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Re: Sorry for the "TWIT" messages
by nobody＠cypherpunks.ca 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Don't worry about it. You don't have to send anyone any more messages to confirm your twit-ness. diGriz > >Hi, > >Well seems I had a rather intresting morining. :) After receiving several "Phreak messages >I went to modify my "twit" scripts. Unfortunatly the changes I made caused ~50 "twit" >messages to go out. My appologies to anyone who received these messages. > >Thanks, > >-- >----------------------------------------------------------- >William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii >Geiger Consulting WebExplorer & Java Enhanced!!!

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RE: new mailing list & ITAR
by Mullen Patrick 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

==========> _______________________________________________________________________________ From: Michael C Taylor (CSD) on Wed, Dec 4, 1996 13:54 On Tue, 3 Dec 1996, Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote: > Meta-question: if someone posts strong crypto source code to the > moderated mailing list, can the moderator(s) be prosecuted under ITAR? The moderator would not prosecuted if the moderator & host machine wasn't located in USA and not a USA citizen and if the post was not from USA. The poster may be a target if located inside USA or a USA citizen. The moderator might be prosecuted if the post originated inside USA or went through USA to be exported outside USA & Canada. Welcome to the rest of the world. ---- Michael C. Taylor <mctaylor(a)mta.ca> Programmer, Mount Allison University <========== Wouldn't this be the case only if it was a *moderated* list? If it's moderated, the list operator becomes a _publisher_ and is responsible for it's content. If it's *unmoderated*, the list operator is a _distributor_ and therefore not responsible for the content his medium provides. Just like how a bookstore isn't responsible for the contents of the books; the publishers/authors are. (Well, public opinion may drive a store out of town, just like public opinion may kill a listserv...) My apologies if I'm behind in the times and this decision no longer stands. PM #include <standard_disclaimer> Spyjure(a)comports.com http://www.netforward.com/comports/?Spyjure Crypto-Anarchy-Security esp. WRT Linux <It's getting there, anyway... Work's been taking up too much time to update the site as often as I wish>

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RE: The Good dr. Dobbs
by pclow 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Sorry Dr Boz, but all I saw on the page was this : "404 Not Found The requested URL /whitepaper.htm was not found on this server. " I would like to point out that our white paper with technical details can be found on our Web-site: www.dsnt.com/whitepaper.htm -- Dr. Eva Bozoki Chief Scientist DSN Technology, Inc. (516)467-0400

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Mounties charge dealer over sales of U.S. Dishes
by nobody＠cypherpunks.ca 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

By Robert Brehl - Toronto Star Business Reporter Canada's satellite wars have heated up with the first dealers of the U.S. DirecTV dishes being arrested and charged under the federal Radiocommunication Act. ``Iraq doesn't allow its citizens to have satellite dishes either,'' said Stan LeBlanc, a dealer in Yarmouth, N.S., who was charged. ``Never thought I'd see the day when 12 or 15 Mounties would storm into my building because I'm selling things the public wants.'' LeBlanc was charged this week after Royal Canadian Mounted Police raided his electronics store Nov. 13 and seized 83 access cards for DirecTV set-top boxes, some computers, cash and two satellite dishes. The Mounties have raided dozens of satellite dealers from coast-to-coast, except in Ontario, since June. Now formally charged are LeBlanc; his father, Ray Sr.; and David Lloyd Williams. LeBlanc said the access cards were not the so-called pirate cards that allow viewers to watch DirecTV programming for free. The cards seized require customers to have U.S. addresses for DirecTV bills, he said. The dealers have been charged with possessing and selling equipment that decodes encrypted satellite signals. LeBlanc said he has seven competitors in Yarmouth that also sell U.S. satellite dishes, and none was charged. ``When they raided me, they even parked in one of my competitor's parking lots under a sign advertising the 18-inch dishes,'' LeBlanc said. Last month, Industry Minister John Manley issued a warning to satellite dealers and TV viewers that selling or using U.S. dishes could be illegal. Canada is estimated to have more than 200,000 U.S. dishes. Three Canadian firms have been licensed to offer direct-to-home satellite service, but none has yet launched. RCMP officials in Nova Scotia could not be reached last night.

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No Subject
by nobody＠cypherpunks.ca 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Thu, 21 Nov 1996, aga <aga(a)dhp.com> wrote: From: aga <aga(a)dhp.com> To: Rabid Wombat <wombat(a)mcfeely.bsfs.org> cc: FREEDOM-KNIGHTS(a)JETCAFE.ORG, Black Unicorn <unicorn(a)schloss.li>, cypherpunks(a)toad.com Subject: Re: Does John Gilmore EAT Asshole? |FUCK YOU COCKSUCKER -- as long as you keep writing to be, |I will continue to rip a new asshole in the Faggot John Gilmore |who promotes PUNKs like you. [snip] |A 'punk' is a faggot pussy who is really NOT a man! |The faggot Gilmore does take it up the ass and also eat assholes, so |he should be added to the net.scum list at once. I should'a kill-filed this sicko long ago. Like the raving individuals one passes on the sidewalk, he is best ignored. Leave him for professional care. >From whence does such trash arise? Oh me!!

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Re: Why I Don't Read SF Much Anymore
by Ken Kirksey 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>The problem with straight SF for me is that computers and networks have >changed the future so much that (in the words of the motto of the SF >Writer's Association) The Future Ain't What It Used to Be. The science >fictional futures of my childhood are now dead as doornails. I still enjoy some of the "old stuff", but not in the same way that I did when I was younger. I read those works as period pieces now. There is a certain romance in the Gersnbackian view of the future that I enjoy, especially in contrast to the Grim and Gritty (TM) "reality" of most modern and post-modern SF. I still find Heinlein's juveniles to be fun reads, probably for this reason. Ditto for Edgar Rice Burroughs's Mars books. >And I can't >enjoy contemporary SF that doesn't include a healthy dose of computers and >networking. Computers and networking may not be central to the story the author is trying to tell. And with the way things are going, computers and networking will become (some would say already have become) such an integral part of the culture that they don't warrant special attention. Kinda like airplanes, automobiles, television, radio, microwave ovens, cellular phones, ad infinitum. Computer Networks were a new and nove idea when _Shockwave Rider_ was written, but now with every car and cereal commercial on TV promoting a web site as well, it's not all that exciting anymore. As far as keeping up with current SF, I, like others, don't seem to make as much time to read as I used to. I rely on Gardner Dozios' annual _Year's Best Science Fiction_ anthology to keep me up to date and introduce me to new writers. I've always enjoyed the stories he's chosen, some more than others, and he's introduced me to some great writers that I probably wouldn't have heard about otherwise: Greg Egan, Connie Willis, and Terry Bisson, to name a few. Judging from your comments, I think you'd like Greg Egan, especially his novel _Permutation City_. Ken

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ROB_not
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

11-21-96. NYP: "Treasury Report Will Oppose Federal Taxes on Internet Sales" Issues of key escrow, digital cash, anonymous transactions, and identifying where in the world transactions occur. Feds claim they differ from greedy states who want to rob the Net golden goose. The report will be posted to www.ustreas.gov for comment. (Not there yet at 10:30 EST.) ----- http://jya.com/robnot.txt ROB_not

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Re: Anderson & Kuhn's "Improved DFA" paper
by Matthew J. Miszewski 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> It's also an opportunity for some well-timed press releases. > Clipper 1's reputation was severely damaged by Matt's attack. > Anybody know if HP's giving out samples, and if there are real or test > GAK plugins for them? I agree. There are many people on the list with contacts with the media (or ARE the media :). There was a time that I would suggest posting all of our media lists to cypherpunks but, unfortunately, I fear that would no longer be productive. So... I suggest everyone fire up their fax modems and send out to all of the contacts we each have personally. Even local papers can be important in this action. Make sure your local ISPs understand the issues (and maybe even release it in a newsletter or daily email. > > HP URL http://www.dmo.hp.com/gsy/security/icf/main.html > > The paper was posted to coderpunks, and it's on > ftp://ftp.cl.cam.ac.uk/users/rja14/dfa > Here's the intro: > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Improved Differential Fault Analysis > > Ross J Anderson, Markus G Kuhn > (Intro snipped) Matt

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Cryptography in France
by Thomas Hennes 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This is my first post to the cypherpunks mailing list. I've been monitoring it for a little while now, and I would like to initiate a thread on the sorry state of public crypto in France, and would much much appreciate feedback, comments and thoughts on the following. It is no secret that public crypto here in France is a fucking joke. For those of you who aren't up-to-date with French gov't policy on the subject, let me state the simple: Public use of crypto (and esp. STRONG crypto) is *outlawed* in France. This mere fact gives us (the French) the dubious achievement of being rated along with the likes of China, Iran, Iraq and former USSR, to name a few. Now remember, this comes from a country that labels itself as the "Home country of the Human Rights", yet denies its citizen access to the technical means of ensuring REAL privacy. A much-needed privacy, considering the phone-tapping scandal that rocked France two or three years back (then-prez Miterrand himself had ordered that a whole bunch of people --novelists, journalists, politicians, artists and various other intellectuals-- have their phone tapped and their conversations recorded, without any legal permission to do so. Even an uncle of mine was placed on such a list.). I _do_ believe that a strong case --legally, economically and philosophically-- could be made for the legalization of strong public crypto in France. And I am also confident that we are moving toward a de facto use of strong crypto in everyday life. There are several legal points that could force the French gov't to give some slack on crypto regulation. The first one is, of course, the process of building Europe (I am not so naive as to believe this will be a success, but it WILL provide us with some legal power to wield). Of all nations being part of the EEC, France is the only one that enforces such restrictions on public crypto. But, and this is my point, French gov't has made a big fuss about standardization of regulation throughout EEC and its participants, and when it comes to crypto, I believe they've put their foot in their mouth!! ;-) Second legal point: arguing the moral point of freedom of guaranteed privacy. Outlawing public crypto *might* be unconstitutional, considering that the French constitutions have always been built around the anarchists revolutionaries of 1789 declaration of human rights. The gov't will counter with 'Raison d'Etat' and need for terrorist surveillance, but this is the same as saying weapon sales should be prohibited to keep thugs away from weapons. Thugs *always* manage to get weapons, and terrorists *always* manage to escape surveillance and plant bombs in our streets and metro system. Economically, the case could be made for public crypto by underlining the importance of internet economics. It is a stated and definitive fact that e-cash cannot exist without cryptographic means. Now if the general public hasn't got access to strong crypto, why would they risk dealing in e-cash??? Thus France would be left out of an immense -and as of now virgin- commercial market, which in the near future would mean commercial death. And that's not counting all the employement opportunities that would be, one can speculate, created by the flourishing of web commercial ventures. Ironically, Netscape has been granted by the French gov't an 'extraordinary' license to use cryptography in their Navigator software (even though it's the lame, 40-bit export key size). Which means that, as of now, the one and only company that WOULD technically allow French citizens to engage in electronic commerce is a foreign company... So on one hand we have the French gov't making a huge fuss about 'Cultural Exception' when the subject at hand is protecting the French TV and movie business --which nobody actually gives a damn about--, and on the other hand, the very same gov't not only regulates against strong public crypto, but when it finally gives in a little, it's to the profit of a foreign company.. Next thing you know, France is going to equip all its phones with the Clipper chip so that the NSA can listen in on, say, Airbus trade secrets.. Can you get any dumber than this? The last economically sound point relates to competition. By forbidding strong public crypto, France has seriously hampered the ability of French cryptologists to move forward technically, since they receive much less feedback than, say, their scandinavian or US counterparts. And I believe that, in the long term, strong public crypto WILL prevail --I AM optimistic (or is that naive?). So all the French gov't is doing here is denying would-be French companies to deal competitively in the crypto market, which I am sure will explode with the coming of electronic commerce. My last arguments are of the philosophical/moral/political order. Politics in France have reached an all-time low at the end of 14 years of Socialism (some may disagree on this, but this is MY belief). Corruption is now widespread, at every levels of the public administration, and at all 'rays' of the political spectrum. Politicians now have more privileges than the royalty used to have just before the revolution of 1789, when the laws and budgets were more deftly controlled by house representatives than they are nowadays. Politicians nowadays live as a microcosm, in an enclosed glasscase, protecting each other regardless of ideology or political faith. They act as superior-class citizens where they were meant to be representative of the people, the citizens that mandated them as such. So I believe that strong crypto is not only a right, but a mean that every citizen should use against the preponderance of such a privileged class, in order to make the French motto 'Liberte Egalite Fraternite' something else than an obsolete joke. I'm not an anarchist, nor am I illuminated. I'm a regular guy with a regular job. I'm simply tired of all these self-proclaimed important people that live in the fast lane with MY taxes. And crypto would be a mean for me to combat them more efficiently and to bring back some of that much-needed social equilibrium. And, the hell with it, I want GUARANTEED PRIVACY. On Monday 18 Nov. Greg Broiles wrote: >ICF is "International Cryptography Framework". > >The press release includes quotes from US and >>French<< government officials >indicating that the new system will meet their needs. Man, this spells T-R-O-U-B-L-E ... ;-) Thomas Hennes aie-rd(a)pobox.oleane.com PS: I would've loved to CC this thing to Chirac or PM Juppé, but neither of them have actual e-mails, which tells you a lot about the interest they have in net-business...

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[TARGET ACQUIRED] Cryptography in France
by nobody＠cypherpunks.ca 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 4:46 PM 11/21/1996, Thomas Hennes wrote: >I'm not an anarchist, nor am I illuminated. I'm a regular guy with a >regular job. I'm simply tired of all these self-proclaimed important >people that live in the fast lane with MY taxes. And crypto would be a >mean for me to combat them more efficiently and to bring back some of >that much-needed social equilibrium. And, the hell with it, I want >GUARANTEED PRIVACY. Here's our target! France is the perfect testing ground for a top-notch cryptoanarchist system. Lots of computers, lots of smart users, high taxes, and a police state.

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