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EFF Board, again
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim O'Reilly's been talking publicly about starting a "Sierra Club" which would "protect" the "environment of the Net". What does he want to do? It might be a way to tell companies what kind of software they can publish and at what price. ORA has been having trouble competing with Microsoft. Naturally, they cast themselves as altruistic good guys. Whatever O'Reilly is talking about, it sounds like more trouble from the general vicinity of the EFF Board.

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Sarcasm for Jody. [WAS: Top Ten Corporate Security Needs?]
by attila＠primenet.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In <199611151336.IAA00800(a)clipper.hq.tis.com>, on 11/15/96 at 08:35 AM, Jody C Patilla <jcp(a)tis.com> said: :> "The Top Ten Corporate Security Needs of MIS" :> :Since Mark Riggins wants free assistance in doing his marketing research, :I can certainly oblige, but I would have to say that my clients tell me :there are only three things they want: :1. Total security. :2. Totally transparent access from everywhere. :3. And all of it for free. :and there you have it, sports fans! :- jcp ...truer words were never spoken; and, when there is a problem, the man will call up and say "It dont work!..." to which you ask: "OK, _what_ does not work?..." and this sequence is repeated again and again -ad nauseum-- "..._IT_ dont work! I keep telling you!" The call escalates all the way to your head freak, who has never suffered fools well... (and should never be permitteed to talk to a real customer, much less a prospective customer)... The probably simple problem (Maybe ...it was unplugged?) is resolved by the guru asking the client: "...why in the fuck would you do something as 'stupid and ignorant' as _that_?!?). Of course, the resolution is a lost customer.... "Minor problem,.." says the guru: "he's a jerk, we dont need him...." And, redder than a russian beet, cradling the talking instrument with plastic shattering impact, our beloved peter-principle corporate honcho screams at his staff: "...I told you stupid nerds you should have gone with Bill Gates --someone smart!" -attila -- Cyberspace and Information are Freedom! FUCK your WIPO, too. -attila

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Cypherpunk chat server
by Raph Levien 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Cypherpunks, This is to announce the general opening of the cypherpunk Web chat server. It is at: http://kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu:5080/ For added privacy, there is an SSL version at: https://kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu:4433/ I wrote this server to experiment with asynchronous stream transformation programming techniques, and for fun. I hope it is of some benefit to the cypherpunks community. Enjoy! Raph

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HP announcing some International Cryptography stuff on Monday
by John Gilmore 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Are they the next Big Company to knuckle under to the Feds? Their pcmcia-with-local-country-surveillance-chip-socket initiative never seemed to go anywhere. PALO ALTO, Calif.(BUSINESS WIRE)Nov. 15, 1996 Hewlett-Packard Company today announced that Lewis E. Platt, HP chairman, president and chief executive officer, will host a press and analyst event on Monday, Nov. 18, that will showcase the fact that a significant barrier to conducting secured business transactions and communications over the Internet has been cleared. Expected to join Platt at the International Cryptography Framework announcement are Brad Silverberg, senior vice president of Microsoft(R)'s Internet Platform and Tools Division, and Ron Smith, senior vice president and general manager of Intel's Semiconductor Products Group. The event will be held at 9:30 a.m. (registration at 9:00 a.m.) in the White and Murrow Rooms of the National Press Club, 529 14th Street N.W., Washington. Members of the press and analysts should contact HP's Lisa Arruiza-DeLeon at 408/447-5331 to register for an event that will showcase an approach to solving the data security and integrity issues that have impaired and frightened users and companies from exploiting the full power of the Internet.

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RE: [REBUTTAL] Censorship on cypherpunks?, from The Netly News
by James A. Tunnicliffe 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Aga wrote: > > >Why? Are you a criminal? > > >What are you hiding behind your PGP? > > > > Okay, I'll bite. Where is it said that a person who wants h[is,er] > > privacy > > is a criminal? Charlie McCarthy might have said that. [...deletia...] > The more you PGP, the worse you look. Nobody reads your e-mail, > so stop being so paranoid. > > -aga Sigh. I really don't have time for unimaginative trollers, and you've caught your limit, so into the killfile you go. Still, I would appreciate it if you could see your way clear to quit posting these trolls on cypherpunks, since it does make it harder to effectively filter the responses from people who make the mistake of taking you seriously. Thank you for your kind consideration, Tunny ====================================================================== James A. Tunnicliffe | WWWeb: http://www.inference.com/~tunny Inference Corporation | PGP Fingerprint: CA 23 E2 F3 AC 2D 0C 77 tunny(a)Inference.com | 36 07 D9 33 3D 32 53 9C ====================================================================== begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT M>)\^(AH4`0:0" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$(@ <` M& ```$E032Y-:6-R;W-O9G0@36%I;"Y.;W1E`#$(`06 `P`.````S <+``\` M# `/`!<`!0`D`0$@@ ,`#@```,P'"P`/``P`#P`8``4`)0$!"8 !`"$````Q M.45"-#DQ148T,T1$,#$Q.3,P0S P04$P,$$U1C8P1 `B!P$-@ 0``@````(` M`@`!!( !`$ ```!213H@6U)%0E545$%,72!#96YS;W)S:&EP(&]N(&-Y<&AE M<G!U;FMS/RP@9G)O;2!4:&4@3F5T;'D@3F5W<R `K!4!`Y &`/0&```:```` M`P`F```````#`#8``````!X`< `!````/ ```%M214)55%1!3%T@0V5N<V]R M<VAI<"!O;B!C>7!H97)P=6YK<S\L(&9R;VT@5&AE($YE=&QY($YE=W,@``(! M<0`!````&P````&[TRS")QY)ZGT]]!'0DPP`J@"E]@T``&Y*9P`#`"X````` M``,`!A"T5Q>Q`P`'$$<#```>``@0`0```&4```!!1T%74D]413I72%D_05)% M64]504-224U)3D%,/U=(051!4D593U5(241)3D="14A)3D193U524$=0/T]+ M05DL24Q,0DE415=(15)%25-)5%-!24142$%405!%4E-/3E=(3U=!``````,` M$! ``````P`1$ `````"`0D0`0```+\#``"[`P``(@8``$Q:1G6BU5!"_P`* M`0\"%0*D`^0%ZP*#`% 3`U0"`&-H"L!S973N,@8`!L,"@S(#Q@<3`H,&,P1& M`@!P<G$Q()<(50>R`H,T$P]F-0/%0Q2S$B)S=&5M`H!]%PJ ",\)V3L9GS(U M-0\"@ J!#;$+8&YG,3 ^,Q0@"PH4(0OQ$W!G8:P@=P-@&' Z"H4^'T(@5VAY M/R 3<64@VGD(8" >8 4!;0N !T Z/Q[L805 "L @)&AI0F0+@&<@8F4BP&[& M9" R!<!01U A*A[I`$]K87DL($DGTFP#(&)I&' N'^ ?H-\$D" @! `G``5 M<PMP(X#2="(#(' $D',"(!YP+&AO'G `<'0$(&A;-00`+ 2071[I%-!I=KT` MT'D>Z2<1((D?X$,1P69L") %T&-#"L GP'FR("#09V@%0!' =B @S2=W+@J% M"H5;+B_@#;"^;!(`!S OX2FV'N=4)L!_+9 %L" D(_$ET"? ("!W3P6P$? @ M,QDP;VLF@4Z:;P;@9"V &:!A9 0(a)V2.C92T`P ,0+![G*&#Q)V!T;W C(2+R M-E$*L2T`<&\BT"[F/A[G+6';'E N_%,ML2: 2322)A!U+8!D`B G+>4P4 > M(-L"$ 7 =0,``,!G(.$P4+\[D@-@)A H0270`'!D"H7%($$G+B%C874MPB.C M^RS0(-!T)= V40N -I RTS)K`Q!L9@,0("1G;WTF@%,P4"80)=$*A3,@=?)L M(X!A<!30!9 ',!AP_R<R!I @,P6@0O(1\" C0K&?); @D# P"L% 87%U)E#Y M"H5P;QA@(O(RX3-1/3-7!" H<2K <";!<#Q0:_,]H0"0;F-#PSL0!Y$`P/YK M0\,1P02!"H5 80W!!9!_/.(ZX4$1&'!%\3'1&:!S_T;P`( 'D0-2*"$VH$$Q M***_2B,RX0J%(- 88$HR;T0@OT_1(O(@0A'P!1 (8',ZX/<N[3' `'!K(#,\ M$B.C4''_(X %H "!!($\T0(@-;92%O4\4&XJUCU6CU>?6*]9OZ(]"H4@2F$' M@D$F@#U5PFE%L :02\ ?X"!\8R:@7/!E8CHBL ) <- Z+R]W7= N"X!+P L9 MH$EA+@6@;2]^=/]5V27@7B85$4C !;!4@URR^2/Q($8B\4BQ!1 ",%U @2QQ M02 R,R!%$B 21F+004-BL$0@,-EC8#<W6N9?`T!?UUZB3URA7,%F#Q_@,S9C MH#=8($0Y9S!BT#-CD#/E$B U8M Y0U8?:;]JSR]KWUI>+OP8P0!O$ ! `#D` M0&7"NS'3NP$#`/$_"00```(!1P`!````,0```&,]55,[83T@.W ]26YF97)E M;F-E.VP]3$%.1%)5+3DV,3$Q-3(P,34R,UHM-30Q.0`````"`?D_`0```$H` M````````W*= R,!"$!JTN0@`*R_A@@$`````````+T\]24Y&15)%3D-%+T]5 M/4Y/5D%43R]#3CU214-)4$E%3E13+T-./5153DY9````'@#X/P$````5```` M2F%M97,@02X@5'5N;FEC;&EF9F4``````@'[/P$```!*`````````-RG0,C M0A :M+D(`"LOX8(!`````````"]//4E.1D5214Y#12]/53U.3U9!5$\O0TX] M4D5#25!)14Y44R]#3CU454Y.60```!X`^C\!````%0```$IA;65S($$N(%1U M;FYI8VQI9F9E`````$ `!S 0RY$3,=.[`4 `"#!P10V\,=.[`0,`#33]/P`` M`@$4- $````0````5)2AP"E_$!NEAP(a)`*RHE%QX`/0`!````!0```%)%.B ` M````"P`I```````+`",```````(!?P`!````4 ```#QC/553)6$]7R5P/4EN M9F5R96YC925L/4Q!3D1252TY-C$Q,34R,#$U,C-:+34T,3E ;&%N9')U+FYO 7=F%T;RYI;F9E<F5N8V4R+F-O;3X``P(R ` end

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Re: [REBUTTAL] Censorship on cypherpunks?, from The Netly News
by Dave Hayes 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Mike McNally writes: > Dave Hayes wrote: > > Symbolically, he punched holes in his ideology. That's my > > opinion. > Note that this is only true if John's ideology in the first place > was what you think it was. Excellent point. In point of fact, even if John Gilmore explained his ideology to me, I would *still* only have an ideology that was what I thought it was. There is no chance that I can get John Gilmore's exact ideology in my mind since our minds work differently. > He may have "punched holes" in the conception of John's ideology > that you'd formed in your own mind, of course. Yes, that is the case. Of course, my conception of "free speech" is unique. I see no difference between a government, a group of network administrators, or a panel of judges when it comes to censorship. ------ Dave Hayes - Altadena CA, USA - dave(a)jetcafe.org Freedom Knight of Usenet - http://www.jetcafe.org/~dave/usenet The King decided to force his subjects to tell the truth. Nasrudin was first in line. They asked him, "Where are you going? Tell the truth or be hanged" "I am going," said Nasrudin, "to be hanged on that gallows." "I don't believe you." "Very well, if I have told a lie, then hang me!" "But that would make it the truth!" "Exactly," said Nasrudin, "your truth."

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A New Crypto Announcement--Could be Ominous
by Timothy C. May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

(My traffic from the Cypherpunks list comes in bursts interspersed by long gaps, so I don't know if this has been reported. It seems significant to me.) A few excerpts: H-P ( Hewlett-Packard Co ) says RSA Data ( Security Dynamics Technologies Inc ) in codes deal PALO ALTO, Calif., Nov 15 (Reuter) - Hewlett-Packard Co. said Security Dynamics Technologies Inc's RSA Data Security Inc electronic encryption company is involved in its planned announcement Monday of new advance in encryption technology. Hewlett-Packard said technology the company's Chairman and Chief Executive Lewis Platt is due to detail at the National Press Club on Monday aims to resolve this roadblock in the use of electronic commerce over the Internet. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^[emphasis added by Tim] Hewlett-Packard officials declined to give precise details, but said the technology has already received backing from the U.S. government and other ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ governments which it did not name, as well as major industry players. Senior executives of Microsoft Corp and Intel Corp are among those scheduled to make presentations on Monday, Hewlett-Packard said, but it declined to identify other companies whose technologies will be involved. ----end of item--- It sounds ominous to me. Another backroom deal, probably for some form of key recovery strategy, aka GAK. --Tim May, awaiting Monday's announcement with trepidation "The government announcement is disastrous," said Jim Bidzos,.."We warned IBM that the National Security Agency would try to twist their technology." [NYT, 1996-10-02] We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, I know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1,257,787-1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: It is getting easier
by frantz＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:25 PM 11/14/96 -0800, Lucky Green wrote: >If I remember correctly, some of the newer transponders used on >commercial aircraft actually transmit GPS data back to the controller in >real time. I wonder how long it will be before the FAA will include such >information in their database. I don't think new transponders make much difference. The old ones heighten the radar image of the airplane which gives an accurate 2D position. This position is automatically entered into the FAA computer which maintains the ATC controller's display. In the old style, altitude is determined by an altimeter on the airplane which encoded into the transponder signal. If newer transponders are returning GPS signals, the position may be more accurate (but probably not unless they can decode the selective availability signal). (OBCrypto for those who care.) >"To obtain the position of any passenger flight in the US within 10 >meters, click here." In either case, the Passenger Name Records for the flight are in the airlines databases (and have been there for many years), and the airplane's physical position is in the FAA's computer (and has been for many years). The ability to find the current position of an airplane, or a passenger remains dependent on the incentives and disincentives for database linking and application development. There are no insurmountable technical problems. The technical problems are those of getting old-technology software to do something new. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | The lottery is a tax on | Periwinkle -- Consulting (408)356-8506 | those who can't do math. | 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)netcom.com | - Who 1st said this? | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

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Re: [REBUTTAL] Censorship on cypherpunks?, from The Netly News
by frantz＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

aga <aga(a)dhp.com> wrote: >Let's stay on topic here -- John Gilmore is a censorous asshole >for pulling Vulis's plug. The topic has nothing to do with >the Freedom-Knights. At 12:19 AM 11/15/96 -0600, snow wrote: >> [This is a rebuttal to a misguided news article.] >> > Cypher-Censored >> > By Declan McCullagh (declan(a)well.com) >> > The list is on Gilmore's machine and he can do what he wants with >> > it; he can moderate the postings, he can censor material, he can >> > shut the whole thing down. By kicking off an offending user, a >> > list owner merely exercises his property right. There's no >> > government involvement, so the First Amendment doesn't apply. And >> > the deleted, disgruntled user is free to start his own mailing >> > list with different rules. >> >> Notice how, once the opposition is admitted to, the rationalization >> begins. Suddenly this is not a matter of censorship, but of ownership. >> Just as suddenly, the classic anti-free-speech arguments of "if you >> don't like it, start yer own" begin to surface. (Anyone ever notice >> how this resembles the "love it or leave it" mentality of certain >> American patriotic organizations?) > > It still isn't censorship. Censorship, at least in my dictionary, >refers to censor, which uses the word "Official" several times. Mr. >Gilmore is not an "Official" in a government sense, he maybe in the EFF >sense, but this is not an "Official" EFF organ, so that doesn't count. Even more important is the fact that Mr. Gilmore did not prevent Mr. Vulis from speaking. No restraint on speech implies no censorship. Therefor Mr. Vulis was not censored. Q.E.D. You all are perfectly free to like or not like what Mr. Gilmore did. However, don't call it censorship because it wasn't. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | The lottery is a tax on | Periwinkle -- Consulting (408)356-8506 | those who can't do math. | 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)netcom.com | - Who 1st said this? | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

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Re: Why is cryptoanarchy irreversible?
by frantz＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 1:44 PM 11/13/96 +0000, Adam Back wrote: >A very good idea. There was some discussion of this kind of thing a >while back about doing this for Singapore. The suggestion at the time >was not to do it perfectly, but rather to arrange something simple to >allow people to circumvent the censorship enforced through their >compulsory use of a government censored web proxy. I hope it is ready. To quote from William Safire's 11/14/96 NYT column: "Let's run a test. "Information Technology and Political Control in Singapore" is a paper just issued by Prof. Gary Rodan of Murdoch University in Perth, Australia, distribued by Chalmers Johnson of the Japan Policy Research Institute in Cardiff, Calif. It's on this web site: http://www.nmjc.ord/jpri/. "If Lee blocks access, Singaporeans, try E-mail: cjohnson(a)ucsd.edu. But be careful, global business executives: the Architect of the New Century [Lee Kuan Yew - wsf] may be monitoring everything you download." ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | The lottery is a tax on | Periwinkle -- Consulting (408)356-8506 | those who can't do math. | 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)netcom.com | - Who 1st said this? | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

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