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Re: Moderation experiment almost over; "put up or shut up"
by ichudov＠algebra.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

linux with 16 MB ram will probably get you through. igor Alan Olsen wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > At 05:50 AM 2/11/97 -0800, Sandy Sandfort wrote: > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > SANDY SANDFORT > > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > > >C'punks, > > > >You have probably just read John's post. I truly hope YOU (each > >and every one of you) can rise to his challenge. If you have > >offered nothing in the past but criticism, it's now time to get a > >bit more real. What will it be, your money, time, equipment? > > What kind of memory requirements/machine load does the list eat up? I have a > machine that may fit this purpose... (Need to know if I need to upgrade the > box though.) > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: 4.5 > > iQEVAwUBMwCeq+QCP3v30CeZAQGpwAf+MXRvC4wB6LeJkwsQa7yWI1g2TEYFJZ6O > 1wD1S1QeRu1GMGRfUC3/9OTsQFijQLrOVb3MIXiy7bYxzcZsShd2cgKf4cL3HhjV > T/PH1M2uUEpOJEHLF4jCKvspySgCuLfHK+7V0+fNRO0MFQZZeCNvEd2Awog8Ue0q > OIi/jwBvzNITeBQzGu8zrBuS3VHWjMmi66kio1GV6xFL+JLwQWMsi6hT8hSiZ/TT > fOhvAfECT/hGFFDdu3/R0JYkw1B9IO7Uh0NNgH1pl7HoJiBWfU/HTDoRsruKkweX > 7eDVPxB0MR10Q5XCeoH1EA3Lwd3HdNFVEsUJc+myjN58vnZ5Vo+TGQ== > =CWO1 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > --- > | "Mi Tio es infermo, pero la carretera es verde!" | > |"The moral PGP Diffie taught Zimmermann unites all| Disclaimer: | > | mankind free in one-key-steganography-privacy!" | Ignore the man | > |`finger -l alano(a)teleport.com` for PGP 2.6.2 key | behind the keyboard.| > | http://www.ctrl-alt-del.com/~alan/ |alan(a)ctrl-alt-del.com| > - Igor.

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Re: Network of majordomos
by Greg Broiles 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 02:08 PM 2/11/97 -0800, Peter Hendrickson wrote: >At 1:09 PM 2/11/1997, Greg Broiles wrote: >>At 10:45 AM 2/11/97 -0600, Firebeard wrote: >>> [...] I've already taken steps, along with Jim Choate, to >>> start a network of majordomos hosting a Cypherpunks mailing list. >>> [...] Our intention is to have a set of majordomos which >>> are intersubscribed to a cypherpunks list on each one, with measures >>> taken to ensure that mail loops don't develop. > >> I still think you're just rediscovering Usenet technology.... > >> And, if you must, run mail-to-news gateway(s) which send the newsgroup to >> people who want it as E-mail. > >> Usenet technology does exactly what you're describing:... > >How about this? The people who like Usenet should race ahead and set >it up. The people who like networks of majordomos should race ahead >and set those up. Just so long as the tracks meet somewhere in Utah. As I understand the creation process for an alt. group, someone posts a proposal to alt.config explaining what's being proposed, waits a week or so to see if there's a general sense of approval or disapproval or [...] and then they send a newgroup control message. Individual systems will choose to add the new group, or not, depending on local policy, administrator whim, and so forth. I sent a proposal to alt.config last night (a few hours before I got John's message indicating that the list is going away, so I wasn't able to include that fact in my message; it was also ~ 10 hours before I saw Tim's message re alt.cypherpunks so I was unable to include his more useful statement of the group's purpose) and intend to newgroup alt.cypherpunks in a week or so, absent a clear indication from the people in alt.config that it would be rmgroup'ed or otherwise have a poor chance of success. I don't think a "charter" is especially necessary or useful in the alt. hierarchy. One feature of the "alt." groups is that there's no real control over what happens there. If someone creates a one-way or two-way gateway between one or more mailing lists and alt.cypherpunks, there's nothing anyone else can do about it. (modulo cancelbunny/NoCeM, both of which are optionally honored on a site-by-site basis) So, the tracks will meet in Utah if someone decides to hook them up. Perhaps this will be you? As far as I'm concerned, nobody owns the word "cypherpunks" and we're all free to use it in any way we please - e.g., Igor can suggest "comp.org.cypherpunks", eight people can run "cypherpunks(a)foo.com" mailing lists, and so forth. Looking for one unified acceptable-to-everyone solution is pointless on this list. Let "n" flowers bloom. -- Greg Broiles | US crypto export control policy in a nutshell: gbroiles(a)netbox.com | http://www.io.com/~gbroiles | Export jobs, not crypto.

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Germany Versus Scientology
by Evil se7en 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I have posted a rather lengthy story about Germany's war against the Scientologists. It was long enough to preclude mailing it directly to the lists, so I have put it on my web site. You may find it at: http://www.dis.org/se7en/ with the link being directly under the large "X." I decided to post it for the reasons that I know several people who suffered directly at the hands of the Scientologists after trying to infiltrate their organization via the Internet. These people will recieve this message due to this posting. Enjoy. se7en

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whois cypherpunks.org ?
by das＠razor.engr.sgi.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

With all this talk about relocating the home of cypherpunks, I decided to see if any second level domains are registered under the cypherpunks name. Both cypherpunks.org and cypherpunks.com are registered by one Elias M. Levy in Ft. Meade, MD. I haven't seen his name on the list though. Anybody knows more about this? -- Anil Das

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Re: STE_pup
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Lucky Green wrote: >Fingerprint readers tend to work regardless if the finger is attached to a >body or not. All that fingerprint readers will do is increase the damage to >those relying on ever increasing, but misguided, methods of authentication. >See the rise in "identity theft" since SSN's began to be used for >identification. Oracle claims they've solved the lopped or faked pinkie problem by verifying other biometry. One device IDs BO. None invade privacy the snakes hiss. What next, BS detectors? Nah, that'd kill commerce and law and government and true love and blind faith in supreme-gold-fool.

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Re: whois cypherpunks.org ?
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

cypherpunks (REMAILER-DOM) 1819 Woolsey St. Berkeley, CA 94703 Domain Name: REMAILER.NET Administrative Contact: Hughes, Eric (EH9) eric(a)SAC.NET (415) 392-0526 Technical Contact, Zone Contact: Levy, Elias M. (EML2) aleph1(a)DFW.NET 619-794-8383 (FAX) (619) 794-8373 Billing Contact: Hughes, Eric (EH9) eric(a)SAC.NET (415) 392-0526 Record last updated on 17-Oct-96. Record created on 09-Nov-94. Domain servers in listed order: FLYING.FISH.COM 140.174.97.13 NS1.SAC.NET 208.146.161.2 ---------- CypherPunks (CYPHERPUNKS-DOM) 9705 Standford Road Ft. Meade, MD 20755 Domain Name: CYPHERPUNKS.COM Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact: Levy, Elias M. (EML2) aleph1(a)DFW.NET 619-794-8383 (FAX) (619) 794-8373 Record last updated on 14-Sep-95. Record created on 14-Sep-95. Domain servers in listed order: NS1.CYBERWORKS.NET 206.170.116.21 NS2.PARANOIA.COM 207.239.130.25 WKP.COM 205.199.64.11 ---------- CypherPunks Group (CYPHERPUNKS3-DOM) 9705 Standford Road Ft. Meade, MD 20755 Domain Name: CYPHERPUNKS.ORG Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact: Levy, Elias M. (EML2) aleph1(a)DFW.NET 619-794-8383 (FAX) (619) 794-8373 Record last updated on 03-Oct-95. Record created on 03-Oct-95. Domain servers in listed order: NS1.CYBERWORKS.NET 206.170.116.21 NS2.PARANOIA.COM 207.239.130.25 WKP.COM 205.199.64.11 ---------- Cypherpunks (ANONYMOUS-DOM) PO Box 170608 San Francisco, CA 94117-0608 Domain Name: ANONYMOUS.NET Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact: Gilmore, John (JG150) gnu(a)TOAD.COM +1 415 221 6524 (FAX) +1 415 221 7251 Record last updated on 24-Jun-93. Record created on 24-Jun-93. Domain servers in listed order: CYGNUS.COM 205.180.230.20 RTL.CYGNUS.COM 205.180.230.21 ----------

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Re: Moderation experiment almost over; "put up or shut up" (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 08:30:54 -0800 > From: Alan Olsen <alan(a)ctrl-alt-del.com> > >offered nothing in the past but criticism, it's now time to get a > >bit more real. What will it be, your money, time, equipment? > > What kind of memory requirements/machine load does the list eat up? I have a > machine that may fit this purpose... (Need to know if I need to upgrade the > box though.) A minimum standard for a useable remailer (YMMV): 486DX(blah) 16M 1G IDE Mitsumi CD Rom (very widely supported) VGA 1M NE2000 x 2 (Internet & Intranet) High-speed serial ports x 3 (Mouse, Modems x 2) [optional] ISDN Bridge (incl. NT-1, no POTS) ISDN Line (contact business office) Internet Provider (commercial service, nameservice, news, etc.) 10BaseT Bridge [optional, depends on Bridge] Registration of domain name [optional, suggested] Linux (WinNT if clueless) For a full-time commercial feed in Austin, Tx. your talking about: Startup: $600 Machine $100 VGA Monitor $100 Computer accessories $400 28.8 Modems ($200 x2) $150 ISDN install $1k ISDN Bridge $500 ISP setup & init (this is commercial, not hobby) $100 Initial name registry $300 UPS $3,250 Monthlies: $50 Phones ($25 x2) $25 Utilities $75 ISDN $400 ISP connection $550 Note: * This machine can't be your personal workstation. It will be entirely too busy. * Learn shell, c, Pearl to start. * O'Reilly makes very useful books. * Such a machine will handle from between 100 to 500 accounts depending on how you set up your system. * If you have the money, put it in the bandwidth first. * I would very strongly suggest against using your employers resources for such activities. * You will want at least one dedicated dial-in, no matter what. This is a good place for distinctive ring and a line splitter. Consider this when buying the modem, it will raise the price of the modem. Also consider the personal 800 numbers that are available. * Consider strongly the use of an encrypted file system. While they make automated re-boots impossible their security can be quite appealing. (This is an issue that somebody who is already designing encrypted file systems should look into, how to allow automated reboots w/o manual entry of the key(s).) * Anonymous remailer extensions would not be a major resource hog. * If you are going to consider allowing general access by your users via dial-in use 10 - 15 users per line per day, assuming no enforced quota. Hope this helps anyone who might be interested in starting up such a beast. Jim Choate CyberTects ravage(a)ssz.com When I was a kid, I lived in Pasadena, Tx. just down the street from the Washburn Tunnel. There was a big sign going from Pasadena to the Houston side that said "The grass is greener in Pasadena". This sentiment is the true liberator of the human spirit. Keeping up with the Joneses is burned into our genes.

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Cypherpunks Distributed Remailer
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, What is the current future of the Cypherpunks webpage? Will it continue to be kept up or is it going down as well? Jim Choate CyberTects ravage(a)ssz.com

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Re: Recommendation: Creation of "alt.cypherpunks"
by Anil Das 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Feb 11, 2:42pm, Alan Bostick wrote: > new alt.* newsgroups are better > received if they don't have top-level names. Using existing top-level > hierarchies is better (e.g. alt.security.cypherpunks or > alt.privacy.cypherpunks). I agree that alt.privacy.cypherpunks is the best bet, if alt.group is the route we go. -- Anil Das

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Re: Recommendation: Creation of "alt.cypherpunks"
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:15 AM 2/11/97 -0800, Timothy C. May wrote: >- propagation is often spotty, and some sites have no access at all to the >"alt.*" hierarchy. (Many corporate sites block the alt heirarchy. Many >academic sites block just the alt.binaries.pictures heirarchy. Etc. A news >to mailing list gateway is possible for these readers.) Everybody with a web browser has access to alt newsgroups via http://www.dejanews.com/ -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred "I do believe that where there is a choice only between cowardice and violence, I would advise violence." Mahatma Gandhi

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