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RE: (Fwd) Re: Mr. May's Posts. Other Things.
by Ross Wright 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On or About 30 Dec 96 at 18:03, Blanc Weber wrote: > You have to understand - Tim is from California. > If you choose to carry, you will be held to a higher standard of > behavior > than those that don't. Yes, part of that "higher standard" is to keep your fucking mouth shut about that piece in your sholder holster. Those that brag that they are packing and won't hesitate to use it are usually those that freeze under fire or snap at the workplace. A true shooter shut's the fuck up and if needs be, let's the weapon do the talking when the time is right. That mutually assured destruction shit only works for governments. In this day and age you better think EVERYONE'S packing, and if you shoot your mouth off about your little pea shooter you just make yourself a target for the first shot fired. Ross =-=-=-=-=-=- Ross Wright King Media: Bulk Sales of Software Media and Duplication Services http://www.slip.net/~cdr/kingmedia Voice: 415-206-9906

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Re: Crypto reg clarification from Commerce Department
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I believe that Kutz is speaking the truth. Keep in mind the paragraph with which you're concerned is not the meat of what's being amended. That lies in the next line, Section 736.2(b)(7)(ii), which reads: You may not, without a license from BXA, provide certain technical assistance to foreign persons with respect to encryption items, as described in Sec. 744.9 of the EAR. "Technical assistance" is still troubling, but not as much as investment would be. Assistance is aimed at training, and the regulations somewhat exempt classroom discussions. Of course, the uncertainty and the potential chilling effects are good reasons to continue with the court challenges. -Declan --- > I just got of the phone with Bruce Kutz, Export Policy Analyst, Office of > Strategic Trade and Foreign Policy Controls. (202) 482-0092. He seems to be > the contact person for the new regs. > > I pointed Mr. Kutz to the section that alarmed me: > > Sec. 736.2 General prohibitions and determination of applicability. > > * * * * * > > (7) General Prohibition Seven--Support of Certain Activities by > U.S. persons--(i) Support of Proliferation Activities (U.S. Person > Proliferation Activity). If you are a U.S. Person as that term is > defined in Sec. 744.6(c) of the EAR, you may not engage in any > activities prohibited by Sec. 744.6 (a) or (b) of the EAR which > prohibits the performance, without a license from BXA, of certain > financing, contracting, service, support, transportation, freight > forwarding, or employment that you know will assist in certain > proliferation activities described further in part 744 of the EAR. > There are no License Exceptions to this General Prohibition Seven in > part 740 of the EAR unless specifically authorized in that part. > > Mr. Kutz seemed surprised. Apparently he had not been aware that this > section was included in the new crypto regs. He then assured me that > > 1. Proliferation in the context of this paragraph applies only to > proliferation of > a) nuclear (bomb) technology > b) missile technology > > He read to me EAR Sec. 744.6 (a) or (b), which are referred to in the > paragraph in question. Sec. 744.6 (a) or (b) seems to support this view. > However, he did not explain to me why the paragraph was included in the > crypto export regulations when it only applies to nukes and missiles. > > 2. The Department of Commerce has no intention of banning the financing and > contracting of non-US crypto development. > > 3. Technical assistance to non-US parties requires a license. > > Mr. Kutz encouraged me to make use of the public comment period and ask > Commerce to clarify the section. Public comments will be accepted until > February 13, 1997. [Public comment is requested only after the new regs > took effect...] > > I received the impression that Mr. Kutz genuinely believes that the section > in question does not apply to crypto. If I was concerned about potentially > violating the regulations, I would try to get a written statement from > Commerce that Mr. Kutz's view is indeed correct. As always, IANAL. > > > > -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred > Make your mark in the history of mathematics. Use the spare cycles of > your PC/PPC/UNIX box to help find a new prime. > http://www.mersenne.org/prime.htm > > >

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Re: (Fwd) Re: Mr. May's Posts. Other Things.
by Ross Wright 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On or About 30 Dec 96 at 20:29, Graham-John Bullers wrote: > You mean we cannot choose to be RACIST BIGOTS shame on you. Sure you can, I got no problem with open disscussions of views. Any views! But a private threat of gunplay, that you have no right to! > > http://www.free > net.edmonton.ab.ca/~real/index.html > > : > real(a)freenet.edmonton.ab.c > a > Graham-John Bullers email > : > ab756(a)freenet.toronto.on.c > a > > Of course, I'd treat a "slapping" as an assault. I'd love to put a > > clip of hollowpoints through your chest. > > > > Your place or mine? > > > > ---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, > > digital =-=-=-=-=-=- Ross Wright King Media: Bulk Sales of Software Media and Duplication Services http://www.slip.net/~cdr/kingmedia Voice: 415-206-9906

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by secure＠access.usa.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: With my deepest regards....
by AwakenToMe＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In a message dated 96-12-30 17:46:12 EST, you write: << AwakenToMe(a)aol.com wrote: > Adam Breaux wrote: > > I am withdrawing from this list. Not because of the volume of > > email...that I can deal with...but what I cannot deal with is the > > volume of garbage and egotistical ranting[snippo] > Note to cypherpunks: This guy complains about the problem, but he *is* > the problem. *He* wants to tell us *he's* leaving. Talk about ego- > tistical ranting! What a hypocrite. > Since I never said I dont contribute to the problem.. I think Ill point > out... that in a reverse notion...He isn't the problem. What you replied > back is the problem. Argumentum ad nauseam. The point is, Adam (I think) wanted to tell us he's leaving. Well, who gives a shit, anyway? Instead of ranting against me, tell the cypherpunks why they should care that this particular individual is "leaving the list". >> he did: =-} <<I am withdrawing from this list. Not because of the volume of email...that I can deal with...but what I cannot deal with is the volume of garbage and egotistical ranting that seems so prevalent in what should for all sakes and purposes be a discussion of cyphering and security. Apparently the name of this list is designed to mislead...because of all the posts, a grand total of 5% proved worth reading at all.>>

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Re: (Fwd) Re: Mr. May's Posts. Other Things.
by Bovine Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Some peckerhead soiled my mailbox with: >This is the message I got in response to my post regarding Mr. May's >offensive, racist, and bigoted post about ebonics. I have made >overtures towards peace and tried to explain that I thought that the >Doctor's verbal slapping was not as bad as it seemed, maybe even he >deserved it!. He refuses to answer. He's just a pussy, I guess. >Like's to make terroristic threats. To Nam vets, yet. Ballsy, Tim! Thank you for playing, Mr. Grubor. Please pick up your consolation prize at the door marked "Out." And stop passing Dimbulb the mailing list messages -- you know it makes the tumors in his head kick in. >I would rather have discussed this with you in private e-mail, or >over a few beers, but you refuse to answer my e-mail. Maybe he has you filtered, as the rest of us will now. *plonk* (I'd prob'ly buy him the hollowpoints, btw.)

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WinSock Remailer Now Operating Normally
by Joey Grasty 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Y'all: The WinSock Remailer, operating at winsock(a)rigel.cyberpass.net, is back up and operating normally. Regards, Joey Grasty Jim Ray WinSock Remailer Operators -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQB1AwUBMsh/qw6sYKeTQAOtAQEXnwL7B53vpSeyb7PbR+g+X7PK1KsEG9sqr1ws Uf9tymq7fJNGHmDl/+7V7asL/i0hmZPLm/XiIniMyutfXCGFWGNQ8kYAvlarq2yp t3wSKo/TJkgIZERaziAa5gTD77mQcnXT =VrpC -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Ebonite Notes from All Over
by drose＠AZStarNet.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

1. J. Jackson apparently now finds "ebonics" to be a "Goot Thang"(SM): _S.F. Examiner_ reporter Venise (sic) Wagner headlines in the paper's Web site today that "Jackson backs Oakland 'ebonics.' Rights leader switches position after hearing about program in detail." Says Jackson: "The first message the came out was that the district was going to make black language equitable (sic) as another language. That is not the idea." Is Mr. Jackson speaking in Ebonics? 2. From "A Brief History of Plastics": "Ebonite (TM) is produced by heating natural rubber with about 10% by weight of sulpher. This is about five time more sulpher than would be used in conventional vulcanisation. The material is hard, black and tough and bears a striking resemblance to the hardwood, ebony--hence its name. The main use for ebonite in the early 1800s was in piano keys." 3. Although Ebonite International sponsors the Professional Bowling Association's "Ebonite Classic" tournament, the Official ABC/WIBC Ruling on Ball Cleaners, as at 9/12/96, has ruled that their 1-and-2-Step Reactive Resin Ball Cleaners "cannot be used during ABC/WIBC sanctioned competition because it would be in violation of Rule 19." But take heart: the American Bowling Conference Equipment Specifications Department has decided that "these products are allowed before or after league and/or tournament sessions." 4. What's the difference between a bowling ball and a black woman? If you're really, really hungry, you can always eat the bowling ball. N.B. I personally find #4 above to be racist, sick, and not very "funny" at all.

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RE: Iranian clergic attacks Internet as 'poison' to the m...
by jbugden＠smtplink.alis.ca 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Subject: RE: Iranian clergic attacks Internet as 'poison' to the masses ( vipul(a)pobox.com wrote: >*** Iranian clergic attacks Internet as 'poison' to the masses >A senior Iranian cleric called Friday for restricting Internet access >because the global computer network fed "poison" to the masses. I have seen this article elsewhere, and the sentiment is not as nefarious as it sounds. You may know that many Arabic and Persian countries have a heavy exposure to French. In this case, the confusion arises due to the similarity between the English "poison" and the French "poisson" which means fish. Restated, the problem is that the Internet is feeding "fish" to the masses in the form of information, hence the masses are not feeding themselves. A similar English adage is: Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he'll eat for the rest of his life. As the mullah implies, we need to help people to increase their critical thinking skills, rather than passively accept what others tell them via the Internet. Start now. James

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Re: (Fwd) Re: Mr. May's Posts. Other Things.
by Ross Wright 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On or About 30 Dec 96 at 19:52, Sandy Sandfort wrote: > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > SANDY SANDFORT > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > C'punks, > > On Mon, 30 Dec 1996, Ross Wright wrote: > > > Be that as it may, it is still no call for threats of gunplay! > > That is NOT funny. I take such things very seriously. > > So let me see if I've got this right. Threatening to slap > someone is okay, I said "he deserves a slapping". I never volunteered to carry that out. And, furthermore, I meant a verbal slapping, something akin to what is already happening with the good Doctor's attacks. Sorry about the metaphor. God damn, must I overstate the obvious? What pissed me off is: After I received this letter I sent several olive branches. No reply. No discussion. Just leave it with his weapon drawn? On my open and empty hand!? That's not me. > but threatening to defend one's self from such an > attack is not okay? Interesting. I guess the old saying still > applies, "the essence of humor is WHOSE ox is being gored." > > > S a n d y =-=-=-=-=-=- Ross Wright King Media: Bulk Sales of Software Media and Duplication Services http://www.slip.net/~cdr/kingmedia Voice: 415-206-9906

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