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Re: POST: The Frightening Dangers of Moderation
by Jerry Basham 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- > From: Dale Thorn <dthorn(a)gte.net> > To: Jerry Basham <2ndSun(a)bigfoot.com> > Cc: cypherpunks(a)toad.com; freedom-knights(a)jetcafe.org > Subject: Re: POST: The Frightening Dangers of Moderation > Date: Saturday, February 08, 1997 7:48 PM > > Jerry Basham wrote: > > > Ok...this is the fourth junk e-mail I've received that I don't want. Your > > account is in jeapordy, and my advice is for you to just stop sending me > > this junk. Take me off your e-mail list, NOW. > > If this e-mail from me, being mad at you, is what makes you happy, and is > > how you have fun, then you just have a personal problem and I feel sorry > > for you. > > Do what you can to heal yourself...meanwhile, don't send me anymore...your > > isp provider is next on my e-mail list. > > Jerry, my provider is GTE, and if you think you can make a dent in > them, go ahead and butt your head against the wall. No sweat offa > my ass. > > OTOH, if you stop bitching and groaning long enough to figure out > who is doing the remailing etc., then you'll be miles ahead. I'm > not optimistic. >

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Email forgery
by Mark M. 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- This is a very strange forgery. It appears that the attacker used fcaglp.fcaglp.unlp.edu.ar as a relay. This machine is running an old version of HP sendmail that apparently accepts any hostname the user enters after "helo". I tried sending myself fakemail using this site but haven't got a response yet. The interesting thing is that the attacker used the hostname echotech.com and not iquest.net. echotech.com is a real domain so the attacker might have been dumb enough to connect from echotech.com and enter the real origin. Or the SMTP server might just pretend it's fooled and put the real hostname in the received header regardless of what's entered after the helo. I'm not familiar with HP sendmail so I don't know whether this is true or not. On Sun, 9 Feb 1997, Bovine Remailer wrote: > Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 08:42:45 -0500 (EST) > From: Bovine Remailer <haystack(a)holy.cow.net> > To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com > > NEW ATTACK ON CP LIST > > > >Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 03:55:04 -0500 > >From: Linda Thompson <lindat(a)iquest.net> > >To: robert(a)iquest.net > >Cc: aen-news(a)aen.org > >Subject: URGENT > > > >Someone is sending THREATS to the President and Senate and using *MY* > >name > >and account to do it. One bounced and was sent to me. You should be > >able > >to find out where it came from by the message I.D. I think it is > >EXTREMELY > >important that you find out where this came from!! > > > >Also, earlier in the day, I got a message that I was subscribed by > >"majordomo" to cypherpunks. I did NOT subscribe to cypherpunks and I > >would > >bet that whoever did THAT also sent this message. > > > >Here's the threat message: > > > >Return-Path: <MAILER-DAEMON(a)fcaglp.fcaglp.unlp.edu.ar> > >Delivered-To: lindat(a)iquest.net > >Received: (qmail 29848 invoked from network); 9 Feb 1997 02:51:40 -0000 > >Received: from fcaglp.fcaglp.unlp.edu.ar (163.10.4.1) > > by iquest3.iquest.net with SMTP; 9 Feb 1997 02:51:40 -0000 > >Received: by fcaglp.fcaglp.unlp.edu.ar > > (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AI19659; Sat, 8 Feb 1997 23:49:27 -0300 > >Message-Id: <9702090249.AI19659(a)fcaglp.fcaglp.unlp.edu.ar> > >Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 05:12:37 -0300 > >From: MAILER-DAEMON(a)fcaglp.fcaglp.unlp.edu.ar (Mail Delivery Subsystem) > >Subject: Returned mail: User unknown > >To: lindat(a)iquest.net > >X-UIDL: 85c7fe8ecdc2605eb6bc80bfa71b223e > >Status: U > > > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > >550 xfAA16374: line 6: vice-president(a)whitehouse.gov... User unknown > > > > ----- Unsent message follows ----- > >Received: from echotech.com by fcaglp.fcaglp.unlp.edu.ar with SMTP > > (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA16374; Sat, 8 Feb 1997 05:12:37 -0300 > >Message-Id: <9702080812.AA16374(a)fcaglp.fcaglp.unlp.edu.ar> > >Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 05:12:37 -0300 > >From: lindat(a)iquest.net > >Return-Path: <lindat(a)iquest.net> [recipient list deleted] > >Reply-To: lindat(a)iquest.net > >Return-Receipt-To: lindat(a)iquest.net > >Comment: Authenticated sender is <lindat(a)iquest.net> > >Subject: message to USSA Senate > > > >All files on the Senate's computers will be deleted by our > >gang of cypherpunks dedicated to the eradication of your systems. Mark -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3 Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBMv4meizIPc7jvyFpAQFu/ggAoap+9UBSbtitcQuGL3Og5u1nQRJhaviV BJqXC0ZwNBKCEeVQm3HIME47eqB8JVite2YBvyXZbj/QAsFQAEY1k4oJlfn5tCLE w/ifDrqeQhFWXtNC64iRFJm7EEOMDJ56rNVUA8NkKJZstl8ny/7LTFeTDGxf18gL nQVHJ447I5B0WVQt42F1Gfcmxh3bPjbZXd8TRKSKjhuBfqum8916dlXso1hB3WaC TSYIHa3R33HmwYA2xtDJ6ZJwtlPF/wPkVIYgbhrt+S6SPGfa+yEUnCE72qceo3eh 1imu97YBiP0EPveEdD5yIlH23rZRbCJ9RmDrZruCY2ldG1wJh3+6Jg== =psFL -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: POST: The Frightening Dangers of Moderation
by Jerry Basham 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- > From: Dale Thorn <dthorn(a)gte.net> > To: Jerry Basham <2ndSun(a)bigfoot.com> > Cc: cypherpunks(a)toad.com; freedom-knights(a)jetcafe.org > Subject: Re: POST: The Frightening Dangers of Moderation > Date: Saturday, February 08, 1997 7:48 PM > > Jerry Basham wrote: > > > Ok...this is the fourth junk e-mail I've received that I don't want. Your > > account is in jeapordy, and my advice is for you to just stop sending me > > this junk. Take me off your e-mail list, NOW. > > If this e-mail from me, being mad at you, is what makes you happy, and is > > how you have fun, then you just have a personal problem and I feel sorry > > for you. > > Do what you can to heal yourself...meanwhile, don't send me anymore...your > > isp provider is next on my e-mail list. > > Jerry, my provider is GTE, and if you think you can make a dent in > them, go ahead and butt your head against the wall. No sweat offa > my ass. > > OTOH, if you stop bitching and groaning long enough to figure out > who is doing the remailing etc., then you'll be miles ahead. I'm > not optimistic. >

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Indiana judge extends gag order to the Net, from TNNN
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 06:31:28 -0800 (PST) From: Declan McCullagh <declan(a)well.com> To: fight-censorship(a)vorlon.mit.edu Subject: Indiana judge extends gag order to the Net, from TNNN The Netly News Network http://netlynews.com/ Gag On This by Declan McCullagh (declan(a)well.com) February 10, 1997 The point of moving a trial or selecting a jury from a distant county is, of course, to prevent jurors from being influenced by the local media and opinions of the nearby community. But what if the media are global and the community is virtual? That enigma is causing problems for an Indiana couple on trial for reckless homicide in the November 1995 death of their son from meningitis. Bill and Sarah Planck had hoped to demonstrate their innocence through the Net, and so another son created a web site with documents from a counter-lawsuit filed against the county welfare agencies and sheriff's department, detailing how police threatened and intimidated the family. Now the judge presiding over their criminal trial has ordered the Plancks to pull the plug on the site. Madison County judge Fredrick Spencer told me he extended an existing gag order to the Internet because the tort claim notice could influence jurors. "We went two counties away to get the jury. But people in Randolph County have computers and America Online. So to avoid any possible problem, I ordered them to take it off," Spencer said. Spencer says the order was necessary to preserve the integrity of the trial. "It's only the trial that I'm concerned with," he said. "If I don't do what I can, I risk having to do [the trial] over again." Yet as soon as the Plancks yanked the documents offline on January 27, copies sprouted on the web site of a supporter -- beyond the reach of Judge Spencer. Who's right, Spencer or the Plancks? I posed that question to David Post, a professor at Georgetown Law School. "Gag orders may in a way be a thing of the past," he replied. "It becomes an enforcement dilemma with respect to the Internet. It's a hell of a lot easier to enforce that gag order [locally]. You really only have to keep your eye on a very small number of dissemination vehicles," Post said. "Gag orders are violated on occasion, but by and large you have some confidence that they'll be respected. Obviously you can't anymore." Gag orders stem from the right to an impartial jury. "We think that sometimes -- rarely, but sometimes -- that can best be accomplished by controlling the kind of information potential jurors might see. The Net deforms the landscape," Post said. Katharine Liell, the Plancks' attorney, was reluctant to discuss the case for fear of violating the gag order -- which covers her as well. "I'm uncertain what I can and can't say due to the vagueness of the gag order," she said. "Gag orders are supposed to be specific in nature, but I don't understand the nature or breadth of this gag order so I'm not comfortable commenting at this time." The legal question at issue in this prosecution is whether the Plancks are guilty of four felony charges, including reckless homicide and involuntary manslaughter, in the death of Lance Planck from pneumococcal meningitis. The verdict may depend on the answer to one question: Did the Plancks wait too long to call 911? More than the couple, however, is on trial. The case also reveals how a child protection agency can be used as a weapon to threaten parents and divide a family. The mirrored documents tell a sad story of a poor family who lived in a trailer park and home-schooled their eight children, and their long-standing battle with Madison County social workers. The first salvo came in 1992, when a social worker visited the Planck home to investigate the children's alleged vision problems. Based on that visit, a judge ordered that their eyes be examined. A month later, police invaded the Planck home and forcibly removed the children. The tort notice describes other encouters, including tear gas canisters lobbed into their home and warrantless arrests. "I've known the Plancks for a long time," said Brent Tobin, an electrical engineer who mirrored the web site. "I've lived in the town all my life. I know there's nothing going on there. The deputy prosecutor made them out to be religious weirdos, but they're not." "I put up the web site since I don't feel that the county government should have jurisdiction over the World Wide Web. I think there should be freedom of speech. I feel gag orders are a violation of rights," Tobin said. For his part, Judge Spencer emphasized that his gag order "expires at the end of the case. Free speech is an important right and I'm going to be the last person to have a problem with it." What about the mirror site? Has his order accomplished anything? "The Planck supporters are going to put it on there," Spencer replied. "If you're suggesting that I'm tilting at windmills, perhaps you're right." ###

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BCQ B/\ACTb COBKAM!!!
by Secret Squirrel 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

COBKU rule!!!

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sci.crypt archive?
by Paul Rubin 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Is anyone on cypherpunks archiving sci.crypt? I'd be interested in getting hold of some articles from some years back... thanks

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Re: Who's Censoring Who?
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

To Thorn and Cuckoo (great juxtaposition): Your exhortation and rhetoric are deft, but I'm not ready to take sides just yet. In fact, I can't figure what the sides are, if any, in this anti-herd of caterwauling anarchic cats. Instead, I'm relishing and laughing at the spitting and farting contest, and hoping this gameboying will prepare for the genuinely tough battles in high stakes info-wargames. There, wipe and sniff that exhort and rhet.

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Interesting Survey on Computer Security
by Derrick Storren 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This artilce has some interesting info on how bad infosec on the web is. <http://www.infowar.com/infosec/introduction.html> ---DS

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ping
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

ping -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred "I do believe that where there is a choice only between cowardice and violence, I would advise violence." Mahatma Gandhi

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Modified Clipper chip - HA!
by Rick Osborne 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

For all of you who didn't see the last X-Files ... Mulder made a visit to The Lone Gunman about breaking into some impenetrable system. Byers points out that "Yeah, that system is pretty hard to get into." Mulder then inquires "well how did you guys get in?". Byers replies cooly: "We used a modified Clipper chip we bought back from the Chinese." I didn't stop laughing for 5 minutes ... :) _________ o s b o r n e @ g a t e w a y . g r u m m a n . c o m _________ "Women. You can't live with 'em. . . and yet they're everywhere."

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