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by R. A. Hettinga 05 Jul '18

05 Jul '18

irtheory-owner(a)yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list irtheory(a)yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 17:00:23 -0400 Subject: [irtheory] Re: War ain't beanbag. Irony is conserved. Reply-To: irtheory(a)yahoogroups.com At 8:37 PM +0000 6/13/04, Carmi Turchick wrote: >Thank you for the perfect illustration of pure evil There you go again. ;-) Cheers, RAH -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/_tgrlB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/irtheory/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: irtheory-unsubscribe(a)yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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by R. A. Hettinga 05 Jul '18

05 Jul '18

irtheory-owner(a)yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list irtheory(a)yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 17:00:23 -0400 Subject: [irtheory] Re: War ain't beanbag. Irony is conserved. Reply-To: irtheory(a)yahoogroups.com At 8:37 PM +0000 6/13/04, Carmi Turchick wrote: >Thank you for the perfect illustration of pure evil There you go again. ;-) Cheers, RAH -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/_tgrlB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/irtheory/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: irtheory-unsubscribe(a)yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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by R. A. Hettinga 05 Jul '18

05 Jul '18

irtheory-owner(a)yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list irtheory(a)yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 17:00:23 -0400 Subject: [irtheory] Re: War ain't beanbag. Irony is conserved. Reply-To: irtheory(a)yahoogroups.com At 8:37 PM +0000 6/13/04, Carmi Turchick wrote: >Thank you for the perfect illustration of pure evil There you go again. ;-) Cheers, RAH -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/_tgrlB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/irtheory/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: irtheory-unsubscribe(a)yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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by R. A. Hettinga 05 Jul '18

05 Jul '18

irtheory-owner(a)yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list irtheory(a)yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 17:00:23 -0400 Subject: [irtheory] Re: War ain't beanbag. Irony is conserved. Reply-To: irtheory(a)yahoogroups.com At 8:37 PM +0000 6/13/04, Carmi Turchick wrote: >Thank you for the perfect illustration of pure evil There you go again. ;-) Cheers, RAH -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/_tgrlB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/irtheory/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: irtheory-unsubscribe(a)yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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by R. A. Hettinga 05 Jul '18

05 Jul '18

irtheory-owner(a)yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list irtheory(a)yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 17:00:23 -0400 Subject: [irtheory] Re: War ain't beanbag. Irony is conserved. Reply-To: irtheory(a)yahoogroups.com At 8:37 PM +0000 6/13/04, Carmi Turchick wrote: >Thank you for the perfect illustration of pure evil There you go again. ;-) Cheers, RAH -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/_tgrlB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/irtheory/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: irtheory-unsubscribe(a)yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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by R. A. Hettinga 05 Jul '18

05 Jul '18

irtheory-owner(a)yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list irtheory(a)yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 17:00:23 -0400 Subject: [irtheory] Re: War ain't beanbag. Irony is conserved. Reply-To: irtheory(a)yahoogroups.com At 8:37 PM +0000 6/13/04, Carmi Turchick wrote: >Thank you for the perfect illustration of pure evil There you go again. ;-) Cheers, RAH -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/_tgrlB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/irtheory/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: irtheory-unsubscribe(a)yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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Kabul Takes Steps Toward Disarming Afghan Population
by owlswan free eagle 05 Jul '18

05 Jul '18

Thought you should see some of the quotes in this: ***** Afghanistan: Once the ID cards are issued, the authorities plan to require civilians to register their weapons with the police. At that time, they will take on the sensitive issue of who is allowed to keep guns in their homes. "We haven't decided to go house to house yet," General Khan said, "but we are studying how to do it." Officials said they hoped to carry out the program across the country. and: That compares with 100 reported cases of all serious crimes: robbery, murder, drug smuggling and the like in the last two months. "This is not a normal situation," Mr. Karim said. "When there are no guns in the hands of people, the number of robberies will decrease. Right now, it's a very difficult situation to control." **Huh?*** http://www.nytimes.com/2002/01/14/international/asia/14AFGH.html -- Love and peace, owlswan "Did you really think that we want those laws to be observed? . . . We want them broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts that you're up against - and then you'll know that this is not the age for beautiful gestures. We're after power and we mean it. . . . . There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted - and you create a nation of lawbreakers - and then you cash in on the guilt. Now that's the system, . . . that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with." From Atlas Shrugged, by Ayn Rand. Published by Penguin Boo January 14, 2002 INTERNATIONAL <http://www.nytimes.com/2002/01/14/international/asia/#> Kabul Takes Steps Toward Disarming Afghan Population By MARK LANDLER ABUL, Afghanistan, Jan. 13 - Starting Monday, people here whose jobs require them to carry guns will also have to carry government identification cards, the authorities said today. It is part of an ambitious plan by Afghanistan's interim rulers to end the ubiquity of weapons in this heavily armed society. Disarming Afghanistan's 24 million people is critical to restoring order in the country, according to Gen. Bismullah Khan, a Northern Alliance commander who oversees security in Kabul and its surrounding province. General Khan said that crime had spiked in Kabul in the chaotic aftermath of the Taliban rule, as Northern Alliance soldiers, militia members, irregular troops, security guards and any number of other people with guns roam this city. Traumatized by two decades of war and repression, the people of Kabul now face the more pedestrian, but equally lethal, dangers of banditry and car-jacking as well as the threat of death by violence. Once the ID cards are issued, the authorities plan to require civilians to register their weapons with the police. At that time, they will take on the sensitive issue of who is allowed to keep guns in their homes. "We haven't decided to go house to house yet," General Khan said, "but we are studying how to do it." Officials said they hoped to carry out the program across the country. Two men were arrested and confessed to having killed Walid Samadi. His body was dumped in a well in a remote part of the Shamali Valley, north of here. The soldiers said they had ordered him out of the car and shot him in the face, chest and back as he pleaded for his life. It is a tragic but hardly unusual story. From taxi drivers to school workers, everyone here seems to know a recent crime victim. "Whenever there is a knock at the door or a small noise outside, I jump," said Naima Samadi, as she huddled in her unheated home, cradling a photo of her slain son. "I am afraid that my other sons will be killed." The lawlessness extends beyond the capital. In southern Afghanistan, where the interim government has little control and the United States continues to bomb suspected hide- outs of Taliban fighters and Al Qaeda terrorists, the lack of security is hampering relief efforts. The United Nations has not been able to distribute food in Kandahar, the former stronghold of the Taliban, because of fears that armed bandits will attack its convoys and workers. "Security continues to be a significant obstacle to reaching people," said Jordan Dey, a spokesman for the World Food Program. Last week, Afghanistan's interim government took its first step to combat the lawlessness. It ordered between 300 and 400 Northern Alliance troops, who had been loitering in Kabul since the Taliban fled their advance on Nov. 9, to leave the city. Today, the interior minister, Yunus Qanooni, said the bulk of the soldiers had moved to barracks outside Kabul. Those still here are waiting for quarters to be readied. While Kabul is peaceful enough by day, there has been a surge in nighttime robberies by people wearing uniforms, some of whom claim to be looking for weapons or fugitive Taliban members. Abdul Karim, director of research for the Kabul Police, said there had been 15 such robberies during one week, from Dec. 30 to Jan. 6. That compares with 100 reported cases of all serious crimes: robbery, murder, drug smuggling and the like in the last two months. "This is not a normal situation," Mr. Karim said. "When there are no guns in the hands of people, the number of robberies will decrease. Right now, it's a very difficult situation to control." The police are also hopelessly outgunned. Mr. Karim said there were only 100 trained police officers in Kabul, constituting 30 percent of the force. The other 70 percent, some of them former soldiers, were hired off the street to help with assignments. "Our problem is that we lack the basic elements of a police department," Mr. Qanooni said. "It was completely destroyed by the Taliban. We must rebuild it from zero." While the government creates a new police force, the military is starting to confiscate weapons from troops no longer on active duty. Gen. Qalandar Big, who runs the main ammunition depot here, said he had collected 2,000 guns. General Big showed off a small collection of machine guns and rocket-propelled grenade launchers that he said came from Northern Alliance troops. But he became evasive when asked where the 2,000 weapons were, saying they had not yet been delivered to him. "We have not faced resistance," General Big said. "Most people in Afghanistan are in favor of turning in their weapons." Still, he noted that when the Taliban abandoned Kabul, they left very few weapons behind. Many of those people remain at large, in the rugged hills of eastern Afghanistan near the Pakistan border. They constitute another armed and dangerous group. Confiscating weapons from civilians poses its own difficulties. When the Taliban collected guns from families, for example, people often turned in one, while keeping a spare. Mr. Qanooni said the government would rather entice than compel people to surrender their weapons. The most basic solution, he said, would be to provide economic opportunities so that people no longer believed that they needed a gun to survive. "We need to give jobs to the mujahedeen," he said. Failing that, Mr. Qanooni said the government could offer to buy guns from their owners. "If we spent $200 million, we could buy all of them," he said. "Unfortunately, we do not have it." Perhaps the thorniest challenge is to break the cycle of violence in Afghanistan. The murder of Walid Samadi was the second violent death in his family; his eldest brother Farid, an engineering student, was killed by a shell during the Afghan civil war in 1994. Asked whether he wanted to carry a gun, Walid's younger brother, Habib, shook his head vigorously. "We don't like to carry weapons," he said. "We hate weapons." After looking at his grief-stricken mother, he added, "Of course it would be good for the security of our family." Copyright 2002 The New York Times Company | <http://www.nytimes.com/info/help/privacy.html>Privacy Information ************************************************************************** Subscribe to Freematt's Alerts: Pro-Individual Rights Issues Send a blank message to: freematt(a)coil.com with the words subscribe FA on the subject line. 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[liberationtech] jamming satellite phones in Homs
by oli 05 Jul '18

05 Jul '18

Hi, according to: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2012/03/20123175034166718.html "But communication with residents in the district was difficult. Electricity and phone lines have been cut off, and an activist from the Syrian Network for Human Rights told Al Jazeera that the government was using a new technology to jam satellite phone signals." Anyone any ideas what this "new technology" is? Oli _______________________________________________ liberationtech mailing list liberationtech(a)lists.stanford.edu Should you need to change your subscription options, please go to: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech If you would like to receive a daily digest, click "yes" (once you click above) next to "would you like to receive list mail batched in a daily digest?" You will need the user name and password you receive from the list moderator in monthly reminders. Should you need immediate assistance, please contact the list moderator. Please don't forget to follow us on http://twitter.com/#!/Liberationtech ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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Kabul Takes Steps Toward Disarming Afghan Population
by owlswan free eagle 05 Jul '18

05 Jul '18

Thought you should see some of the quotes in this: ***** Afghanistan: Once the ID cards are issued, the authorities plan to require civilians to register their weapons with the police. At that time, they will take on the sensitive issue of who is allowed to keep guns in their homes. "We haven't decided to go house to house yet," General Khan said, "but we are studying how to do it." Officials said they hoped to carry out the program across the country. and: That compares with 100 reported cases of all serious crimes: robbery, murder, drug smuggling and the like in the last two months. "This is not a normal situation," Mr. Karim said. "When there are no guns in the hands of people, the number of robberies will decrease. Right now, it's a very difficult situation to control." **Huh?*** http://www.nytimes.com/2002/01/14/international/asia/14AFGH.html -- Love and peace, owlswan "Did you really think that we want those laws to be observed? . . . We want them broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts that you're up against - and then you'll know that this is not the age for beautiful gestures. We're after power and we mean it. . . . . There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted - and you create a nation of lawbreakers - and then you cash in on the guilt. Now that's the system, . . . that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with." From Atlas Shrugged, by Ayn Rand. Published by Penguin Boo January 14, 2002 INTERNATIONAL <http://www.nytimes.com/2002/01/14/international/asia/#> Kabul Takes Steps Toward Disarming Afghan Population By MARK LANDLER ABUL, Afghanistan, Jan. 13 - Starting Monday, people here whose jobs require them to carry guns will also have to carry government identification cards, the authorities said today. It is part of an ambitious plan by Afghanistan's interim rulers to end the ubiquity of weapons in this heavily armed society. Disarming Afghanistan's 24 million people is critical to restoring order in the country, according to Gen. Bismullah Khan, a Northern Alliance commander who oversees security in Kabul and its surrounding province. General Khan said that crime had spiked in Kabul in the chaotic aftermath of the Taliban rule, as Northern Alliance soldiers, militia members, irregular troops, security guards and any number of other people with guns roam this city. Traumatized by two decades of war and repression, the people of Kabul now face the more pedestrian, but equally lethal, dangers of banditry and car-jacking as well as the threat of death by violence. Once the ID cards are issued, the authorities plan to require civilians to register their weapons with the police. At that time, they will take on the sensitive issue of who is allowed to keep guns in their homes. "We haven't decided to go house to house yet," General Khan said, "but we are studying how to do it." Officials said they hoped to carry out the program across the country. Two men were arrested and confessed to having killed Walid Samadi. His body was dumped in a well in a remote part of the Shamali Valley, north of here. The soldiers said they had ordered him out of the car and shot him in the face, chest and back as he pleaded for his life. It is a tragic but hardly unusual story. From taxi drivers to school workers, everyone here seems to know a recent crime victim. "Whenever there is a knock at the door or a small noise outside, I jump," said Naima Samadi, as she huddled in her unheated home, cradling a photo of her slain son. "I am afraid that my other sons will be killed." The lawlessness extends beyond the capital. In southern Afghanistan, where the interim government has little control and the United States continues to bomb suspected hide- outs of Taliban fighters and Al Qaeda terrorists, the lack of security is hampering relief efforts. The United Nations has not been able to distribute food in Kandahar, the former stronghold of the Taliban, because of fears that armed bandits will attack its convoys and workers. "Security continues to be a significant obstacle to reaching people," said Jordan Dey, a spokesman for the World Food Program. Last week, Afghanistan's interim government took its first step to combat the lawlessness. It ordered between 300 and 400 Northern Alliance troops, who had been loitering in Kabul since the Taliban fled their advance on Nov. 9, to leave the city. Today, the interior minister, Yunus Qanooni, said the bulk of the soldiers had moved to barracks outside Kabul. Those still here are waiting for quarters to be readied. While Kabul is peaceful enough by day, there has been a surge in nighttime robberies by people wearing uniforms, some of whom claim to be looking for weapons or fugitive Taliban members. Abdul Karim, director of research for the Kabul Police, said there had been 15 such robberies during one week, from Dec. 30 to Jan. 6. That compares with 100 reported cases of all serious crimes: robbery, murder, drug smuggling and the like in the last two months. "This is not a normal situation," Mr. Karim said. "When there are no guns in the hands of people, the number of robberies will decrease. Right now, it's a very difficult situation to control." The police are also hopelessly outgunned. Mr. Karim said there were only 100 trained police officers in Kabul, constituting 30 percent of the force. The other 70 percent, some of them former soldiers, were hired off the street to help with assignments. "Our problem is that we lack the basic elements of a police department," Mr. Qanooni said. "It was completely destroyed by the Taliban. We must rebuild it from zero." While the government creates a new police force, the military is starting to confiscate weapons from troops no longer on active duty. Gen. Qalandar Big, who runs the main ammunition depot here, said he had collected 2,000 guns. General Big showed off a small collection of machine guns and rocket-propelled grenade launchers that he said came from Northern Alliance troops. But he became evasive when asked where the 2,000 weapons were, saying they had not yet been delivered to him. "We have not faced resistance," General Big said. "Most people in Afghanistan are in favor of turning in their weapons." Still, he noted that when the Taliban abandoned Kabul, they left very few weapons behind. Many of those people remain at large, in the rugged hills of eastern Afghanistan near the Pakistan border. They constitute another armed and dangerous group. Confiscating weapons from civilians poses its own difficulties. When the Taliban collected guns from families, for example, people often turned in one, while keeping a spare. Mr. Qanooni said the government would rather entice than compel people to surrender their weapons. The most basic solution, he said, would be to provide economic opportunities so that people no longer believed that they needed a gun to survive. "We need to give jobs to the mujahedeen," he said. Failing that, Mr. Qanooni said the government could offer to buy guns from their owners. "If we spent $200 million, we could buy all of them," he said. "Unfortunately, we do not have it." Perhaps the thorniest challenge is to break the cycle of violence in Afghanistan. The murder of Walid Samadi was the second violent death in his family; his eldest brother Farid, an engineering student, was killed by a shell during the Afghan civil war in 1994. Asked whether he wanted to carry a gun, Walid's younger brother, Habib, shook his head vigorously. "We don't like to carry weapons," he said. "We hate weapons." After looking at his grief-stricken mother, he added, "Of course it would be good for the security of our family." Copyright 2002 The New York Times Company | <http://www.nytimes.com/info/help/privacy.html>Privacy Information ************************************************************************** Subscribe to Freematt's Alerts: Pro-Individual Rights Issues Send a blank message to: freematt(a)coil.com with the words subscribe FA on the subject line. List is private and moderated (7-30 messages per week) Matthew Gaylor, (614) 313-5722 ICQ: 106212065 Archived at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fa/ **************************************************************************

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[liberationtech] jamming satellite phones in Homs
by oli 05 Jul '18

05 Jul '18

Hi, according to: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2012/03/20123175034166718.html "But communication with residents in the district was difficult. Electricity and phone lines have been cut off, and an activist from the Syrian Network for Human Rights told Al Jazeera that the government was using a new technology to jam satellite phone signals." Anyone any ideas what this "new technology" is? Oli _______________________________________________ liberationtech mailing list liberationtech(a)lists.stanford.edu Should you need to change your subscription options, please go to: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech If you would like to receive a daily digest, click "yes" (once you click above) next to "would you like to receive list mail batched in a daily digest?" You will need the user name and password you receive from the list moderator in monthly reminders. Should you need immediate assistance, please contact the list moderator. Please don't forget to follow us on http://twitter.com/#!/Liberationtech ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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