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freedom is only relative
by Attila T. Hun 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- on 12/26/96 at 04:34 AM, Carl Johnson <toto(a)sk.sympatico.ca> said: ::Attila T. Hun wrote: ::> is MALLAMACE an abbreviated anagram for 'malicious mace?' :: Yes. Other abbreviated anagrams are: ::A :: C :: and :: F :: (I am thankful that I live in America, where I am free to use ::the above abbreviated anagrams without fear of censorship.) as to lack of fear of censorship; ask the woman in Chicago, approached by Clinton to shake her hand --she refused and said he was criminal murderer. Took 'em a week or so to get her and husband even out of jail the first time, and I think the charges are still going around in federal court. through all this: Bubba a) got obscene, and b) threw a tempter tantrum. think Hillary will protect your civil rights in her Global Village? Keep in mind, it's on record, Hillary's Bill of Rights is the same as the UN Bill of Rights, which just happens to be the same as the Bill of Rights in the current Chinese constitution: the UN's "International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights" (ICCR): Aricle 18 states that "everyone shall have the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion" but specifies that "freedom to manifest one's religions or beliefs may be subject only to such limitations as are prescribed by law and necessary..." sounds more like Bubba's attitude as expressed by Janet Reno and Jamie Gorlick. maybe the Chinese took their model from the UN? As Communist China prepares to digest Hong Kong in July, it is moving quickly to suppress dissenting voices in the media. Asian correspondent David Aikman reports that Red China's Foreign Minister, Qian Qichen, has forbidden future commemorations in Hong Kong of the 1989 Tiananmen Square massacre. When Hong Kong residents protested this decree, foreign ministry spokesman Shen Guofang sought to placate them with the following assurance: "Hong Kong people will have full freedom of expression, but all freedoms must be within the limits allowed by law." George Orwell was not late, just not recognized. == Tyranny Insurance by Colt Manufacturing Co. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: latin1 Comment: Encrypted with 2.6.3i. Requires 2.6 or later. iQCVAwUBMsKpuL04kQrCC2kFAQGAbQP9FJmqIzipPGJ+fN/MuwQLqN6ZJODOkuP/ BDC8HjZ03BwOC91f1tR5TXGEstjwpGL9dxn+SrfpNDFrQNgnJNIbKSDNQasZtUCl 8OpkmFqrH/ALOrERxcTuc9VNLlCEL+IsKjK/pRsXWAIi7VV3uIrXTzorcQX/3d8I M9WNk0rBbvA= =WT+U -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Remember Canseco.....
by YukYukYo69＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In a message dated 96-12-26 02:38:52 EST, you write: << >Raffik: > >Obviously you don't remember the days of the immaturity of Canseco. The only >reason why they traded him was becuase he was the only cancer to a clubhouse >that was overachieving and headed for the playoffs, not to mention they could >get a sutible replacment for him in the field as well as a couple more arms >for the stretch run. This is, of course, laughable. Canseco was dealt for 1.2 years of Witt, .2 years of Russell, and .2 years of Sierra. Sierra's collapse was completely predictable, and if you care to call me on that, check your local news archive. >> .2 years is called a stretch run! That's what the whole deal was done for. Yeah, maybe the trade wasn't the best ever, considering only a World Series title was going to be the mark on whether or not it was a good deal, but the bottom line is that he made the chance on the trade. Alderson regrets making the deal? Maybe so, but I was glad to see him take that chance on a team that for sure wasn't going to beat the Jays with Canseco. I'll admit, resigning Sierra was wrong. The only reason it happened is becuase it did come on the eve of the Bonds signing and Alderson felt the heat to be competitive in the Bay Area. And it doesn't sound like anything's gonna bring you back. I'm not here saying Canseco's presence is going to be an asset to the team. And I'm still trying to figure out, are you pro or anti Canseco? Gary YukYukYo69(a)aol.com

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Re: Remember Canseco.....
by Lilian Bartholo 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I only remember the days when Jose gave the A's 730 rbis in 7.5 years. Excitement and charisma at the plate and a slew of good deeds that the press never talked about. The only "cancer" in the clubhouse that I'm glad is now gone was TLR and his chosen few clan. If TLR thought Jose was so bad, then why did he call him during the offseason last year and asked him if he would play first base for him in St. Louis? Maybe he just wanted to have him around so he could use him as a distraction and as a scape-goat when things turned sour with the team. Lil

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Chek it out
by Zer0.Faith.Inc.＠website.chek.it.out 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Heights/2608 It's Kool, but still under construction.

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Re: Redlining
by Matthew J. Miszewski 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 09:32 AM 12/12/96 -0800, Dale Thorn wrote: >Matthew J. Miszewski wrote: >> >(Those who don't believe me should get "Love Supreme" by John Coltrane >> >and listen to it carefully about 20 times. There are layers and Just for the record, I didn't say this. I believe it was Red. The thread has become so convoluted that I am only sure it wasnt me. ;-) Matt -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMrLSibpijqL8wiT1AQHEoQP/f+G82ePBn6dlm7jgiaYZTalSm2xMAYEd S/wExEh86p0knbt4+fMmREQGR7PXyNJPyDknqSEkmyTh38QfwBwsuF20zEiUM4I2 gXR8e2zeuW1kB1L51PacusxSoAqR7FqIb2euwTlZ+K3GnZVpFPZmdZn03GaTGsvC yVfTehKEE2w= =QcKO -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Chek it out
by Zer0.Faith.Inc.＠website.chek.it.out 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Heights/2608 It's Kool, but still under construction.

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Re: Firewalls
by nobody＠zifi.genetics.utah.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The only `culture' Timothy May possesses is that cultivated from his foreskin scrapings. )_( [@ @] Timothy May |/ \| \O/

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Chek it out
by Zer0.Faith.Inc.＠website.chek.it.out 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Heights/2608 It's Kool, but still under construction.

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Chek it out
by Zer0.Faith.Inc.＠website.chek.it.out 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Heights/2608 It's Kool, but still under construction.

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Re: ITARs effects
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Adam Shostack wrote: >Peter D. Junger wrote: >| That has always been the position of the Department of Defense Trade >| Controls with respect to the ITAR, the only difference is that now >| it is going to be in writing. > >My understanding is that they choose not to continue >prosecuting Phil for putting the code up for FTP. Thus, this is >a change. Or did Phil not put the code up for FTP? --------- What was never certain in Phil's case, I believe, is how the code got out of the US. Whether it was deliberately sent outside the US by someone, or just made available on a US site which was accessible from outside the US. The TIA lawyer who wrote me about TR453 indicated that there has been legal dispute about whether mere placement of ITAR-regulated code on a US site, accessible from outside the US, means that the code has been exported by the person placing it there (as I did with the CAVE code on an AOL server in Virginia), or whether the export is done by an accessor who is usually not be subject to US law. The new regs intend to close that loophole, as Peter Junger states, and as the TIA lawyer also indicated, that is, to codify the illegality of putting such code on a site accessible from "outside" the US, or by a "non-US person" inside the US. Heretofore, regulation has been by jaw-boning (as the TIA lawyer jaw-boned me about copyright villation of the uncopyrighted TR453). This is the point about two definitions of geography in conflict -- physical and electronic -- and how state-oriented law is attempting to assert control of the cyber-dissolving national borders. Similar to the struggle over electronic dissolution of intellectual property. As a speaker noted in a recent Congressional crypto hearing: government- aggressive law of cyberspace aims to define a nation's borders well beyond physical territory. As similarly argued against allowing "non-US persons" to study regulated crypto in Professor Junger's class. As others have noted here, other loopholes of by electronic reality are being closed by the new regs, even if First Amendment transgression follows. But I'm not sure that the lawyers are not condemned to trail the leading edge of technology, as ever -- in crypto-munitions as in First Amendment and intellectual property betrayals, misrepresentations and rear guard actions. Reading the new crypto export regs and comparing them to earlier incarnations is instructive. Observe those insertions of bits and bytes of contortinate intellectual labor -- never quite able to get the legilation to fit all the looming permutations of technology -- unable, that is, to stitch the wounds of the stumbling, flailing superpower, unsure where the foe is located who is mortally undermining faith in the physical prowess of the keepers of the privileges. Those vaunted inside secrets of nuclear-munitioned cops don't sell so well these days when the donut-dippers cannot be sure how to distinguish insiders from outsiders, and whose really in control of the armaments keys of keys. Whole lot of shifting of alliances going on, from State to Commerce, or so I read in the quagmire regs.

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