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Re: War & InfoWar
by Blanc 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

TruthMonger wrote: > Of course, you have your own definintion of innocenent bystanders, >while others may have different definitions. .......................................................... To me, an innocent bystander would be someone who was walking by a building which was blown up by someone with a grudge against its occupants. You lose the point of your attack when you kill those who do not relate to the reason for your attack. "To save the village, we had to destroy it." .. Blanc

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Disinformation in L.A.
by Tim May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I just watched on CNN the images of the raid on the "militia cell" in L.A., cited as a cell having "thousands and thousands" of rounds of ammo (ooh, scary!), and of having "anti-government literature" (there ought to be a law against this kind of stuff!). They also claimed they found "armor-piercing rounds" and "cop-killer bullets." Well, I saw the cops and their shill reporters demonstrating what many of us have in our own arsenals. (The Second Amendment should be repealed!) The cops claim they know that "something was being planned." And how do they know this? Probably the standard method: infiltrate a narc into the group and have him plant ideas and spout extremist rhetoric, then use this same rhetoric to get a compliant judge to issue a search warrant, even if no actual crime has been committed. (Except the search warrant is used as a "raid warrant," with black-clad ninjas breaking down the doors...and if the victims inside think they're under attack by unnamed thugs and try to fight back, a good reason for the ninjas to start shooting. A good way to dispose of dissidents and heighten the sense of panic.) We live in a police state. --Tim May There's something wrong when I'm a felon under an increasing number of laws. Only one response to the key grabbers is warranted: "Death to Tyrants!" ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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DoD computer security
by harka＠nycmetro.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- May be of interest: == Forwarded Message Follows ========================================= Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 23:22:55 -0700 From: Alan Hersh <cyberwiz(a)web-site.com> To: GsuNet List <gsunet-l(a)bgu.edu> Subject: Computer Attacks at Department of Defense http://www.fas.org/irp/gao/aim96084.htm Information Security: Computer Attacks at Department of Defense Pose Increasing Risks (Chapter Report, 05/22/96, GAO/AIMD-96-84) Pursuant to a congressional request, GAO reviewed the extent to which Department of Defense (DOD) computer systems are attacked, focusing on the: (1) potential for further damage to DOD computer systems; and (2) challenges DOD faces in securing sensitive information on its computer systems. ==================================================================== Ciao Harka /*************************************************************/ /* This user supports FREE SPEECH ONLINE ...more info at */ /* and PRIVATE ONLINE COMMUNICATIONS! -> http://www.epic.org */ /* E-mail: harka(at)nycmetro.com (PGP-encrypted mail pref'd) */ /* PGP public key available upon request. [KeyID: 04174301] */ /* F-print: FD E4 F8 6D C1 6A 44 F5 28 9C 40 6E B8 94 78 E8 */ /*<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>*/ /* May there be peace in this world, may all anger dissolve */ /* and may all living beings find the way to happiness... */ /*************************************************************/ ... Want to use PGP? -> http://bureau42.base.org/public/pgpsteps.txt -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAgUBM3SXszltEBIEF0MBAQFmbAf/XMMsgXtxqb5o+Stsl63Kp5wFDaVbXThp bb8sIQfkxR8Zqq1CKw69wi/usX3ouw/3ejI856QviS72o50F2HLRuv3U213dOp/L AhPEBO7qF1otr9Ucrw5L42fE5nH89ZRlzHwuNr8+eA1CjjYF+IUNCAzKziebyqzY WdGeswMP8PWDocviJMl70o3FsNBJnj4HPom0Za3qVY8wXr3J+2i5LeSqLk0t7Yeo 5mDIiQiRXck/fVYeYSWR3lyXkj3nWxKSM1bhVxjfuzLaeUVbHFTB8rRxTSkqYz88 FenmXC9NFFYYrFKyQfXvb2hoRGoJxvtOBt3X76WpPw1moa3l83HTtQ== =yYeC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- If encryption is outlawed, only outlaws will have encryption...

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No Subject
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

## Newsgroups: Subject: Re: Disinformation in L.A. On or About 10 May 97 at 19:23, Igor Chudov @ home wrote: > Duncan Frissell wrote: > > On Sat, 10 May 1997, Kent Crispin wrote: > > > > > I would expect a "cypherpunk riot" to be a little more aimed at > > > cyberspace than real-world suburban neighborhoods. Wouldn't > > > you? > > There will be a few unfortunate explosions in the world over the > > next few years so I'm sure Tim is just hoping for a beneficial > > target selection. Those who tell don't know, those who know don't tell. > Duncan, it is doubtful that there is any member of this mailing > list, at least of those whom I have seen posting, who will dare to > raise his fat ass and blow something up. Man, Igor, you really hit that on the head. My "blowing things up" days are long over. That was 20 years or more ago AND 50-75 pounds. I say "Leave that to the younger ones, who think they are indestructable, anyway" > The "radicals" are mostly sitting and waiting for something dramatic > to happen, preferably as far from their nice houses and bank > accounts as possible. I've got a nice condo, a wife who is straight arrow, and a bigger bank account than I had in the militant hippie daze. I would, however take up arms for the cause of state's rights. I love my state far more than my country, even if I am a Nam vet. Of course I do considerable fire power at my disposal. All legal, by the way (at the time of this writing). > Jim Bell might be an exception, but I would not bet on him.

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Re: One-Time Pads as Attack Method
by azur＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>The problem that someone might plant a message and a one-time-pad on >your machine makes for a good spy story; I would be more worried about >someone claiming that I had illegal software on my machine, since they >can always come up with a one-time-pad that will decode some file that >I do have on my machine (if they have access to it) and have the >``decoded'' text be a copyrighted program for which I do not have a >license. All the more reason to use a good disk encryption program to keep private as muc of you disk as possible (under CryptDisk/PGPDisk its everything but the System Folder). --Steve PGP mail preferred Fingerprint: FE 90 1A 95 9D EA 8D 61 81 2E CC A9 A4 4A FB A9 Key available on BAL server, http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/~bal/pks-toplev.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Schear | tel: (702) 658-2654 CEO | fax: (702) 658-2673 First ECache Corporation | 7075 West Gowan Road | Suite 2148 | Las Vegas, NV 89129 | Internet: azur(a)netcom.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- I know not what instruments others may use, but as for me, give me Ecache or give me debt. SHOW ME THE DIGITS!

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Re: Wine Politics Again!
by azur＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>I am shipping a few bottles of California's finest merlot (much nicer that >the trendy cabernets) to my sister and her husband in Hollywood, FL. Why not also include a bottle of Thunderbird for Chiles? --Steve PGP encrypted mail PREFERRED (See MIT/BAL servers for my PK) PGP Fingerprint: FE 90 1A 95 9D EA 8D 61 81 2E CC A9 A4 4A FB A9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Schear (N7ZEZ) | Internet: azur(a)netcom.com 7075 West Gowan Road | Voice: 1-702-658-2654 Suite 2148 | Fax: 1-702-658-2673 Las Vegas, NV 89129 | --------------------------------------------------------------------- God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; The courage to change the things I can; The weapons that make the difference; And the wisdom to hide the bodies of the people that got in my way;-) "Surveilence is ultimately just another form of media, and thus, potential entertainment." --G. Beato "Without censorship, things can get terribly confused in the public mind." -General William Westmoreland

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Crypto Campaign
by harka＠nycmetro.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- "A ghost goes around in the world...the ghost of crypto" Such as Marx's line described the general fear of governments in terms of communism, so it may be adapted to cryptography. World-wide we see strenuous work to hinder, prohibit, outlaw free crypto in favor of the surveillance states. And reality shows, why they can do so: only a fraction of the Net-population is using it. Therefore it might be time for a wide-spread campaign to further the use of crypto. "Use a cipher...be cool!". While a lot of Cypherpunks may do so on an individual level already, it will not reach the other 30 million or so. IMHO we need something of the extent of the "Blue Ribbon Campaign", where almost everybody became aware of it and involved in. On some german crypto-webpages, they have a nice symbol for their campaign against the [german] "telecommunications act": a bug. Check out http://www5.inm.de/tkg/ for some graphics (the page is in german, but the pictures speak enough). Such might be a good way to make people aware of the isues at hand and spread free crypto. The german magazine "Der Spiegel" had last week an "E-Vote" on their web page: "If it were easy enough to encrypt your e-mail, would you use cryptography?" - more than 80 percent said yes. Clearly a call to our code-writing members. If we could initiate such a campaign, that besides giving info on the current attempts to make crypto "surveillance-friendly" etc., also gives not-so-technical users an easy way to use crypto for themselves, then we might affect the current state of affaires much more, than to endlessly rant and rage against it here in our Cypherpunk-Niche. "Use a cipher - be cool!" Ciao Harka /*************************************************************/ /* This user supports FREE SPEECH ONLINE ...more info at */ /* and PRIVATE ONLINE COMMUNICATIONS! -> http://www.epic.org */ /* E-mail: harka(at)nycmetro.com (PGP-encrypted mail pref'd) */ /* PGP public key available upon request. [KeyID: 04174301] */ /* F-print: FD E4 F8 6D C1 6A 44 F5 28 9C 40 6E B8 94 78 E8 */ /*<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>*/ /* May there be peace in this world, may all anger dissolve */ /* and may all living beings find the way to happiness... */ /*************************************************************/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBM3SoQDltEBIEF0MBAQFsLgf+MxtIEZkAI+T3OUPywvfkkmpALKXbGDHE fsSy5/xfh1LuePX8I6daBx7ZJ8e+lHZ4NpjJ20NOTcS7Bcy2W72GvUiiqTEb9UEK siGv99CUnN0wiDtsufMZ8FAjalyzoHrebOiaMGxFW9nqa1ba2qtnVz/D4GdadcP5 vNGmw881bMZvsi4/pw2YxpjXDZY03f5lwfdfaXPDBjOqJJFkG2DId58RwvTbh+B9 ciBDXRlRaH/ZmphA2Pq10AmI6PoegplKt4SeghQT1JB6S0BRGeE7e9cxfAMWIaqt AV+e0Qcf4q/QEgwzhN61noLeacPMaoNImOhrd8vabDUn3//5YCmHFg== =Wv29 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: One-Time Pads as Attack Method
by 00043.an＠edtec.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Your response is most interesting! It almost implies you can't publish for(i=0;i < filesize(B); i++) C[i] = A[i] ^ file_contents[i]; I wonder why the difficulty in simply (I thought of actually going ahead and doing this): Take a posting (B.) to cpunks by Tim May. THese get disseminated quite widely and he's well-known; his thoughts and style should make deniability of the message difficult. Calculate C = B ^ A such that A = kiddie porn of your choice. Post the UUENCODE of C. to cypherpunks, send the binary to Tim, etc. Call your favorite Agency to investigate. Your variant in which the file B. is known, as in KRNL386.EXE is also viable, if not more so! Is posting a TRANSFORM such as a 'OTP' that converts copyrighted material A into copyrighted material B a violation of anything, I wonder... You could convert everybody's Internet Explorer into a ZIP file containing a setup and executable for Netscape 3.0!! At 10:33 AM 5/10/97 -0400, Peter D. Junger wrote: >00043.an(a)edtec.com writes: > >: >: 1. Agents of the Enemy wish to create the appearance of you possessing >: document A. >: 2. They obtain some artifact you have emailed, or posted, or possess on >: your private local storage. --- >: Possibly even signed. Call this message B. >: 3. They create the XOR of A and B, the result being a 'one time pad' C. >: which of course, gives: >: private message B XOR C = target bogus message A. This result is of course >: not a one time pad; >: the plan is to accuse you of possessing materials that prove you are >: trading with the enemy, >: exchanging kiddie-porn, any of the usual things. >: 4. This 'one time pad' file C. somehow finds its way into your possession: >: it is an email attachment, >: embedded in some binary --- it could even be stego'ed into a GIF/JPG. >: 5. The agents break down the door and seize all your effects. >: 6. They are able to prove that you possess B and C, the XOR of which is A., >: a fact that is impossible >: to have happened at random. >: 7. The jury doesn't know shit, and figures that if the chances of B ^ C = A >: by accident are 0, >: then you must be guilty. > >It was in part for the purpose of demonstrating this possibility that I >wrote the OPT program that I later realized that I could not publish in >any form under the ITAR and cannot publish in electronic form under the >new Commerce Department export regulations (unless I apply for a license >(that I probably cannot get) from the government, a requirement that >violates the First Amendment to the United States constitution). And it >was the restraints on publishing that and other crypto programs that led >me to file suit to enjoin the enforcement of the export restrictions on >cryptography. > >The problem that someone might plant a message and a one-time-pad on >your machine makes for a good spy story; I would be more worried about >someone claiming that I had illegal software on my machine, since they >can always come up with a one-time-pad that will decode some file that >I do have on my machine (if they have access to it) and have the >``decoded'' text be a copyrighted program for which I do not have a >license. > >Do you think that Microsoft has a one-time-pad that will convert >Netscape 3.1 into Word for Windows? > > >-- >Peter D. Junger--Case Western Reserve University Law School--Cleveland, OH > EMAIL: junger(a)samsara.law.cwru.edu URL: http://samsara.law.cwru.edu > NOTE: junger(a)pdj2-ra.f-remote.cwru.edu no longer exists > > >

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Re: War & InfoWar
by TruthMonger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Blanc wrote: > TruthMonger wrote: > > Of course, you have your own definintion of innocenent bystanders, > >while others may have different definitions. > .......................................................... > To me, an innocent bystander would be someone who was walking by a building > which was blown up by someone with a grudge against its occupants. > > You lose the point of your attack when you kill those who do not relate to > the reason for your attack. Not necessarily. Free thinkers are perfectly capable of judging the reasons behind those involved on both sides of a conflict, and making an individual judgement as to the culpability of both parties. When a citizen shoots an intruder who is breaking into their house and threatening their saftey, there will always be family members, lawyers and anti-gun proponents who will decry the individual's use of force to defend their home and person/family. There are others, whoever, who will recognize that the perpetrator is the one who is ultimately responsible for placing the homeowner in the position of having a need to defend themself. Personally, if I need to worry about my life because my government's actions makes them an actionable target of an increasing number of the citizens, then I am going to take action to change the government. I do not deny anyone's right to suffer silently, but neither do I deny an individual's right to strike out at the source of their oppression. If you have developed a method for waging war without ordinary citizens coming into the line of fire, then I would like to hear about it. I don't like conflict any more than the next person, but I do not see concession to the oppressor as a viable option just because conflict will cause loss and heartache. Take a look at the results of the appeasement policy that Britain had in regard to Hitler. It resulted in scores of deaths that could have been prevented had those proposing it taken a firm stand that supported freedom from tyranny. The fact is that Tim McVeigh is facing criminal charges for his chosen actions, while the murderers at Waco are not. Until the average citizens demand the same justice for government agents as is demanded of anti-government agents, the average John or Jane Doe can expect to get caught in the crossfire. TruthMonger

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Vlad-smear blows himself...
by TruthMonger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Vladimir Z. Nuri wrote: > kC on TCM: > > > >"May they all be vaporized." > > > >"Every day that passes, I'm more convinced that McVeigh did the right thing. > >Some innocents died, but, hey, war is hell. Broken eggs and all that." > yeah, I've noticed that TCM is really uptight lately and has been way off > the scale (more so than usual) on the "panty-knot" scale. what gives, > Tim? I think the situation is mostly he's so upset that congress is > discussing bills with the words "crypto" in them, which is apparently > enough to make him cringe with terror. > > when the CDA was being passed, I think his hemor^h^h^h rhetoric > swelled up then too as well. but look at what happened with the > CDA-- it got challenged, killed by lower courts, > and is stuck in the supreme court, likely > to be struck down there too. far from the end of the world forecast > by some here. Get real. The Feds have attacks going on a dozen fronts on anything they support or oppose and they don't particularly care if a bill is constitutional or not, as long as it achieves the desired effect. They are happy as long as they can terrorize enough citizens and businesses with threats of imprisonment to move things in their desired direction. > do we have a constitution or not? if so, we have nothing to worry > about. What a crock of shit! This is just another variation of "It's not perfect, but it's the best sytem we've got." Why is it always the oppressors who seem so enamored of the way the system works? > TCM is terrified by virtually anything that happens in govt, which is > amusing and comical at times. If I thought Vlad-smear was not a paid government schill, then I would assume he is a fucking idiot. I love to see how quickly "patriots" stop waving the red, white and blue once the government's stick gets shoved up their own butt. Believe it or not, Vlad-smear, there are individuals who fight against loss of freedom and liberty even when it is someone else who is getting screwed. TruthMonger

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