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[IMPORTANT] Elliptic curves
by mixmaster＠remail.obscura.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

May Tim Mayhem's forgeries get stuck up his ass so he'll have to shit through his filthy mouth for the rest of its miserable life. o \ o / _ o __| \ / |__ o _ \ o / o /|\ | /\ ___\o \o | o/ o/__ /\ | /|\ Tim Mayhem / \ / \ | \ /) | ( \ /o\ / ) | (\ / | / \ / \

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Kiss the Toad
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The news wads we've been posting will appear in the cpunk mail dumpster. Or, we'll e-mail them to anyone who unsubs but wants the stuff. Send us a blank message with subject: DUM_pit ----- Thanks to JG for princely service, a kiss to the toad.

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Re: DES search publicity (was Re: Cryptanalysis)
by Mark M. 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Wed, 19 Feb 1997, Adam Back wrote: > Have there been any sightings of your code outside the US? > > Rumor has it that ftp://ftp.replay.com/pub/incoming is a place where > things often turn up, but I haven't seen it yet. Last time I checked, deskr06i.zip, which I believe is the correct filename, was in /pub/incoming. Mark -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3 Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBMwzm9yzIPc7jvyFpAQHeggf9HN1XnB1pWdwfsDPptMCCJdq6whdDlac/ W2In+Yzxro7n+RyCYdPFHXldlCFDh/st6SbL90XFQp2kS7Mg7Zu7BtgMRuUOugqk LGW4cDkpjg/gq5/AL4h49puuch4gVV7//pnfGke6fEvaBF/1wvpxNEh1Ades291t guC1hllIoyQkrZIanwuiMl3ubq5Ep3yuorVoYkqspYYmtfzwkhduDmEbqfMp13mN BCJG2QIUtm2GctkWn7rQDaLwFBBn+VIhOn1zF9EPfgr1PXt8HIhzWfQ3JkmtF9Ql wkxz7ebTyhxIMt6culECrcSNBhSGLgxMCLYsnm8NlkGqESbmMVSHjg== =LePS -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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The List
by Steve 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hey all, As a somewhat quiet observer and student of the Cypherpunk list over the last two years, I have been able to keep in touch with an unimaginable amount of issues, info, concerns, and news; and the knowledge I have gained from this list is more than I can say in words. I have sifted through the noise and can say the info gleaned was indeed worth the effort. I am sorry to see the list in its present state, ready to move on to better? things. I hope I speak for many of you, like me who listened learned asked and was answered, that the Cypherpunk list must continue and that each of us, active and passive member has a responsibility to ourselves and each other to continue bring the issues to light , fighting the good fight against the gov't's lousy regulations, and bringing encryption to the masses. I have been working with a security software development company for 2 and half years and have been working on this goal: bringing encryption to the masses. The information both directly (actual posts relating to Crypto) and indirectly (Rants and flames on Snakeoil products) gained has helped guide me and my colleagues closer and closer to our goal. For that and more I thank all of you. We are very close to releasing a beta version of our product to the Internet community to use and abuse. We have worked closely with Bruce Schnieir and Counterpane to insure good implementation of our security measures. I hope our product meets with your standards and approval but more importantly I hope that you (the collective you) can be instrumental in helping us to accomplish our goal. I will post to this list (assuming it is still amongst the living) very shortly a more detailed description of the product and where a beta can be gotten. I am sorry for "whetting the appetites" but I figured since I was E-mailing a post relating to the state of list, I include a bit about how the list has positively effected me and has contributed to society. Steveo (privsoft(a)ix.netcom.com) --Privacy Software Division-- Syntel Technologies, Inc.

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Accounts payable
by mixmaster＠remail.obscura.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Timmy C[ocksucker] Mayo is not only as queer as a three dollar bill, but he is also into having sex with children. /''' c-OO Timmy C[ocksucker] Mayo \ -

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Correct paranoia about evesdropping.
by Darren Reed 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I don't read cypherpunks any more, and this may have already been mentioned but it can't hurt to be pushed again. Whilst not directly related to cryptography, if any of you saw the chapters from "Secret Power" posted to best-of-security, know that that particular book is well worth reading. Of interest to those who are concerned for privacy from snooping: * NSA/DSD/CSE/etc (same type of organisation in different countries) use ground stations around the globe to intercept satellite to ground transmissions, have a network of computers built up to scan all telexes, faxes and even some internet traffic for known keywords in real time; * there exist computers which can process speech in real time and scan for known text/words; * embassies are popular "listening posts", as are buildings "along route" of microwave transmissions; No mention is made about what their capacity is to decrypt data, but encrypted data is analysed (e.g. high level Russian stuff). The book has been extensively researched, with an appendix of all the sources where relevant (i.e. newspapers articles, etc). Photographs of many overseas "bases" are included (e.g. Yakima in Japan). Heck, I live less than 1km from one of the sites photographed! It's not an attractive book, but informative and good reading. A quote from the book, talking about agent activities and involvement in surveilence operations: "There is no evidence of a UKUSA code of ethics or of a tradition of respect for Parliament or civil liberties in their home countries. The opposite seems to be true: that anything goes as long as you do not get caught. Secrey not only permits but encourages questionable operations." The extent of the secrecy around the subject matter in the book is best represented by the comments of a former New Zealand Primeminister' foreword which admits that he was unaware of many details in the book but not which ones. I imagine it would be likewise enlighening to many recent politicians of high station... So, in summary, paranoia about being listened to is well formed, especially if you're involved in overseas communications. Just assume it is being "tapped" if it is in clear text and you'll save yourself a lot of worrying about the "might-be" factor. "Secret Power" ISBN 0-908802-35-8 Craig Potton Publishing, Box 555, Nelson New Zealand. First publishing 1996, reprinted 1996. Approximate cost AUS$35 (inc. freight)

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Re: DES search publicity (was Re: Cryptanalysis)
by Elliot Lee 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Wed, 19 Feb 1997, Adam Back wrote: > > Peter Trei <trei(a)process.com> writes: > > Bill Stewart <stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com> writes: > > > There may be a distributed Internet crack using that approach, > > > though DES is still very inefficient on general-purpose computers and > > > works better on bit-twiddliing chips. > > > > There's one slowly shaping up, organized by the same people who did > > the RC5-48 crack. I'm still rooting for an uncoordinated search, > > which is already underway. > > The people who did the RC5-48 crack over on <des-challenge(a)muffin.org>, > and <des-pr(a)mail.des-challenge.xtn.net>, or at least one of them in > particular, seems dead set on giving the prize fund 50:50 to the EFF/GNU. > I'm having a heck of a time talking him out of it. http://zero.genx.net/ is going at it as well - and whoever finds the key gets the prize. What's wrong with EFF/GNU? -- Elliot Lee http://www.redhat.com/ http://www.linuxexpo.org/

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Correct paranoia about evesdropping.
by Darren Reed 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I don't read cypherpunks any more, and this may have already been mentioned but it can't hurt to be pushed again. Whilst not directly related to cryptography, if any of you saw the chapters from "Secret Power" posted to best-of-security, know that that particular book is well worth reading. Of interest to those who are concerned for privacy from snooping: * NSA/DSD/CSE/etc (same type of organisation in different countries) use ground stations around the globe to intercept satellite to ground transmissions, have a network of computers built up to scan all telexes, faxes and even some internet traffic for known keywords in real time; * there exist computers which can process speech in real time and scan for known text/words; * embassies are popular "listening posts", as are buildings "along route" of microwave transmissions; No mention is made about what their capacity is to decrypt data, but encrypted data is analysed (e.g. high level Russian stuff). The book has been extensively researched, with an appendix of all the sources where relevant (i.e. newspapers articles, etc). Photographs of many overseas "bases" are included (e.g. Yakima in Japan). Heck, I live less than 1km from one of the sites photographed! It's not an attractive book, but informative and good reading. A quote from the book, talking about agent activities and involvement in surveilence operations: "There is no evidence of a UKUSA code of ethics or of a tradition of respect for Parliament or civil liberties in their home countries. The opposite seems to be true: that anything goes as long as you do not get caught. Secrey not only permits but encourages questionable operations." The extent of the secrecy around the subject matter in the book is best represented by the comments of a former New Zealand Primeminister' foreword which admits that he was unaware of many details in the book but not which ones. I imagine it would be likewise enlighening to many recent politicians of high station... So, in summary, paranoia about being listened to is well formed, especially if you're involved in overseas communications. Just assume it is being "tapped" if it is in clear text and you'll save yourself a lot of worrying about the "might-be" factor. "Secret Power" ISBN 0-908802-35-8 Craig Potton Publishing, Box 555, Nelson New Zealand. First publishing 1996, reprinted 1996. Approximate cost AUS$35 (inc. freight)

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Re:
by Otto Matic 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 15:37:45 -0800 >From: "Timothy C. May" <tcmay(a)got.net> >To: shark(a)turk.net, cypherpunks(a)toad.com >Subject: "Trial" >At 8:02 PM +0200 2/19/97, Shark wrote: >>Trial > >OK, that makes 18 votes for "trial," 26 votes for "no trial," and 3 people >asking what the hell the vote is all about. Make that 4 what the hells. What the hell? this is the first I've seen of this post... I feel so left out. > >Looks like there won't be a trial and we can move directly to the punishment. > > >--Klaus! von Future Prime > > > >-- >[This Bible excerpt awaiting review under the U.S. Communications Decency >Act of 1996] >And then Lot said, "I have some mighty fine young virgin daughters. Why >don't you boys just come on in and fuck them right here in my house - I'll >just watch!"....Later, up in the mountains, the younger daughter said: >"Dad's getting old. I say we should fuck him before he's too old to fuck." >So the two daughters got him drunk and screwed him all that night. Sure >enough, Dad got them pregnant, and had an incestuous bastard son....Onan >really hated the idea of doing his brother's wife and getting her pregnant >while his brother got all the credit, so he pulled out before he >came....Remember, it's not a good idea to have sex with your sister, your >brother, your parents, your pet dog, or the farm animals, unless of course >God tells you to. [excerpts from the Old Testament, Modern Vernacular >Translation, TCM, 1996] > > > otto =-=-=-=-=- Otto Matic "Fuckin' A, Miller!" Bud, Repo Man --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------

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Condolences
by Ross Wright 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim: Well, if I am still in your killfile you won't be reading this. That's too bad. I just want to say the you are really being given the stake through the heart treatment by Sandy. And you say in your post, from the flames trash bin, Re: Constitution and a Right to Privacy: "I write about what I find interesting. You all know where the Delete key is. (Of course, a fairly large fraction of my recent posts have been deleted for you by Sandy, who sends many of my posts to neither the Main list nor the Flames list. Bet a lot of you didn't know this, did you?)" No, I did not know that and it pisses me off!!! Fuck everyone. Ross =-=-=-=-=-=- Ross Wright King Media: Bulk Sales of Software Media and Duplication Services http://www.slip.net/~cdr/kingmedia Voice: 415-206-9906

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