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Re: Rejection policy of the Cypherpunks mailing list
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote: > Toto <toto(a)sk.sympatico.ca> writes: > > paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk wrote: > > It became rather glaringly obvious after moderation was announced > > that class structure would be the defining feature of moderation. > > Those who felt themselves to be in the 'upper class' made no > > bones about it. > > That's a very insightful obeservation. Obese-rvation? I hope you are not assuming that I am obese, just because I am responding to a post originating from 'fatmans.demon.co.uk.' I would hate to become relegated to the upcoming cypherpunks-fatpeople list because of assumptions of this nature. Toto

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Re: Scandinavian Goverments provide PGP to postal customers...
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 05:44 AM 1/25/97 -0800, Lucky Green wrote: >At 06:29 PM 1/24/97 -0800, Hugh Daniel wrote: >> FYI: >>>From: jsp(a)betz.biostr.washington.edu >[...] >>> However, some hardware is required. Because the key is on a >>> smartcard, users must have smartcard readers installed on their >>> computers, which aren't yet widely available. But Pdr Andler of >>> Finnish Hewlett Packard says that later this year, smartcard readers >>> will become standard on computers in Scandinavia. >[...] > >Interesting piece of trivia: I recently talked with a fellow from Intel. They are looking to purchase keyboards with smartcard readers built in. They hope to get them at $30/piece from suppliers in Asia. The lot size? 10 million. I suppose this is good news. I just hope they implement a system, like Chaum's low-knowledge/zero-knowledge systems, which make it difficult or impossible for snoops or tampered hardware to leak useful information. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Corelation
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

My database seems to indicate a direct co-relation between the number of postings criticizing moderation and the number of UCE/Spam postings showing up on the list. i.e. When there are a number of postings critizizing Sandy's moderation, then the diversionary UCE/Spam postings increase dramatically. Has anyone actually 'seen' John Gilmore, lately? Since there have been a number of postings indicating that the writer 'used to respect' Gilmore, I am wondering if perhaps this moderation experiment is not actually an attempt by someone to discredit him. Perhaps he is being held hostage somewhere, while the more nefarious elements among us are trying to besmirch his good name by using it to promote willy-nilly censorship and class-elitism. Toto

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Re: Rejection policy of the Cypherpunks mailing list
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote: > Jim Bell is a boor, but he had some very > interesting ideas that upset the "cypher punk" crowd because he advocates > dismantling the system they hope to join one day. I have enjoyed many of Jim Bell's posts, and occasionally sent him a note telling him so. Other posts of his leave me with the desire to fire off a missive telling him what a low-down, scum-sucking sack of shit he is. One thing I have gleaned from his posts is that he is an adult. As such, I assume that he is fully capable of living his life according to his own beliefs and standards, and will not be reduced to running to his mother, crying, because of the expressions of my relevant or non-relevant opinions. I have seen no posts from him indicating a desire to be 'saved' from any less-than-applausitory comments on my part, but it seems that others have taken it upon themselves to 'save' him, regardless. I fail to see how any supposedly intelligent members of the CypherPunks list can possibly be content to fall for the line, "Bend over, baby. I'm only going to moderate you 'a little bit'." Toto

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Re: Scandinavian Goverments provide PGP to postal customers...
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:50 PM 1/25/97 -0800, jim bell wrote: >>Interesting piece of trivia: I recently talked with a fellow from Intel. They are looking to purchase keyboards with smartcard readers built in. They hope to get them at $30/piece from suppliers in Asia. The lot size? 10 million. > > >I suppose this is good news. I just hope they implement a system, like >Chaum's low-knowledge/zero-knowledge systems, which make it difficult or >impossible for snoops or tampered hardware to leak useful information. I understand that Intel's main problem at this time seem to be to find a keyboard manufacturer that understands that for the device to be effective, the CPU should not be involved in its operation. -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred Make your mark in the history of mathematics. Use the spare cycles of your PC/PPC/UNIX box to help find a new prime. http://www.mersenne.org/prime.htm

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Re: overview.htm (fwd)
by ichudov＠algebra.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Igor Chudov @ home wrote: > > Dale Thorn wrote: > > Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote: > > > > > > > Both homosexual males and IV drug users are well known to take a lot > > > > > of antobiotics, which lowers the efficacy of the immune system enough > > > > > to allow most anything to happen, ultimately leading to auto-immune > > > > > problems. > > > > > Jim and Dale, I agree. > > > Also shooting one's bloodstream full of fecal matter hardly helps. > > > > My point about the antibiotics is that the male gays take a dis- > > proportionate amount of them, which compounds their problems. It > > suggests to me that the immune system is already seriously debilitated > > or damaged before AIDS can take hold, rather than the notion that a > > healthy person can get it from the virii alone. Dale's hypothesis seems at odds with the linkage of aids and blood transfusion and transmission through needles. Nurses who contract aids through contaminated needles do not, normally, have devastated immune systems. - Igor.

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Re: overview.htm (fwd)
by ichudov＠algebra.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dale Thorn wrote: > Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote: > > > > > Both homosexual males and IV drug users are well known to take a lot > > > > of antobiotics, which lowers the efficacy of the immune system enough > > > > to allow most anything to happen, ultimately leading to auto-immune > > > > problems. > > > Jim and Dale, I agree. > > Also shooting one's bloodstream full of fecal matter hardly helps. > > My point about the antibiotics is that the male gays take a dis- > proportionate amount of them, which compounds their problems. It > suggests to me that the immune system is already seriously debilitated > or damaged before AIDS can take hold, rather than the notion that a > healthy person can get it from the virii alone. > > One could argue that in the cases where the cures (antibiotics) add to > a person's problems by further corrupting their immune system, that > they should simply change their habits. Since I don't see that as a > reasonable possibility, the only thing left is that the public should > be made aware of *all* of the relevant facts, even those which are > heavily suppressed now for PC reasons. Why do they take antibiotics? Just curious. Also, I haven't heard that antibiotics were bad for immune system, has that been proven? - Igor.

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Re: Scandinavian Goverments provide PGP to postal customers...
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 05:44 AM 1/25/97 -0800, Lucky Green wrote: >At 06:29 PM 1/24/97 -0800, Hugh Daniel wrote: >> FYI: >>>From: jsp(a)betz.biostr.washington.edu >[...] >>> However, some hardware is required. Because the key is on a >>> smartcard, users must have smartcard readers installed on their >>> computers, which aren't yet widely available. But Pdr Andler of >>> Finnish Hewlett Packard says that later this year, smartcard readers >>> will become standard on computers in Scandinavia. >[...] > >Interesting piece of trivia: I recently talked with a fellow from Intel. They are looking to purchase keyboards with smartcard readers built in. They hope to get them at $30/piece from suppliers in Asia. The lot size? 10 million. I suppose this is good news. I just hope they implement a system, like Chaum's low-knowledge/zero-knowledge systems, which make it difficult or impossible for snoops or tampered hardware to leak useful information. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Re: Rejection policy of the Cypherpunks mailing list
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote: > Toto <toto(a)sk.sympatico.ca> writes: > > paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk wrote: > > It became rather glaringly obvious after moderation was announced > > that class structure would be the defining feature of moderation. > > Those who felt themselves to be in the 'upper class' made no > > bones about it. > > That's a very insightful obeservation. Obese-rvation? I hope you are not assuming that I am obese, just because I am responding to a post originating from 'fatmans.demon.co.uk.' I would hate to become relegated to the upcoming cypherpunks-fatpeople list because of assumptions of this nature. Toto

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Re: overview.htm (fwd)
by Dale Thorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Igor Chudov @ home wrote: > Igor Chudov @ home wrote: > > Dale Thorn wrote: > > > My point about the antibiotics is that the male gays take a dis- > > > proportionate amount of them, which compounds their problems. It > > > suggests to me that the immune system is already seriously debilitated > > > or damaged before AIDS can take hold, rather than the notion that a > > > healthy person can get it from the virii alone. > Dale's hypothesis seems at odds with the linkage of aids and blood > transfusion and transmission through needles. > Nurses who contract aids through contaminated needles do not, > normally, have devastated immune systems. Let's be realistic about how AIDS is acquired. A small analogy: In my pockets I carry two wallets, one with $100's and the other with smaller change, about 50 bills in various small denominations. Let's say tomorrow I spend a $10 bill at the bookstore, and the guy behind the counter says "this is a phony bill". So where did I get it? Well, if pocket change were always LIFO (last in, first out), I might be able to remember, but there's a good chance I wouldn't, since I go to a lot of places and do a lot of small transactions. Now I'm only talking 50 or so small bills, acquired and redistributed over a period of at most a few months. AIDS, OTOH, is likely to be a development from years of 1) Contact with germs, chemicals, food additives, antibiotics other medical treatments, sexual contact, etc. and 2) Immune-suppressing activities such as lack of sleep and exercise, anxiety and stress, and so on. It seems to me that "proof" of someone acquiring AIDS from one stab with a contaminated needle is a very nebulous thing. As far as nurses go, the contact I've had with many of them tells me they are also (on average) drug users extraordinaire. Again, you'll be able to find a very clean hospital in a big city with a bunch of nice clean nurses in it (a lot of sweet old ladies is the image coming to mind), but this is as unrealistic as Leave It To Beaver and other 1950's nonsense.

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