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Re: Hardening lists against spam attacks
by Douglas Barnes 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The problem with payment schemes like this is that they're hard to rationalize (as Lucky points out here). A direct mail piece (via snail mail) can easily cost the sender more than a dollar when all costs are taken into account. This does not seem to have appreciably slowed down junk mailers IRL. Spam to a large mailing list has a multiplicative effect (although it's also easier to throw out and/or ignore.) Certainly if someone had a real product, it would be worth anywhere from $1 to $25 to post an advertisement to a sizeable mailing list. On the other hand, a blanket charge would serve as a disincentive to people who make valuable contributions, unless it were a completely negligible cost, in which case the advertisers would have no problem coughing up the money. There's a serious imbalance between how annoying spam is and how much we're willing to pay to post (most of us would like to see them charged to the point where they wouldn't do it at all.) Possibly a system of charging for non-list-members? Sort of a closed list with a way for outside posters to contribute if they really wanted to? In general it seems very difficult to balance the various aspects of maintaining a lively discussion, fostering a sense of community, allowing anonymous postings, and keeping the whole thing simple enough to actually implement. The best approach I can think of for dealing with a lot of this crap is to a) ignore outright spam, b) do not feed the energy creatures (the people on the list who thrive on conflict.) and c) instead of responding to noise, contribute to signal. I've been on the verge of responding to certain posters over the last few months, and I've realized before I've hit the "send" key that I'd be giving them just what they want -- attention -- while further degrading the signal to noise ratio. At 11:47 AM 12/31/96 -0800, you wrote: >At 10:25 AM 12/31/96 -0800, Peter Hendrickson wrote: >>The easiest and fastest solution is to set up toad.com to charge a >>dollar per message. (Proceeds to be spent by John Gilmore as he >>sees fit.) >> >>We can then leverage off the existing e-cash infrastructure which >>already provides blinding software for free on all major platforms. > >I am not sure that this proposal would work. Some of the spammers on this >list are rather dedicated. They might gladly pay a dollar per message. > > > >-- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred > Make your mark in the history of mathematics. Use the spare cycles of > your PC/PPC/UNIX box to help find a new prime. > http://www.mersenne.org/prime.htm >

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Re: Hardening lists against spam attacks
by ph＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 1:01 PM 12/31/1996, Z.B. wrote: >On Tue, 31 Dec 1996, Dale Thorn wrote: >> ...I will *not* install and run PGP. > I agree with Dale here...requiring PGP in order to post would probably > deter low-level, idiot spammers, but it would also keep those people off > the list who, for one reason or another, don't like/want/use PGP. People who don't like using PGP, or can't use it, or won't use it, do not belong on this list. > Also, what about people who post to and read the list from someplace other > than their home computer, like school or work? I have access to this account > from my college, but I'm sure not going to leave my keys lying around > my account just so I can post to a mailing list. Easy. Keep a copy of PGP there and a copy of the list public key. It's okay to leave public keys lying around. I might add that this is not "just a mailing list." It is the Cypherpunks mailing list. It's worth a little trouble. If you don't agree, find a list which is. Peter Hendrickson ph(a)netcom.com

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17 Dec '03

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Who is the first new web page of 1997?!
by factnet＠rmii.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Just another government fuckover: New crypto regulation
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 02:08 PM 12/31/96 -0800, Ross Wright wrote: >On or About 31 Dec 96 at 13:56, Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote: > >> >> "Cypher punks" write stupid racist flames and postmaster complaints, >> not code. > >Yes, and they are sad that ebonics IS NOT going to be a course taught >in school. I spoke with a source at the Oakland School District who >said they would not allow papers to be turned in written in ebonics. >It is just an effort for educators to better understand how their >students may communicate. So everyone who liked Tim May's >fake sarcasm are now sad that they made fools of themselves. I suggest you read the written resolution of the Oakland school board, rather than listen to the spin control the district was forced to use after their idiotic plan blew up in their face. The resolution finds that "ebonics is the primary language" of a majority of students in the district. The resolutions then requires teachers to "provide instructions to students in their primary language". The school board mandates in writing that at least some classes be taught in Ebonics (ghetto slang). -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred Make your mark in the history of mathematics. Use the spare cycles of your PC/PPC/UNIX box to help find a new prime. http://www.mersenne.org/prime.htm

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Re: New crypto regs outlaw financing non-US development
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 01:05 PM 12/31/96 -0800, Ian Goldberg wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >In article <3.0.32.19961228225731.006b3080(a)netcom13.netcom.com>, >Lucky Green <shamrock(a)netcom.com> wrote: >>First the good news: the export controls mentioned in the draft of the regs >>on any kind of data security software, regardless if it uses crypto or not >>did not carry into the final version. > >But it _specifically_ restricts virus-checkers (and, also, it would seem, >backup programs, but that could be stretching it): > >ECCN 5D002.c.3: ># ``Software'' designed or modified to protect against malicious ># computer damage, e.g., viruses My mistake. I overlooked this paragraph. I thought it had not made it into the final version. Virus checkers, programs like Tripwire, and all firewall products are export controlled under the new regs. Regardless if the program uses crypto or not. -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred Make your mark in the history of mathematics. Use the spare cycles of your PC/PPC/UNIX box to help find a new prime. http://www.mersenne.org/prime.htm

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Bulk Mailing Software
by Jorge Hernandez 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Who is the first new web page of 1997?!
by factnet＠rmii.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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RCMP on InfoSec
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The Mounties have put out an impressive document on comprehensive security for information technology: encryption and TEMPEST, construction standards and secure rooms, hardware and software, management and personnel: Technical Security Standard for Information Technology Royal Canadian Mounted Police August 1995 Part One (Chapters 1-4) http://jya.com/rcmp1.htm (71K, plus graphics) Part Two (Chapters 5-8) http://jya.com/rcmp2.htm (81K, plus graphics)

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by sls123＠prodigy.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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