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U.S. presidential debate: URLs, V-Chip, huge databases
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 20:53:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Declan McCullagh <declan(a)well.com> To: fight-censorship(a)vorlon.mit.edu Subject: U.S. presidential debate: URLs, V-Chip, huge databases Tonight's U.S. presidential debate highlighted no embarrassing missteps by either participant. Like the 1992 debate in Richmond, Virginia, it spotlighted the issues. It was classy, not memorable. Except for one sentence that will go down in Net.history -- Bob Dole ended the 90-minute session with what he framed as an appeal to younger voters: "If you really want to get involved, tap into my home page at www.dolekemp96.org. Thank you." Ain't it hip to be a netizen? I didn't hear any other Net-references or mentions of encryption, terrorism legislation, or the CDA during the debate, except for Clinton's continued support of the V-Chip and universal service for schools. He said, "Let's make education our priority... so that every 12-year old can log onto the Internet," adding later that he wanted to wire "all of our classrooms to the Internet by the year 2000." Not one to let an opportunity to preach censorship pass him by, Clinton added: "I supported the V-Chip so parents can control what their kids see... along with rating systems for TV programs." What? Parents can't control their kids, so government must? (I fear what the CDA Round II may bring next summer after the Supreme Court rules, especially if the second try has Congressional backing and support from a Clinton White House. We may see a law demanding "voluntary" ratings of web sites with RSACi in exchange for immunity from prosecution.) Dole called the use of illegal drugs a heinous crime, accusing Clinton of being a "liberal." Then, responding to a get-tough-on-guns challenge from his opponent, Dole suggested a database system that would check your identity and background before allowing you to buy a gun: "You put your card in there and if it says 'tilt' you get nothing. No guns. Zippo." These are hardly the words of someone who gives a rat's ass about privacy. What's worse, elephantine government databases or V-chip style censorship? All I know is that neither of 'em has my vote. -Declan

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RE: Dole web site cracked?
by Alex Filacchione 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- From: Skeeve Stevens[SMTP:skeeve@skeeve.net] Sent: Monday, October 07, 1996 1:10 PM To: campbell(a)c2.net Cc: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Subject: Re: Dole web site cracked? You, Rick Campbell, shaped the electrons to say: + +So, I just finished watching the debate and at the very end, Bob Dole +suggested that people check out www.dole-kemp.org. I was already on +playing decision96.digital.com so I went for it. + +The first page says ``Oops! You've tried to access the old +way. Please choose the new way instead.'' Clicking on `new' gives a +black background page with two yellow arrows, one left and one right. +The left one gives you ``Nope, you can't go back now''. The Right one +gives you www.cg96.org, the Clinton-Gore home page. Yeah.... definatly hacked... not much point in mirroring this one. hmm it goes to www.dole-kemp.com which then sends it to cg96.org...... hmmmm the INTERNIC entry for dole-kemp.com looks find... and its a redirect, so they prolly hacked both sites... not sure... anyone else have any ideas? My understanding is that everyone has been fooled. The addresses www.dole-kemp.com and www.dole-kemp.org seem to be spoofed sites. The REAL sites are www.dolekemp96.org and www.dole96.org. These sites have not been touched. Hmm, and I thought that internic was supposed to be watching this stuff (domain names). I wonder if mcdonalds.org is still available... Alex F alexf(a)iss.net

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RE: DESCrack keyspace partitioning
by geeman＠best.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

: Re: DESCrack keyspace partitioning of course, any number in the range of a random number generator is theoretically as likely/unlikely to appear. however, consider the case in which DES keys are generated from ascii sequences or words that people enter in at password prompts, which is in fact how the unix passwd file word. these obviously have far less randomness and Gary's attempt to narrow the keyspace is highly relevant. >> Gary? also, I took his post as suggesting that some parts of the keyspace ought to be searched at higher priority than others. in the above example, keys that correspond to ascii sequences typable on a keyboard should be searched first in the keyspace. >> Something like that. a lot of systems use DES only in conjuction with a one-time-key generated for a particular message. (similar to the way PGP uses IDEA for the session key, and transmits this encoded key using RSA). in general I would say these could be considered random in a way that the previous "less-than-random" property doesn't hold. >> Depends. Not if generated by certain processes that **tend** to produce non-entropic values. But I have more work to do on this....

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Re: PGP
by travel23＠juno.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> From: nobody(a)cypherpunks.ca (John Anonymous MacDonald) > > There's a rumor that Timmy C. May sells his dead relatives as fertiliser as > they constitute the best shit in California ^^^^^^^^^ Hmmm, methinks there lies a clue here. This is the British/European way of spelling the word. Someone got sloppy....... T.T. ................................................................................. Just consider me an acorn who is trying to deal with the rest of the nuts .................................................................................

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Re: The Great Reducer: Line of the Year
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:02 AM 10/7/96 -0400, Brian Davis wrote: >> > I'm >> > well aware that the SC disagrees, but that is simply because they are >> > entirely wrong in this matter. > > >Well then, it is a good thing we have Mr. Bell here to set us all straight! > >EBD The Supremes frequently err (Hugo Black's decision in Korematsu vs U.S. par example). In a larger sense, the existance of an entity like the Supreme Court will probably become generally recognized as "wrong" as we transition to non coercive methods of social organization. Slavery and bleeding were once considered natural and appropriate. DCF

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Re: U.S. presidential debate: URLs, V-Chip, huge databases
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Except for one sentence that will go down in Net.history -- Bob Dole >ended the 90-minute session with what he framed as an appeal to >younger voters: "If you really want to get involved, tap into my home >page at www.dolekemp96.org. Thank you." It's an amazing web site. The first thing that it wants you to do is fill out a Custom Design Form Information on the following form will allow us to customize your personal Dole for President web site. Imagine - a web site for a candidate so spineless he wants to tell you what _you_ believe in, not what he believes in! Dole is one of the few Republicans out there who make Clinton look like he's got principles. Bush would always sneer while he was lying to the public, but at least the man _was_ up to something. Something evil, but _something_. And when Nixon lied to you, it was ok to laugh. (Well, in most circles. And even his die-hard supporters generally understood....) >Ain't it hip to be a netizen? > .... Clinton ... V-Chip ... Dole ... nationalized ID card database >Dole called the use of illegal drugs a heinous crime, accusing Clinton >of being a "liberal." Bwah-hah-hah! <insert much cynical laughter here> Liberal. Yeah, right. I've known liberals, and he's not one. Even the hacked Dole/Kemp web page had the right-wing arrow pointing to the ClintonGore page, and the left-wing arrow pointing to the "You can't go back again" page :-) >Then, responding to a get-tough-on-guns >challenge from his opponent, Dole suggested a database system that >would check your identity and background before allowing you to buy a >gun: "You put your card in there and if it says 'tilt' you get >nothing. No guns. Zippo." Card? What card? Thank you very much! >These are hardly the words of someone who gives a rat's ass about privacy. Declan McCullagh, you have been fined two credits for violation of the verbal morality law. >What's worse, elephantine government databases or V-chip >style censorship? All I know is that neither of 'em has my vote. Isn't it nice to have options! If I weren't voting Libertarian, there's Perot and Ralph Nader (both of whom are _interesting_ statists), or Pat Paulsen (I don't care that he lost the primary), or Barry Goldwater (:-). Or there's Hugh Romney (aka Wavy Gravy, who runs the Nobody for President campaign), or Frank Zappa (who'd make a better president, dead, than most of the major candidates would alive.) Or you can take a decentralist approach - vote for someone you trust. Yourself. Your spouse. One of your neighbors. Your mom. Just spell their name right. (I've met Harry Browne, but he's always been in public-figure mode. I guess he'll do. Jo Jorgensen, the VP candidate, is actually a real person, as is Nancy Lord, previous VP candidate.) # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk Imagine if three million people voted for somebody they _knew_, and the politicians had to count them all.

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Re: Dole web site cracked?
by Murray Hayes 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Sun, 06 Oct 1996 23:42:01 -0400, Rick Campbell wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >So, I just finished watching the debate and at the very end, Bob Dole >suggested that people check out www.dole-kemp.org. I was already on >playing decision96.digital.com so I went for it. > >The first page says ``Oops! You've tried to access the old >way. Please choose the new way instead.'' Clicking on `new' gives a >black background page with two yellow arrows, one left and one right. >The left one gives you ``Nope, you can't go back now''. The Right one >gives you www.cg96.org, the Clinton-Gore home page. > Dole did not say www.dole-kemp.org he said www.dolekemp96.org. The clinton gore page is on a com site. mhayes mhayes(a)infomatch.com http://www.infomatch.com/~mhayes

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Re: PGP [2d try]
by travel23＠juno.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Apologies but the word-wrapping was different than the appearance it had as I typed my previous message. It should have read: >...as fertiliser as .... ^^^^^^^^^ "Fertiliser" was, of course, the word to which I was referring when I stated that this was the British/European spelling. I found it to be an interesting clue regarding the author's identity - FWIW..... T.T. ................................................................................. Just consider me an acorn who is trying to deal with the rest of the nuts .................................................................................

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Technically Recoverable Encryption Functions
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

David Sternlight's netnews posting, which Dmitri forwarded to cypherpunks, was about the 2nd Ave. Deli, but it does apply quite well to crypto, and the current government attacks. >>Congregant: "What does "kosher style" mean? >>Rabbi: "Tref". What does "Recoverable-Key Encryption" mean? "Unsecure" # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk Imagine if three million people voted for somebody they _knew_, and the politicians had to count them all.

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Re: Dole web site cracked?
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Long ago, someone registered dole96.org and has been running a satirical site for some time. The Dole campaign registered dole96.com and dolekemp96.org, and dolekemp96.com (and maybe more). It is hard to get all of the variations of a domain name registered. DCF

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