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cypherpunks-e@htp.org list explodes!
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Well, I tried subscribing to cypherpunks-e(a)htp.org, the English-language relative of cypherpunks-j. There may have been one or two independent postings, but almost everything there was just the main cypherpunks list, forwarded and with archiving numbers stuck in the Subject: line. That wasn't a very good idea; people who want to subscribe to cypherpunks should do so directly, but if you do want to build a fourth list address for cypherpunks, you can check with Igor Chudov and Lance Cottrell about the software that makes it work without looping. However, a day or two ago, something broke, and most of the 1400+ messages I've gotten have been Mailer-Daemon complaints about not being able to reach somewhere or other for four hours. It may be because ssz.com was down for a couple of days, or may be from something else, but it's failed spectacularly. Killfiles are your friend, but for now I've simply unsubscribed. Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com Regular Key PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639

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Re: AOL
by Harka 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Fri, Sep 26, 1997 at 11:57:36PM -0500, ravage(a)ssz.com wrote: > > AOL MAY INTRODUCE ADS ON PRIVATE E-MAIL > > Reuters > 26-SEP-97 > > > HAMBURG, Germany, Sept 26 (Reuter) - The German unit of the world's > largest online service, America Online, said on Friday it planned to > boost advertising revenues and that its parent company may begin > including ads on private electronic mail. A PGP-Plug-In for the AOL-software would be excellent... Ciao Harka

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by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

That vile salamander Gingrich, squeaker of the House, is slobbering about a drug-free America by the year 2001. What a dreary prospect! Of course this does not include alcohol and tobacco, of which the consumption will soar. How can a drug-free state be achieved? Simple. An operation can remove the drug receptors from the brain. Those who refuse the operation will be deprived of all rights. CM

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FCC Proposes V-Chip Requirements for TV Manufacturers
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The FCC yesterday proposed rules that would give television manufacturers until July 1 1998 to put V-Chips in half of new TV sets with monitors 13 inches or larger, and in all sets by July 1, 1999. Reed Hundt said that this will "ensure that V-Chip technology does in fact exist in a relatively short period of time". Industry officials protested that the time limit is way too short for manufacturers, saying they need 18 months - 2 years. Comment period runs until November. Meanwhile, some of the major TV networks are going to a more detailed rating system, Sex/Violence/Language/SuggestiveDialog, with a FantasyViolence category for kids' shows. NBC is resisting that. Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com Regular Key PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639

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pna.show_story?p_art_id=347667&p_section_name=Sci-Tech
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

CNN Custom News logo [LINK] Home World U.S. Weather Sports Business Sci-Tech Showbiz Lifestyle alt On Target Customize Profile Help Feedback Switch User [ISMAP] InfoSeek [INLINE] September 27, 1997 3:21 am GMT [INLINE] Sci-Tech Title [INLINE] Ad Space ________________________ ___Word ___Theme ______________ Options [INLINE] The story below was selected from CNN Custom News - a new personalized service that delivers only the news that's important to YOU. Sign up now to receive your personal news stories, weather, sports scores, and stock quotes from over 100 different sources - all for FREE. If you're already a user, please login. Custom News MOVING MONEY IN CYBERSPACE NewsBytes 26-SEP-97 SINGAPORE, 1997 SEP 26 (Newsbytes) -- By Kenneth Kway. When it comes to conducting monetary transactions on the Internet, the world can only move as fast as its financial institutions. Banks in particular have an important role to play in the acceptance of the Internet as a legitimate medium in which secure business transactions can be performed. But even banks in well-connected Singapore have been cautious in embracing the Internet for their business while being clearly interested in tapping in on an increasing number of Internet users in Singapore and the region. The Development Bank of Singapore (DBS) is one of the first to make Internet banking a reality. DBS hopes to revolutionize Singapore's local banking industry by giving customers the convenience of banking through the Internet at any time they choose and from anywhere they happen to be. "We expect other banks will soon be unveiling similar programs but we are the one of the first to bring this service to our customers," said Lau Chan Sin, DBS deputy president. "We want this project to contribute to the creation of an IT culture where customers can experience the ease and convenience of banking on the Web," said Lau. The trial involving a select group of DBS customers and staff will last until October, when the system will go live. They will have online access to detailed information regarding their results. Among other things, they will be able to obtain real time information about their accounts, track cheque status, transfer funds and effect payment of bills. "For now, it is unlikely that Internet banking will move into areas that are not already covered by phone banking," says Datapro analyst Lim Soo Ching. "As it is, banks are trying to work out a business proposition for phone banking. Online banking would face the same concerns." The bank's home page, users' first point of access, will deliver banking news to the customer. The bank has gone one step further and allowed users to customize the kind of news they want to receive. Each time they check the area on the DBS home page labelled "Your Personal News" they will be presented with the personalized bulletin that is relevant to their needs and banking habits. The bank has put in place a slew of industry standard security measures like firewalls and authentication services. These measures are supplemented by a proprietary security solution. The emphasis is on confidentiality of the transaction as much as protecting against unauthorized access. "Looking at the technology the bank has out in place, security is not a problem," says Lim. "Banking may be actually safer than phone banking, but the user perception is just the opposite." The bank stresses the importance of user cooperation to maintain a high level of security. "The customer has to work hand in hand with the security systems that the bank has put in place," said Mrs Elsie Foh, executive vice president of retail banking at DBS. "For instance they should remember to log off from the system once they have completed their banking session. The bank was not at liberty to reveal the equipment and software used in the project but it was disclosed that the entire setup cost S$2 million. Aside from an initial sign-up fee, the bank intends to charge users a monthly fee for the program after the initial 6-month promotion period. DBS will add to the initial services offered through the Bank's Internet Banking service. "We met with great success bringing our customers the convenience of share application and COE (Certificate of Entitlement) bids through ATMs," said Foh. "Similarly, we intend to broaden the scope of our Internet services to include more diverse types of commercial applications." Investment related transactions, insurance purchase and third party funds transfer are just some of the areas being explored for future implementation. In this way, the banks hope to build greater value on the new service and attract a high user base. DBS expects 30 000 customers in the first year of the system's operation and projects that the number will climb to 150000 in 3 years. "Culture will also make a difference," says Lim. "Asia tends to take longer than the West in the acceptance of new technology." He cites automated teller machines (ATMs) as one such example. "It will be some time before online banking becomes the norm." DBS is looking into providing all its users with personal financial manager software such as Intuit or Quicken. This would allow customers to better coordinate their personal finances with the bank. Such a package will most likely be customized to work with the bank's system. "The significance of this technology is that any computer in the world that can access the Internet is instantly a transaction terminal that can be used to do banking." said Lim. (Reported by Newsbytes News Network http://www.newsbytes.com) Search the net: InfoSeek ___________________ ____ [Help] [INLINE] Ad Space Top Copyright © 1997 Cable News Network, Inc. A Time Warner Company ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Terms under which this information is provided to you. [INLINE]

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index.html
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

CNN logo Navigation Infoseek/Big Yellow Pathfinder/Warner Bros Main banner CNN Custom News rule 'SPAM' SLAMMING GOES TO COURT Internet spam September 26, 1997 Web posted at: 10:59 p.m. EDT (0259 GMT) DEARBORN, Michigan (CNN) -- One of the world's largest Internet service providers is squaring off against one of its largest purveyors of junk e-mail, known unaffectionately by netizens as "spam." Apex Global Internet Services, or AGIS, the third largest Internet service provider in the world, has dropped so-called "spammers" from its service, including the biggest spammer of them all, Cyber Promotions, owned by Sanford Wallace. Now, Cyber Promotions and Wallace are fighting back, having filed a lawsuit against AGIS alleging breach of contract. "I'm very proud of what I do, and I don't really think that spamming is bad or good," said Wallace. "I think it's just a way of doing business." Spam is the electronic equivalent of junk mail, unsolicited messages hawking all sorts of products and services. http://www.agis.net/ AGIS officials say they were forced to take action because they were caught in the middle of the ongoing Internet tug-of-war between spammers and angry recipients who had launched high-tech counterattacks against spam. "We asked the anti-spammers to give us a chance, and we asked the spammers to stop sending unsolicited e-mail to people who said they didn't want it," said Phillip Lawlor, chief executive officer of AGIS. "The problem was that really didn't make anybody happy." "Both sides then resorted to unethical and illegal practices in order to take down the other side's networks." There is some precedent for AGIS's actions against junk e-mail. Earlier this year, America Online successfully sued to stop Cyber Promotions from sending unsolicited e-mail to its subscribers. However, AOL is a private network, not an Internet service provider. The suit between Wallace and AGIS, then, could help determine how far such providers can go in trying to can spam from the entire Internet. A federal judge is expected to rule on the suit against AGIS on Monday. CNN's Ed Garsten contributed to this report. rule Related story: * Agis dethrones 'Spam King' - September 24, 1997 Related sites: Note: Pages will open in a new browser window * AGIS * Compuserve Inc. v. cyber Promotions Inc. * America Online Inc. v. Cyber Promotions Inc. External sites are not endorsed by CNN Interactive. _________________________________________________________________ Infoseek search ____________________ ____ ____ _________________________________________________________________ rule Message Boards Sound off on our message boards You said it... [INLINE] AST. Working For Your Business. rule To the top © 1997 Cable News Network, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Terms under which this service is provided to you.

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Re: Remailer Attack (fwd)
by phelix＠vallnet.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 26 Sep 1997 23:18:00 -0500, Jim Choate <ravage(a)ssz.com> wrote: > >Forwarded message: > >> Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 19:17:11 -0700 >> From: Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> >> Subject: Re: Remailer Attack (fwd) > [ stuff deleted] >> And I mentioned this specifically. > >I'll grant you mentioned digital postage. This simply is not robust enough >to handle the world of a commercial remailer operator. We'll just have to >agree to disagree here because the standard digital postage argument simply >doesn't sway me to support it. > What's wrong with the idea of digital postage? What else do you have in mind? There are a couple of problems that arise when money in any form gets involved: 1) refunds: If one remailer in a chain fails to deliver a message, How does a user get a refund without having the message traced back to him? 2) Business/Gov't dishonesty: Imagine if 50% of all remailers are owned and operated by the same company. Now imagine if that company did not have the same morality/ideaology as we do. Now imagine if that same company was LEA friendly. I don't think I need to tell you why this is a bad thing.

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Leaving again
by Paul Bradley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I`ll be off the list again for a while, and this address may well be closed, not sure yet. If anyone needs to get me +44 (0)410 933621 is always a good one to try, I should be back on the list within a few weeks though. Bye for now. Datacomms Technologies data security Paul Bradley, Paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk Paul(a)crypto.uk.eu.org, Paul(a)cryptography.uk.eu.org Http://www.cryptography.home.ml.org/ Email for PGP public key, ID: FC76DA85 "Don`t forget to mount a scratch monkey"

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Stel
by Mark Rogaski 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Has anyone heard anything recently about CERT-IT's STEL? I like it much better than deslogin (although, I can't seem to get steld working on Linux boxes ...), and have been waiting for the protocol to catch on. It's been beta for over a year now. Doc - -- [] Mark Rogaski "That which does not kill me [] wendigo(a)pobox.com only makes me stranger." -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBNCyxYMHFI4kt/DQOEQIPowCgp0fwxqMaaWoJfAhZzTq4BVWMhk0Aniyi tnKR4VDkK2aRNHofWcuVFrry =eSW0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Remailer latencies
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- David E. Smith wrote: >> Incidentally, if somebody offered you colocation space, would you be >> willing to set up your machine there? > >I wouldn't, and I hope not many other remailer operators would >either. A lot of the security on my machine comes from having >physical control over it. Good point. Also, using a dialup gives you another layer of physical privacy. You could even move the machine around from time to time. This could even foil the Big Boys if they don't want to reveal how well they can track things. (Corollary: Even if PGP is NSA breakable, you can still use it for drug dealing and bribery.) >(That includes the ability to rapidly delete things with extreme >prejudice should the spooks come knocking at the door.) If I'm not >sleeping in the room next to my machine, I don't have that kind of >control. What is on your machine that has to be deleted? I suppose you'd want to power cycle it since the private key (or a passphrase) will be sitting in memory. Is there anything on the disk that must be deleted? More operations questions: according to Raph's chart, your machine has an "uptime" of 99.64%. I assume that means Raph's experiments showed that 36 messages out of 1000 disappeared. Did I assume correctly? If so, what accounts for these message losses? I would expect that if your machine was down, even for a couple of days, that the incoming messages would be queued up on other machines and none would be lost. BTW, my intention is not be critical of your volunteer work running a remailer, but to develop an understanding of the issues involved. Even a response like "the machine was down for three days because I was in Las Vegas partying" is useful because it would suggest that remailer operators are not adequately compensated for their work. Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNCyf1JaWtjSmRH/5AQG1lAf9HS5Hu9HX32Uij93MEaWzG4BOqgj9/mok W+Ngjnz2yDKW3g7MoN+Ypvy05EGPNtwZjhigRkUzSIHfT7gYGlbclcf1p2aZk4L5 MT1wP1zdT0cdUoIjTwSa/VXgHuuPLTo68LhnbdCTVgLjbqMaC7DxvrGam7C7CXcT POxjh7bpwrz8LJ0YmALuhqITv+QxPqv0jeCigsYqtv9wEcPdIp9Y+If4+u5+aln4 FejVogjqSGl8E8bICc5GMNFifXKcpGkGNb992P4IUHjyZmmgQRqMhuS6yWjHM2cM uWj0fbH+/Yab+svKsULz0aqbG670A5VzriP+800JAJd8XtZd7T5y9w== =gqzn -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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