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Re: [HacDC:Byzantium] cjdns review
by Ben Mendis 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

To be specific, I don't think CJDNS is a bad technology. On the contrary, I think it is interesting and will have a valuable role in influencing then next few decades of the Internet. However it's not a replacement for the use cases that Byzantium Linux or Commotion Wireless try to address. While most of the CJDNS fanboys will try to tell you that CJDNS can replace Layer-3 routing (and they're not completely wrong) the problem is that it's not a practical alternative for our deployment model. Creating connections between nodes in CJDNS requires more collusion in that new nodes must know the correct public key and password to create a link with another existing node. This is good for security, but not conducive to the rapid and organic deployment that we're looking for. Furthermore, as a mobile node roams from one AP to the next, they would need to re-negotiate the link (and discover key/pw again) with each new AP. If the AP offers up some kind of layer-3 routing to other networks which have nodes (such as the Internet) then you don't have the re-negotiation problem. However, in our use case Internet access is not a guarantee. And what provides for that layer-3 routing anyways? We'll that's exactly what Byzantium and Commotion try to solve with OSLR or Babel or BATMAN. Furthermore, CJDNS doesn't route IPv4 traffic to the IPv4 Internet, at least not by itself. You would need to do some kind of 4-in-6 tunneling. Which is yet another layer of overhead and latency, and another "moving piece" that can fail and disrupt service for users. So based on my understanding of CJDNS, it's not a competing technology in our problem domain, although some of the functionality overlaps. And in certain cases, they are actually complimentary projects. CJDNS, in its typical and most practical deployment, is an overlay network. That means it needs an existing network to run on top of, and that's exactly what Byzantium or Commotion can provide. A couple of other points of interest I've come across. Starting with Wikipedia (I know it's not authoritative and often out of date). " The address is generated initially when a node is set up, through a brute-forced key generation process (keys are repeatedly generated until the result of double SHA-512 begins with 0xFC). This process is unique, as it guarantees cryptographically bound addresses (the double SHA-512 of the public key), sourced from random data (private key is random data, public key is the scalar multiplication of this data)." Two things. First of all, wouldn't brute-forcing the key generation exhaust the entropy available in /dev/random and force the use of less random bits from /dev/urandom? Also, don't the public/private keys need to be based on prime numbers, not just random numbers? The strength of RSA is the assumption that factorization of large _prime_ numbers is mathematically a hard problem to solve. This last part is probably just the Wiki-author's misunderstanding. I'm giving cjd the benefit of the doubt because he seems like he would know better. >From the projectmeshnet wiki. "While you can technically add as many as 255 peers, more is not better. The software likes to run with about 3 peers and will work fine even if only 1 of them is functioning. ~ CJD" A limitation of 255 peers seems arbitrary and actually quite low. I'm sure it would be fine for permanent infrastructure nodes, however it seems quite restrictive for mobile ad-hoc nodes which might roam in and out of range with dozens or hundreds of other nodes. I still think CDJNS is a cool project and I'm keeping an eye on it, just not for rapid deployment in disaster relief scenarios. The usability cost, while modest compared to alternative overlay networks, is still quite high in comparison to the solution we have been building. Hypothetically, we could make CJDNS just as automatic, but in the process we would be discarding some of the security benefits it's trying to achieve. No one tool is a panacea for the problems facing the Internet. The use cases we are facing today are so diverse that no single solution can encompass them all. Projects like CJDNS and Byzantium are successful because they focus on solving one chunk of the problem space and doing it as well as possible without getting distracted by every shiny use case that comes along. We also benefit from adherence to standards and best practices that allow us to interoperate with the other projects that are solving other chunks of the problem space. That's my $0.02. Ben the Pyrate On 11/26/2012 09:25 AM, Eugen Leitl wrote: > Guys, can you give me the beef with what you think > is wrong with cjdns' design? Please make sure to > look at the latest work, including L2 transport. > > I'll forward your comments to cjd. > ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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[Zero-Knowledge Press Release] Royal Bank To Test Zero-Knowledge
by Dov Smith 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

Systems' Internet Privacy & Sec urity Tools For Home Use Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:05:49 -0400 Sender: owner-zks-press(a)zeroknowledge.com Reply-To: press(a)zeroknowledge.com ================================================================== Zero-Knowledge Systems Press Release, http://www.zeroknowledge.com ================================================================== FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE ROYAL BANK TO TEST ZERO-KNOWLEDGE SYSTEMS' INTERNET PRIVACY AND SECURITY TOOLS FOR HOME USE -Select Royal Bank customers to receive Zero-Knowledge Systems' Freedom Privacy & Security Tools- Montreal, Quebec- August 15, 2001-Zero-Knowledge Systems today announced that Royal Bank will begin a six-month pilot program in the fall offering selected customers the opportunity to try privacy and security tools for personal use with their computers at home. The award-winning Freedom software will allow users to secure different aspects of their Internet experience, such as alerting them of unauthorized attempts to connect to their personal computer, simplifying registrations when shopping online, preventing activity-tracking "cookies" from being stored on their computer, and sending personal information only when it's the consumer's choice. "We've designed tools that average consumers can use in their own homes, to give them greater control over how they share their personal information when they do business, surf, or shop on the Internet," said Hamnett Hill, Executive Vice President at Zero-Knowledge Systems. "Companies like Royal Bank have robust privacy and security measures in place for their web-based financial services. Our privacy tools give consumers added confidence when they enter the open marketplace of the Internet." Zero-Knowledge, which has been providing security and privacy enabling technologies and services for the past two years, is partnering with OEMs (Original Equipment Manufacturers), ISPs (Internet Service Providers) and now financial institutions like Royal Bank to make their privacy and security tools available for distribution to customers. "We're pleased to make our privacy and security tools available through organizations that want to help increase their customers' positive experiences online," Hill added. "Our clients have come to trust the privacy and security of their information with Royal Bank when doing their banking online. We want to bring tools that offer privacy and security to other parts of their online experiences," said Peter Cullen, Corporate Privacy Officer at Royal Bank. As part of a direct mailing in the fall, Royal Bank will offer Zero-Knowledge's Freedom Privacy & Security Tools for free to selected current and potential online banking customers. Based on customer feedback, Royal Bank will consider offering the tools to all its customers next spring 2002. Cullen added: "People want more choice and control over what they reveal about themselves online. Royal Bank continues to work on many fronts to help customers feel more comfortable using new technology for their everyday needs, such as shopping and banking online. The easy-to-use tools developed by Zero-Knowledge put additional control over privacy and security in the hands of the consumer." About Zero-Knowledge Systems, Inc. Zero-Knowledge Systems (www.zeroknowledge.com) is a provider of security and privacy software and services. Zero-Knowledge equips Global 2000 organizations with the software and expertise to manage the security and privacy of corporate and customer information assets, build brand around consumer trust, and lower the cost of complying with global privacy regulations and industry standards. Headquartered in Montreal with offices in Redwood City, California, the company's suite of products includes the Privacy Rights Management Center for secure and private management of customer and corporate data within organizations; the Zero-Knowledge Gateway for secure and private corporate Internet activities and communications; and the Freedom Privacy & Security Tools for personal privacy and security online. Journalists can visit the online pressroom at www.zeroknowledge.com/media. About Royal Bank Royal Bank of Canada (RY) is a diversified financial services company. It provides personal and commercial banking, wealth management services, insurance, corporate and investment banking, and transaction processing on a global basis. The company employs more than 57,000 people who serve more than 10 million personal, business and public sector customers in North America and in some 30 countries around the world. For more information, please visit www.royalbank.com. (Freedom(r) and Zero-Knowledge(r) are trademarks of Zero-Knowledge Systems, Inc. These trademarks may be registered in certain jurisdictions. All other trademarks are sole property of their respective owners.) For further information, please contact: Dov Smith Zero-Knowledge Systems 514.350.7553 dov(a)zeroknowledge.com Sara Best Royal Bank Media Relations 416.974.2124 ________________________________ Dov Smith Director of Public Relations Zero-Knowledge Systems, Inc. T 514.350.7553 F 514.286.2755 mailto:dov@zeroknowledge.com www.zeroknowledge.com/media ________________________________ --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' --------------------------------------------------------------------- The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe cryptography" to majordomo(a)wasabisystems.com

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Re: Public Key Infrastructure: An Artifact...
by None 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

I would like to get further information as to why you don't think revocation does not work? I'll admit that in the case of the revocation of Sun's certificates, it was very apparent that the notification process was weak. The other piece, the browser checking of expired/revoked certificates is non-existent but if you properly set up your application, it "should" check the revocation status of both the CA certificate and the subscriber's certificate. Your thoughts? Bram Cohen wrote: > On Wed, 22 Nov 2000 Lynn.Wheeler(a)firstdata.com wrote: > > > the other scenerio that some certification agencies have expressed (i.e. > > licensing bureaus, bbb, consumer report, etc operations) is that in the online > > world ... that they would provide an online service .... rather than > > certificates designed for an offline world. > > Yes, it seems fairly well established that revocations just plain don't > work. > > Once again, the solution to the problems of offline operation appears to > be online operation. > > -Bram Cohen > > For help on using this list (especially unsubscribing), send a message to > "dcsb-request(a)reservoir.com" with one line of text: "help".

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[Zero-Knowledge Press Release] Royal Bank To Test Zero-Knowledge
by Dov Smith 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

Systems' Internet Privacy & Sec urity Tools For Home Use Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:05:49 -0400 Sender: owner-zks-press(a)zeroknowledge.com Reply-To: press(a)zeroknowledge.com ================================================================== Zero-Knowledge Systems Press Release, http://www.zeroknowledge.com ================================================================== FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE ROYAL BANK TO TEST ZERO-KNOWLEDGE SYSTEMS' INTERNET PRIVACY AND SECURITY TOOLS FOR HOME USE -Select Royal Bank customers to receive Zero-Knowledge Systems' Freedom Privacy & Security Tools- Montreal, Quebec- August 15, 2001-Zero-Knowledge Systems today announced that Royal Bank will begin a six-month pilot program in the fall offering selected customers the opportunity to try privacy and security tools for personal use with their computers at home. The award-winning Freedom software will allow users to secure different aspects of their Internet experience, such as alerting them of unauthorized attempts to connect to their personal computer, simplifying registrations when shopping online, preventing activity-tracking "cookies" from being stored on their computer, and sending personal information only when it's the consumer's choice. "We've designed tools that average consumers can use in their own homes, to give them greater control over how they share their personal information when they do business, surf, or shop on the Internet," said Hamnett Hill, Executive Vice President at Zero-Knowledge Systems. "Companies like Royal Bank have robust privacy and security measures in place for their web-based financial services. Our privacy tools give consumers added confidence when they enter the open marketplace of the Internet." Zero-Knowledge, which has been providing security and privacy enabling technologies and services for the past two years, is partnering with OEMs (Original Equipment Manufacturers), ISPs (Internet Service Providers) and now financial institutions like Royal Bank to make their privacy and security tools available for distribution to customers. "We're pleased to make our privacy and security tools available through organizations that want to help increase their customers' positive experiences online," Hill added. "Our clients have come to trust the privacy and security of their information with Royal Bank when doing their banking online. We want to bring tools that offer privacy and security to other parts of their online experiences," said Peter Cullen, Corporate Privacy Officer at Royal Bank. As part of a direct mailing in the fall, Royal Bank will offer Zero-Knowledge's Freedom Privacy & Security Tools for free to selected current and potential online banking customers. Based on customer feedback, Royal Bank will consider offering the tools to all its customers next spring 2002. Cullen added: "People want more choice and control over what they reveal about themselves online. Royal Bank continues to work on many fronts to help customers feel more comfortable using new technology for their everyday needs, such as shopping and banking online. The easy-to-use tools developed by Zero-Knowledge put additional control over privacy and security in the hands of the consumer." About Zero-Knowledge Systems, Inc. Zero-Knowledge Systems (www.zeroknowledge.com) is a provider of security and privacy software and services. Zero-Knowledge equips Global 2000 organizations with the software and expertise to manage the security and privacy of corporate and customer information assets, build brand around consumer trust, and lower the cost of complying with global privacy regulations and industry standards. Headquartered in Montreal with offices in Redwood City, California, the company's suite of products includes the Privacy Rights Management Center for secure and private management of customer and corporate data within organizations; the Zero-Knowledge Gateway for secure and private corporate Internet activities and communications; and the Freedom Privacy & Security Tools for personal privacy and security online. Journalists can visit the online pressroom at www.zeroknowledge.com/media. About Royal Bank Royal Bank of Canada (RY) is a diversified financial services company. It provides personal and commercial banking, wealth management services, insurance, corporate and investment banking, and transaction processing on a global basis. The company employs more than 57,000 people who serve more than 10 million personal, business and public sector customers in North America and in some 30 countries around the world. For more information, please visit www.royalbank.com. (Freedom(r) and Zero-Knowledge(r) are trademarks of Zero-Knowledge Systems, Inc. These trademarks may be registered in certain jurisdictions. All other trademarks are sole property of their respective owners.) For further information, please contact: Dov Smith Zero-Knowledge Systems 514.350.7553 dov(a)zeroknowledge.com Sara Best Royal Bank Media Relations 416.974.2124 ________________________________ Dov Smith Director of Public Relations Zero-Knowledge Systems, Inc. T 514.350.7553 F 514.286.2755 mailto:dov@zeroknowledge.com www.zeroknowledge.com/media ________________________________ --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' --------------------------------------------------------------------- The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe cryptography" to majordomo(a)wasabisystems.com

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Re: Public Key Infrastructure: An Artifact...
by None 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

I would like to get further information as to why you don't think revocation does not work? I'll admit that in the case of the revocation of Sun's certificates, it was very apparent that the notification process was weak. The other piece, the browser checking of expired/revoked certificates is non-existent but if you properly set up your application, it "should" check the revocation status of both the CA certificate and the subscriber's certificate. Your thoughts? Bram Cohen wrote: > On Wed, 22 Nov 2000 Lynn.Wheeler(a)firstdata.com wrote: > > > the other scenerio that some certification agencies have expressed (i.e. > > licensing bureaus, bbb, consumer report, etc operations) is that in the online > > world ... that they would provide an online service .... rather than > > certificates designed for an offline world. > > Yes, it seems fairly well established that revocations just plain don't > work. > > Once again, the solution to the problems of offline operation appears to > be online operation. > > -Bram Cohen > > For help on using this list (especially unsubscribing), send a message to > "dcsb-request(a)reservoir.com" with one line of text: "help".

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[Zero-Knowledge Press Release] Royal Bank To Test Zero-Knowledge
by Dov Smith 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

Systems' Internet Privacy & Sec urity Tools For Home Use Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:05:49 -0400 Sender: owner-zks-press(a)zeroknowledge.com Reply-To: press(a)zeroknowledge.com ================================================================== Zero-Knowledge Systems Press Release, http://www.zeroknowledge.com ================================================================== FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE ROYAL BANK TO TEST ZERO-KNOWLEDGE SYSTEMS' INTERNET PRIVACY AND SECURITY TOOLS FOR HOME USE -Select Royal Bank customers to receive Zero-Knowledge Systems' Freedom Privacy & Security Tools- Montreal, Quebec- August 15, 2001-Zero-Knowledge Systems today announced that Royal Bank will begin a six-month pilot program in the fall offering selected customers the opportunity to try privacy and security tools for personal use with their computers at home. The award-winning Freedom software will allow users to secure different aspects of their Internet experience, such as alerting them of unauthorized attempts to connect to their personal computer, simplifying registrations when shopping online, preventing activity-tracking "cookies" from being stored on their computer, and sending personal information only when it's the consumer's choice. "We've designed tools that average consumers can use in their own homes, to give them greater control over how they share their personal information when they do business, surf, or shop on the Internet," said Hamnett Hill, Executive Vice President at Zero-Knowledge Systems. "Companies like Royal Bank have robust privacy and security measures in place for their web-based financial services. Our privacy tools give consumers added confidence when they enter the open marketplace of the Internet." Zero-Knowledge, which has been providing security and privacy enabling technologies and services for the past two years, is partnering with OEMs (Original Equipment Manufacturers), ISPs (Internet Service Providers) and now financial institutions like Royal Bank to make their privacy and security tools available for distribution to customers. "We're pleased to make our privacy and security tools available through organizations that want to help increase their customers' positive experiences online," Hill added. "Our clients have come to trust the privacy and security of their information with Royal Bank when doing their banking online. We want to bring tools that offer privacy and security to other parts of their online experiences," said Peter Cullen, Corporate Privacy Officer at Royal Bank. As part of a direct mailing in the fall, Royal Bank will offer Zero-Knowledge's Freedom Privacy & Security Tools for free to selected current and potential online banking customers. Based on customer feedback, Royal Bank will consider offering the tools to all its customers next spring 2002. Cullen added: "People want more choice and control over what they reveal about themselves online. Royal Bank continues to work on many fronts to help customers feel more comfortable using new technology for their everyday needs, such as shopping and banking online. The easy-to-use tools developed by Zero-Knowledge put additional control over privacy and security in the hands of the consumer." About Zero-Knowledge Systems, Inc. Zero-Knowledge Systems (www.zeroknowledge.com) is a provider of security and privacy software and services. Zero-Knowledge equips Global 2000 organizations with the software and expertise to manage the security and privacy of corporate and customer information assets, build brand around consumer trust, and lower the cost of complying with global privacy regulations and industry standards. Headquartered in Montreal with offices in Redwood City, California, the company's suite of products includes the Privacy Rights Management Center for secure and private management of customer and corporate data within organizations; the Zero-Knowledge Gateway for secure and private corporate Internet activities and communications; and the Freedom Privacy & Security Tools for personal privacy and security online. Journalists can visit the online pressroom at www.zeroknowledge.com/media. About Royal Bank Royal Bank of Canada (RY) is a diversified financial services company. It provides personal and commercial banking, wealth management services, insurance, corporate and investment banking, and transaction processing on a global basis. The company employs more than 57,000 people who serve more than 10 million personal, business and public sector customers in North America and in some 30 countries around the world. For more information, please visit www.royalbank.com. (Freedom(r) and Zero-Knowledge(r) are trademarks of Zero-Knowledge Systems, Inc. These trademarks may be registered in certain jurisdictions. All other trademarks are sole property of their respective owners.) For further information, please contact: Dov Smith Zero-Knowledge Systems 514.350.7553 dov(a)zeroknowledge.com Sara Best Royal Bank Media Relations 416.974.2124 ________________________________ Dov Smith Director of Public Relations Zero-Knowledge Systems, Inc. T 514.350.7553 F 514.286.2755 mailto:dov@zeroknowledge.com www.zeroknowledge.com/media ________________________________ --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' --------------------------------------------------------------------- The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe cryptography" to majordomo(a)wasabisystems.com

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Re: Public Key Infrastructure: An Artifact...
by None 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

I would like to get further information as to why you don't think revocation does not work? I'll admit that in the case of the revocation of Sun's certificates, it was very apparent that the notification process was weak. The other piece, the browser checking of expired/revoked certificates is non-existent but if you properly set up your application, it "should" check the revocation status of both the CA certificate and the subscriber's certificate. Your thoughts? Bram Cohen wrote: > On Wed, 22 Nov 2000 Lynn.Wheeler(a)firstdata.com wrote: > > > the other scenerio that some certification agencies have expressed (i.e. > > licensing bureaus, bbb, consumer report, etc operations) is that in the online > > world ... that they would provide an online service .... rather than > > certificates designed for an offline world. > > Yes, it seems fairly well established that revocations just plain don't > work. > > Once again, the solution to the problems of offline operation appears to > be online operation. > > -Bram Cohen > > For help on using this list (especially unsubscribing), send a message to > "dcsb-request(a)reservoir.com" with one line of text: "help".

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[Zero-Knowledge Press Release] Royal Bank To Test Zero-Knowledge
by Dov Smith 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

Systems' Internet Privacy & Sec urity Tools For Home Use Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:05:49 -0400 Sender: owner-zks-press(a)zeroknowledge.com Reply-To: press(a)zeroknowledge.com ================================================================== Zero-Knowledge Systems Press Release, http://www.zeroknowledge.com ================================================================== FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE ROYAL BANK TO TEST ZERO-KNOWLEDGE SYSTEMS' INTERNET PRIVACY AND SECURITY TOOLS FOR HOME USE -Select Royal Bank customers to receive Zero-Knowledge Systems' Freedom Privacy & Security Tools- Montreal, Quebec- August 15, 2001-Zero-Knowledge Systems today announced that Royal Bank will begin a six-month pilot program in the fall offering selected customers the opportunity to try privacy and security tools for personal use with their computers at home. The award-winning Freedom software will allow users to secure different aspects of their Internet experience, such as alerting them of unauthorized attempts to connect to their personal computer, simplifying registrations when shopping online, preventing activity-tracking "cookies" from being stored on their computer, and sending personal information only when it's the consumer's choice. "We've designed tools that average consumers can use in their own homes, to give them greater control over how they share their personal information when they do business, surf, or shop on the Internet," said Hamnett Hill, Executive Vice President at Zero-Knowledge Systems. "Companies like Royal Bank have robust privacy and security measures in place for their web-based financial services. Our privacy tools give consumers added confidence when they enter the open marketplace of the Internet." Zero-Knowledge, which has been providing security and privacy enabling technologies and services for the past two years, is partnering with OEMs (Original Equipment Manufacturers), ISPs (Internet Service Providers) and now financial institutions like Royal Bank to make their privacy and security tools available for distribution to customers. "We're pleased to make our privacy and security tools available through organizations that want to help increase their customers' positive experiences online," Hill added. "Our clients have come to trust the privacy and security of their information with Royal Bank when doing their banking online. We want to bring tools that offer privacy and security to other parts of their online experiences," said Peter Cullen, Corporate Privacy Officer at Royal Bank. As part of a direct mailing in the fall, Royal Bank will offer Zero-Knowledge's Freedom Privacy & Security Tools for free to selected current and potential online banking customers. Based on customer feedback, Royal Bank will consider offering the tools to all its customers next spring 2002. Cullen added: "People want more choice and control over what they reveal about themselves online. Royal Bank continues to work on many fronts to help customers feel more comfortable using new technology for their everyday needs, such as shopping and banking online. The easy-to-use tools developed by Zero-Knowledge put additional control over privacy and security in the hands of the consumer." About Zero-Knowledge Systems, Inc. Zero-Knowledge Systems (www.zeroknowledge.com) is a provider of security and privacy software and services. Zero-Knowledge equips Global 2000 organizations with the software and expertise to manage the security and privacy of corporate and customer information assets, build brand around consumer trust, and lower the cost of complying with global privacy regulations and industry standards. Headquartered in Montreal with offices in Redwood City, California, the company's suite of products includes the Privacy Rights Management Center for secure and private management of customer and corporate data within organizations; the Zero-Knowledge Gateway for secure and private corporate Internet activities and communications; and the Freedom Privacy & Security Tools for personal privacy and security online. Journalists can visit the online pressroom at www.zeroknowledge.com/media. About Royal Bank Royal Bank of Canada (RY) is a diversified financial services company. It provides personal and commercial banking, wealth management services, insurance, corporate and investment banking, and transaction processing on a global basis. The company employs more than 57,000 people who serve more than 10 million personal, business and public sector customers in North America and in some 30 countries around the world. For more information, please visit www.royalbank.com. (Freedom(r) and Zero-Knowledge(r) are trademarks of Zero-Knowledge Systems, Inc. These trademarks may be registered in certain jurisdictions. All other trademarks are sole property of their respective owners.) For further information, please contact: Dov Smith Zero-Knowledge Systems 514.350.7553 dov(a)zeroknowledge.com Sara Best Royal Bank Media Relations 416.974.2124 ________________________________ Dov Smith Director of Public Relations Zero-Knowledge Systems, Inc. T 514.350.7553 F 514.286.2755 mailto:dov@zeroknowledge.com www.zeroknowledge.com/media ________________________________ --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' --------------------------------------------------------------------- The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe cryptography" to majordomo(a)wasabisystems.com

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Re: Public Key Infrastructure: An Artifact...
by None 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

I would like to get further information as to why you don't think revocation does not work? I'll admit that in the case of the revocation of Sun's certificates, it was very apparent that the notification process was weak. The other piece, the browser checking of expired/revoked certificates is non-existent but if you properly set up your application, it "should" check the revocation status of both the CA certificate and the subscriber's certificate. Your thoughts? Bram Cohen wrote: > On Wed, 22 Nov 2000 Lynn.Wheeler(a)firstdata.com wrote: > > > the other scenerio that some certification agencies have expressed (i.e. > > licensing bureaus, bbb, consumer report, etc operations) is that in the online > > world ... that they would provide an online service .... rather than > > certificates designed for an offline world. > > Yes, it seems fairly well established that revocations just plain don't > work. > > Once again, the solution to the problems of offline operation appears to > be online operation. > > -Bram Cohen > > For help on using this list (especially unsubscribing), send a message to > "dcsb-request(a)reservoir.com" with one line of text: "help".

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[Zero-Knowledge Press Release] Royal Bank To Test Zero-Knowledge
by Dov Smith 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

Systems' Internet Privacy & Sec urity Tools For Home Use Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:05:49 -0400 Sender: owner-zks-press(a)zeroknowledge.com Reply-To: press(a)zeroknowledge.com ================================================================== Zero-Knowledge Systems Press Release, http://www.zeroknowledge.com ================================================================== FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE ROYAL BANK TO TEST ZERO-KNOWLEDGE SYSTEMS' INTERNET PRIVACY AND SECURITY TOOLS FOR HOME USE -Select Royal Bank customers to receive Zero-Knowledge Systems' Freedom Privacy & Security Tools- Montreal, Quebec- August 15, 2001-Zero-Knowledge Systems today announced that Royal Bank will begin a six-month pilot program in the fall offering selected customers the opportunity to try privacy and security tools for personal use with their computers at home. The award-winning Freedom software will allow users to secure different aspects of their Internet experience, such as alerting them of unauthorized attempts to connect to their personal computer, simplifying registrations when shopping online, preventing activity-tracking "cookies" from being stored on their computer, and sending personal information only when it's the consumer's choice. "We've designed tools that average consumers can use in their own homes, to give them greater control over how they share their personal information when they do business, surf, or shop on the Internet," said Hamnett Hill, Executive Vice President at Zero-Knowledge Systems. "Companies like Royal Bank have robust privacy and security measures in place for their web-based financial services. Our privacy tools give consumers added confidence when they enter the open marketplace of the Internet." Zero-Knowledge, which has been providing security and privacy enabling technologies and services for the past two years, is partnering with OEMs (Original Equipment Manufacturers), ISPs (Internet Service Providers) and now financial institutions like Royal Bank to make their privacy and security tools available for distribution to customers. "We're pleased to make our privacy and security tools available through organizations that want to help increase their customers' positive experiences online," Hill added. "Our clients have come to trust the privacy and security of their information with Royal Bank when doing their banking online. We want to bring tools that offer privacy and security to other parts of their online experiences," said Peter Cullen, Corporate Privacy Officer at Royal Bank. As part of a direct mailing in the fall, Royal Bank will offer Zero-Knowledge's Freedom Privacy & Security Tools for free to selected current and potential online banking customers. Based on customer feedback, Royal Bank will consider offering the tools to all its customers next spring 2002. Cullen added: "People want more choice and control over what they reveal about themselves online. Royal Bank continues to work on many fronts to help customers feel more comfortable using new technology for their everyday needs, such as shopping and banking online. The easy-to-use tools developed by Zero-Knowledge put additional control over privacy and security in the hands of the consumer." About Zero-Knowledge Systems, Inc. Zero-Knowledge Systems (www.zeroknowledge.com) is a provider of security and privacy software and services. Zero-Knowledge equips Global 2000 organizations with the software and expertise to manage the security and privacy of corporate and customer information assets, build brand around consumer trust, and lower the cost of complying with global privacy regulations and industry standards. Headquartered in Montreal with offices in Redwood City, California, the company's suite of products includes the Privacy Rights Management Center for secure and private management of customer and corporate data within organizations; the Zero-Knowledge Gateway for secure and private corporate Internet activities and communications; and the Freedom Privacy & Security Tools for personal privacy and security online. Journalists can visit the online pressroom at www.zeroknowledge.com/media. About Royal Bank Royal Bank of Canada (RY) is a diversified financial services company. It provides personal and commercial banking, wealth management services, insurance, corporate and investment banking, and transaction processing on a global basis. The company employs more than 57,000 people who serve more than 10 million personal, business and public sector customers in North America and in some 30 countries around the world. For more information, please visit www.royalbank.com. (Freedom(r) and Zero-Knowledge(r) are trademarks of Zero-Knowledge Systems, Inc. These trademarks may be registered in certain jurisdictions. All other trademarks are sole property of their respective owners.) For further information, please contact: Dov Smith Zero-Knowledge Systems 514.350.7553 dov(a)zeroknowledge.com Sara Best Royal Bank Media Relations 416.974.2124 ________________________________ Dov Smith Director of Public Relations Zero-Knowledge Systems, Inc. T 514.350.7553 F 514.286.2755 mailto:dov@zeroknowledge.com www.zeroknowledge.com/media ________________________________ --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. 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