doesn't make it one, except maybe to you. If they don't like it, they are free (or soon will be) to build their own, or use someone elses. >As an alternative, the phone company would presumably be entitled >to be served by phone lines, at say $30 per month or so, through >which their customers reach them. $30 per month is $1 per day or >4 cents per hour or about 0.07 cents per minute. 3 cents doesn't >equal 0.07 cents, now does it?!? "Presumably be entitled?" The RBOC's currently charge what regulations allow, if the regs go away, they will charge what the market will pay. >Tell me again how "the local/long distance subsidy was eliminated >at breakup." Tell me another one, daddy... Enhance your calm Jim...... >How has this remaining SUBSIDY dropped over time, assuming it has? >When is it scheduled to drop to zero? The rate has gone down since the regs are changing and competition is increasing. I would be interested in hearing why you think it will ever drop to zero. >First, you need to figure out how to supply ISDN for a REASONABLE >charge, like "no extra charge!" to customers. It's been over 16 >years after I first heard of ISDN. At the time, it seemed like a >wonderful idea...against the 300 baud modems then in use. Against >modern 31K modems that you only have to pay for...ONCE...ISDN >seems mighty lame. >Face it, ISDN used to be a good idea. But it's just barely shown >up the moment it's hit the end of its marketing window. ISDN will >have a marketing lifetime for maybe a couple of more years, and >only then because you can't put more bits through a 3.4 khz >passband. >Not to mention all the bullshit propaganda that claimed that with >ISDN, you wouldn't have to buy any modems. Well, maybe that's >just because they didn't CALL them modems, but they charged way >more for an essentially indistinguishable function. Can you say, >"Fraud"? I knew you could! <sigh> Jim, first you set up the ISDN "Strawman" and then you knock it down. I no more believe that ISDN is the future than you do. Be well! Brian "Zazen? Well it beats sitting around on your ass all day doing nothing."

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Re: [NOISE] Airport legal question
by Alan Olsen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:50 PM 8/21/96 -0800, jim bell wrote: >>7/23: "I don't have a bomb in the bag." >>7/24: "Well no, I left my pipe bomb at home." >>8/1: "It's not as if we were Swedish and here to blow up the airport." > > >I wonder how they determined that the lines above were "bomb threats." They contain the word "bomb". Bombs are "threatening". Therefore they are "bomb threats". Isn't authoritarian logic fun? --- | "Remember: You can't have BSDM without BSD. - alan(a)ctrl-alt-del.com "| |"The moral PGP Diffie taught Zimmermann unites all| Disclaimer: | | mankind free in one-key-steganography-privacy!" | Ignore the man | |`finger -l alano(a)teleport.com` for PGP 2.6.2 key | behind the keyboard.| | http://www.teleport.com/~alano/ | alano(a)teleport.com |

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www.usdoj.gov mirror2
by jfricker＠vertexgroup.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

http://www.netlite.com/ameritek/usdoj is faster than that other site

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RE: Canada Imprisons People For Human Rights Activity
by Alan Olsen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:02 PM 8/21/96 EST, jbugden(a)smtplink.alis.ca wrote: >Nota: Quebec recently held a referendum on seperation from Canada. >Just talk about secession of a state in the U.S., and you'll quickly see which >country makes political ideas illegal. It did not seem to stop the secessionist movement in Alaska (at least when I was there). But then that was before the Feds started taking a more active role in Alaskan politics... (Especially with their involvement to get pot recriminalized back during the Reagan administration.) You expect the state to allow challenges to its authority? And lose its omnipotent status? "It takes a Village to raise a child." - Number 2 --- | "Remember: You can't have BSDM without BSD. - alan(a)ctrl-alt-del.com "| |"The moral PGP Diffie taught Zimmermann unites all| Disclaimer: | | mankind free in one-key-steganography-privacy!" | Ignore the man | |`finger -l alano(a)teleport.com` for PGP 2.6.2 key | behind the keyboard.| | http://www.teleport.com/~alano/ | alano(a)teleport.com |

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Re: Spamming
by Alex F 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> At 06:09 PM 8/20/96 -0700, Rich Graves wrote: > >On Wed, 21 Aug 1996, Vipul Ved Prakash wrote: > > > >> I don't know if there has been much discussion on the ethics of spamming > >> here? Is spamming free speech? > > > >Yes. > > No. [snip] Freedom of Speech includes freedom FROM speech. IOW, if it starts infringing on your rights, then it stops. Spam is unsolicited, commercial email, and it could possibly be argued that just as the spammer has the right to say whatever it is that he wants, we also have the right not to get his email. This can also get very convoluted. Besides that, it's just impolite. Alex F =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Alex F alexf(a)iss.net Marketing Specialist Internet Security Systems =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

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Re: [NOISE] Airport legal question
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:37 PM 8/20/96 -0700, William Knowles wrote: >Lucky, > >>I know that it is a violation of federal law to joke about explosives at >>the X-ray machine. Would an "I love Explosives" sticker on carry-on >>luggage violate any laws? > >Dunno, But you might get a kick out this from The Chicago Reader that >published a list of the "bomb threats" made at O'Hare International >airport a few weeks back. >7/23: "I don't have a bomb in the bag." >7/24: "Well no, I left my pipe bomb at home." >8/1: "It's not as if we were Swedish and here to blow up the airport." I wonder how they determined that the lines above were "bomb threats." Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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[Noise] RE: Husband/Wife jailed for saying Clinton Sucks
by jbugden＠smtplink.alis.ca 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

jim bell <jimbell(a)pacifier.com> wrote: >The Net public is getting less and less tolerant of obvious bias on the part >of those who report the news. The Times has some potential >(undisplayed) bias that we need to be on the lookout for, but the Post is >actively engaging in bias in its news stories, NOW. My God! Could Chomsky be right after all? James A favorite story on Bosnia was an interview I saw with Noam Chomsky and Canadian Major General Lewis Mackenzie who had led the Canadian forces in Bosnia. The interviewer asked Chomsky some question about the real goals of the West in this crisis and he gave some biting response about them having no motivation to resolve the conflict but simply appear to be acting while continuing to follow various policies that were cynical, amoral and contradictory to their stated public goals. Lewis Mackenzie is then asked to rebut this view but instead he agrees with Chomsky's analysis and goes on to give specific examples that he faced first hand. More Canadiana: The man who recently snuck into the Canadian Prime Minister's residence and tried to assassinate him was released from jail last week after serving three months. Fortunately, he did not call him names.

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RC4 RC2 & MD5???
by Jeff Davis 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I assume then that the Netscape encryption is Symetric Key, so how do RC4 RC2 and MD5 compare and contast? TIA -- According to John Perry Barlow: *What is EFF?* "Jeff Davis is a truly gifted trouble-maker." *email <info(a)eff.org>* *** O U T L A W S On The E L E C T R O N I C F R O N T I E R **** US Out Of Cyberspace!!! Join EFF Today! *email <membership(a)eff.org>*

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