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Re: Fighting the cybercensor. (fwd)
by Dale Thorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Bill Stewart wrote: > At 07:38 PM 1/23/97 -0600, Jim Choate wrote: > One of the points of the Ebonics program is to recognize that > other people don't always speak the same way you do, and that > if you want to communicate with them, you'll be more successful > if you realize it, understand when they're talking in their dialect, I could agree with "some of the points" of the Ebonics program were it not for the fact of the hidden points. Unbeknownst to most folks, supporting a program on any erstwhile points will give support to the program on *all* points. One specific example: When I worked for Firestone corporate from 1970 to 1981, we were bullied into giving to the United Fund. (BTW, I learned how much my boss was making by reading the punches on the IBM cards.) The one bone they tossed us was we could specify which worthy causes our personal contribution would go towards. The trick was, if a certain greater-than-expected number of people specified a Catholic charity, for example, more funds would then be moved into the other charities to balance that out. Presumably those funds would come from those folks who hadn't declared a designee. In my view, once the contributors' specific designations were made, the remaining undesignated contributions should have been split across the designees according to the original percentages declared in the U.F. literature. Anything else would be a farce.

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US Info Supremacy
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From Financial Times 26 January: "Defence experts in both the US and western Europe have commented recently that the US forces' lead in information technology is growing to the point where Washington may question the military usefulness of allies." Pointers to these comments would be appreciated. Further, if the speculation of US supremacist go-it-alone policy is correct, how might this affect: 1. US crypto export policy. 2. Crypto czar Aarons' role in promoting global GAK. 3. Other nation's suspicion of the US and its technological prowess, caused, for example, by the NSA's avowed intention to surveil all the world's communcation, and if encrypted to crack it at any cost. 4. Increasing isolation of the US from foreign innovation and talent -- the imperialist incest decline. 5. The future of treaties such as US/UK/AUS, NATO, SEATO, and the like for intel-sharing and crypto control. Two observations: One, last year's NRC crypto report said that strong crypto should not be a problem, and that other, unidentified, technologies should be supported instead to assure domestic and national security. Two, the recent InfoWar-Defense report has been criticized as unduly alarmist, because the US has sufficient means (Perry and others claim) to protect against information attacks. One NCSC commentator on talk.politics.crypto said that the IW-D techie panelists were out of touch, unlike Stewart Baker, a lawyer! Hence, it might be worth considering that both the NRC report and the IW-D reports are diversionary, disinformation to conceal US true capabilities -- strengths and weaknesses. Moreover, the crypto debate itself might be diversionary from other more crucial information defense technology -- for surveilling, sifting, interpreting, analyzing, decrypting, mining and securely storing. As well as offensive means to counterattack US communications attackers. Or, turning the matter one more time, perhaps crypto is in fact the heart of the national security problem and the avowed other, unidentified, more crucial, technology is a sham to mislead about US and other government's true weaknesses. The Commerce Control List is almost incoherent in trying to definitively regulate advancing technology. Paranoia may be increasing among governments due to the crypto debate and related issues of information security, such that each may, like the US is allegedly doing, retreating to within its own technological borders, while at the same time engaging in PsyWar about threats, defenses and offenses. Hello, Tim May and our other solons and Solomons.

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Re: overview.htm (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 10:31:49 -0800 > From: Dale Thorn <dthorn(a)gte.net> > Subject: Re: overview.htm > > Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote: > > Jim Choate <ravage(a)einstein.ssz.com> writes: > > > [For the record, I have serious doubts whether the HIV virus causes AIDS.] > > Both homosexual males and IV drug users are well known to take a lot > of antobiotics, which lowers the efficacy of the immune system enough > to allow most anything to happen, ultimately leading to auto-immune > problems. WOAH Bessie! I had nothing to do with this exchange, and definitely didn't write ANY of the above. Please get me out of there and keep me out of it. I am more than able to speak for myself thank you. Jim Choate CyberTects ravage(a)ssz.com

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Re: Fighting the cybercensor. (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 10:19:20 -0800 > From: Dale Thorn <dthorn(a)gte.net> > Subject: Re: Fighting the cybercensor. (fwd) > Precedence: bulk > > Bill Stewart wrote: > > At 07:38 PM 1/23/97 -0600, Jim Choate wrote: I most certainly did NOT... > > One of the points of the Ebonics program is to recognize that > > other people don't always speak the same way you do, and that > > if you want to communicate with them, you'll be more successful > > if you realize it, understand when they're talking in their dialect, > > I could agree with "some of the points" of the Ebonics program were > it not for the fact of the hidden points. Unbeknownst to most folks, > supporting a program on any erstwhile points will give support to the > program on *all* points. Looks like Bessie could use a refresher course in: * Getting their sources correct * Using their mail/editing package * Basic rules of courtesy Folks, if you can't get it straight, keep your damn editor buffers empty. Jim Choate CyberTects ravage(a)ssz.com

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Re: Fighting the cybercensor. (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 10:19:20 -0800 > From: Dale Thorn <dthorn(a)gte.net> > Subject: Re: Fighting the cybercensor. (fwd) > Precedence: bulk > > Bill Stewart wrote: > > At 07:38 PM 1/23/97 -0600, Jim Choate wrote: I most certainly did NOT... > > One of the points of the Ebonics program is to recognize that > > other people don't always speak the same way you do, and that > > if you want to communicate with them, you'll be more successful > > if you realize it, understand when they're talking in their dialect, > > I could agree with "some of the points" of the Ebonics program were > it not for the fact of the hidden points. Unbeknownst to most folks, > supporting a program on any erstwhile points will give support to the > program on *all* points. Looks like Bessie could use a refresher course in: * Getting their sources correct * Using their mail/editing package * Basic rules of courtesy Folks, if you can't get it straight, keep your damn editor buffers empty. Jim Choate CyberTects ravage(a)ssz.com

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Re: overview.htm (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 10:31:49 -0800 > From: Dale Thorn <dthorn(a)gte.net> > Subject: Re: overview.htm > > Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote: > > Jim Choate <ravage(a)einstein.ssz.com> writes: > > > [For the record, I have serious doubts whether the HIV virus causes AIDS.] > > Both homosexual males and IV drug users are well known to take a lot > of antobiotics, which lowers the efficacy of the immune system enough > to allow most anything to happen, ultimately leading to auto-immune > problems. WOAH Bessie! I had nothing to do with this exchange, and definitely didn't write ANY of the above. Please get me out of there and keep me out of it. I am more than able to speak for myself thank you. Jim Choate CyberTects ravage(a)ssz.com

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Voting to require Photo ID in Michigan
by lwp＠mail.msen.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Late last year, in the final days that Republicans controlled both houses of the Michigan Legislature, they passed a new law requiring citizen-units to show a picture ID in order to vote. This law was signed by Governor John Engler earlier this month. Here I reproduce without permission a news brief from the Lansing State Journal, which gives some reactions to the new law. Particularly interesting to me is the promise of selective enforcement from the Governor's spokesman. ' LAWMAKER SEEKS VOTER LAW REVIEW ' Pontiac -- A Republican lawmaker has asked the U.S. Justice ' Department to review a new state law that will require voters to show ' photo identification to cast ballots. ' Rep. Greg Kaza of Rochester Hills wrote to Attorney General Janet ' Reno this week to seek the review, The Oakland Press reported Thursday. ' The new law requires all voters to have a state photo ID card, such ' as a driver's license or an ID card people receiving public assistance ' are required to have. ' Kaza said Wednesday he wrote to Reno that "Public Act 583 of 1996 ' has the potential to intimidate certain classes of voters, including ' senior citizens, from exercising their democratic right to vote. They ' should not be disenfranchised from exercising their right to vote ' under the United States Constitution." ' Gov. John Engler signed the bill last week. His administration ' says it is needed to protect the integrity of the voting process, but ' critics, mostly Democrats, say it would exclude some people from voting. ' "It is our belief you need an ID in society today," Engler spokesman ' John Truscott said. "And only if you are challenged at the ballot box ' do you have to show an ID." ' Michigan Attorney General Frank Kelley already has been asked to ' issue an opinion on whether the new law is constitutional. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: "We are surrounded by :: Lou Poppler <lwp(a)mail.msen.com> :: insurmountable opportunity." :: http://www.msen.com/~lwp/ :: :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Pogo (Walt Kelly)

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Re: Homo/bi/sexuals Most Destructive (fwd)
by no_one＠nowhere.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In article <199701250026.QAA13770(a)toad.com>, ravage(a)einstein.ssz.com (Jim Choate) wrote: > Much drivel about AIDS deleted. > > > One of the saddest commentaries on the entire problem is the > > man, a Pan-American flight steward, who was identified as carrier > > #1 by the Communicable Disease Center (CDC) in Atlanta; he died > > The correct term is 'Patient 0'. And the CDC is the Centers for Disease Control; and it has since found many, many prior cases of AIDS. These three minor errors are indicative of Attila's reliability of the subject. Of course, no one at CDC or NIH believes any of this crap; it was tired a decade ago. ObCrypto? How to implement RL anonymity protocols for medical treatment? (Of course I'm stretching it - but "carriers" were the *first* horseman.

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Voting to require Photo ID in Michigan
by Lou Poppler 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Late last year, in the final days that Republicans controlled both houses of the Michigan Legislature, they passed a new law requiring citizen-units to show a picture ID in order to vote. This law was signed by Governor John Engler earlier this month. Here I reproduce without permission a news brief from the Lansing State Journal, which gives some reactions to the new law. Particularly interesting to me is the promise of selective enforcement from the Governor's spokesman. ' LAWMAKER SEEKS VOTER LAW REVIEW ' Pontiac -- A Republican lawmaker has asked the U.S. Justice ' Department to review a new state law that will require voters to show ' photo identification to cast ballots. ' Rep. Greg Kaza of Rochester Hills wrote to Attorney General Janet ' Reno this week to seek the review, The Oakland Press reported Thursday. ' The new law requires all voters to have a state photo ID card, such ' as a driver's license or an ID card people receiving public assistance ' are required to have. ' Kaza said Wednesday he wrote to Reno that "Public Act 583 of 1996 ' has the potential to intimidate certain classes of voters, including ' senior citizens, from exercising their democratic right to vote. They ' should not be disenfranchised from exercising their right to vote ' under the United States Constitution." ' Gov. John Engler signed the bill last week. His administration ' says it is needed to protect the integrity of the voting process, but ' critics, mostly Democrats, say it would exclude some people from voting. ' "It is our belief you need an ID in society today," Engler spokesman ' John Truscott said. "And only if you are challenged at the ballot box ' do you have to show an ID." ' Michigan Attorney General Frank Kelley already has been asked to ' issue an opinion on whether the new law is constitutional. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: "We are surrounded by :: Lou Poppler <lwp(a)mail.msen.com> :: insurmountable opportunity." :: http://www.msen.com/~lwp/ :: :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Pogo (Walt Kelly)

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who the "fuck" am I?
by Attila T. Hun 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In <Pine.LNX.3.95.970125111610.12982A-100000(a)dhp.com>, on 01/25/97 at 12:32 PM, aga <aga(a)dhp.com> said: +Which Attila the Hun is this? +Is this the rec.nude guy? +-aga response -------------- I will not say "what is 'rec.nude'" but I have never been there; isn't that the one for nudists camps or some such? never been much into worrying about what I wore, or making the statement I did not! I always thought a little mystery was good for both sides: she knows not if I have a small dick, I know not if she has no tits; la, la, la.. .. as to multiple "Attila the Hun" accounts, I probably have as good as any original stake on the name as far as the net goes: --Bell Labs hung it on me in the mid 70s when I was doing some contract work on the unix kernal for Western Electric for the spook show. The name stuck, and why bother to change? Other than the fact the nudist might be a real loser, I could care less about a nym; there are multiple users on other nyms (for all we know, Tim May is a nym and the name is common); you can usually guess by context who is who. how many of us have actually seen each other face to face (who would want to <g>)? so, in most cases, real names are no different than nyms in a make believe world. now, all that being said... it has been asked... "who the fuck are you?" to which I reply: "...good choice of expletives." "nobody, I guess; "well, let's see... "I have a Piled higher and Deeper in Information Techniques from Zuerich (undergrad at Harvard in dual honors physical chemistry); "I have been around since before the dawn of arpanet, probably even longer than TCMay; in fact, I was born before Franklin D. Roosevelt dusted off Wendell L. Willkie; "...but I've never held a 'job;' "I have personally coded more than a few 250,000+ line packages, which made me quite comfortable at one time, even if more than one did go down the black hole (along with countless other projects like the bit-slice hardware and firmware to replace B3500s in missle silos); "I have been the hatchet man in numerous high tech recoveries; "I have been detained for crypto offenses by the Feds; "I have been detained for 'treasonable' technology export; "I have been charged; "...a long time ago, in a land far, far away, there was more than one tour in the Corps' "deep-deep black" special operations; the battalion commanding officer for the 'Let's kill 'em all' vacant eyes, the misfits; "a combat chopper pilot; "an instrument rated multi-engine pilots license; "a rider of a 102 in. 115+ mph qtr. miler hawg on the street; "plus a few other reasons to guarantee an autobiography found on the fiction shelf." while playing Hotel California: So, who the 'fuck' am I? Just another aging 300 lb gorilla, long haired hippie, California freak, with yet another loud outlaw chopper. "Oh, yeah, I forgot, I hold a license to practice before the court in a couple European countries (not that I would waste my time...)." "So, who am I, really? "Nobody, I guess, just attila!" == "you probably will not be last, you may not be next, but you are certainly too late to have been first. --attila -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: latin1 Comment: Encrypted with 2.6.3i. Requires 2.6 or later. iQCVAwUBMuqidr04kQrCC2kFAQGiqgQAqu6qHbbX61IkM0YBXnFAZ2divzWvWPWB vt/+BHXq55PHmAPq1m2v5Yf0Jnam03abm4hFkvQLFtCg05i8bRaU5L8QiWyJJ3z0 wtMrDKF9VqRtSDhSwUoVwS2affnUUViE4GPBjezNCnuTtwHQ0fr7vgqq8IUr8q4I dDLp/VCMniE= =9nng -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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