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Re: apropos list talk and our culture
by bureau42 Anonymous Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Steve Schear wrote: > At 8:06 AM -0700 10/29/1997, Tim May wrote: > >At 5:38 AM -0700 10/29/97, Brad Dolan wrote: > >>"Michael Hays" is a new CBS series about a U.S. District Attorney. Last > >>night's episode was about how a radio talk-show host incited a listener > >>to kill a BATF agent and was brought to justice. DA convinced a jury > >>that some things were "more important" than the first amendment. > > Wouldn't it be interesting if someone incited a Net listener/reader to kill > the producer of this "Michael Hays" episode in a "life immitates art" > situation? Has anyone on the list taken the time to estimate the percentage of TV shows (news/entertainment/etc.) which seem to mostly serve to help indoctrinate the masses with New World Order Speak? e.g. - Surveillance == Security / Police == Protection VideoCatchingCriminals III (or somesuch), is due out soon. C-16, Jag, Michael Hayes, Cops, ad infinituum, and not a one of them showing a citizen with a toilet plunger sticking out of his or her asshole. Even Jenny Jones, et al, are doing shows where parents video-spy on the babysitter, husbands video-spy on their wives, etc. If "Total Surveillance is your Friend!" then why were there no video cameras in the restroom of the NYC police precinct? Cypherpunk Action Project or just my insanity?: Are there any list members who were kicked out of the US Armed Forces after only one day and are now full-fledged members of the paramilitary? Why don't you go bomb a federal building with a day-care center in it, and see if the government and media blame it all on the US Armed forces? You know, kind of a "life imitates fascism" situation. ImitationMonger

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Re: new intel verification circuit & crypto
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The 'other' Deitweler, Vladimir Z. Nuri wrote: > John Dvorak has an interesting column in a recent PC > magazine on the possibility that Intel has created > some new circuits in its new chips that would allow > alteration by software. this is to deal with a > "verification crisis" in which the complexity of > their large chips is outstripping their ability > to test for flaws and make them perfect. according to > Dvorak the scheme would allow Intel to release a > software program that would actually alter the > circuitry of the chip. InfoWarriors around the globe have already been preparing for 'The Son of Clipper' and 'The Daughter of GAK'. The defenders of Freeh-Dumb know that the key to totalitarian access to communications/information is to slip in the back door of new technolgies via those who develop and produce that technology. The anti-trust actions against Intel are for the purpose of negotiating a foothold in programmable CPU's, etc. The anti-trust outrage against MicroSoft is meant to be a million-dollar-a-day punishment for reneging on their deal to provide GAK hooks in Internet Explorer 4.0. Look for MS and Intel to string the government along in this regard, while delaying long enough to let the Y2K problem force the government's hand in their desire for total control of the Information Highway Robbery system. The battle is for control of the New Electronic Jerusalem. Sincerely, Your 'other brother' Deitweler

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PGP Inc PR cover-up
by Adam Back 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I wonder about the sudden lull in the pgp5.5 CMR argument: have PGP Inc enforced a blanket ban on participation in list discussion of the topic by their employees? Even our anonymous PGP employees posting via remailers on cypherpunks seem to have stopped. PGP Inc seemed to me to be heavily losing the argument where ever employees have spoken on the topic. Unfortunately this doesn't seem to be translating into rejection of the CMR feature, nor of adoption of less dangerous alternatives such as forward secret transport level security, shorter lived encryption keys, and separate storage keys. Perhaps it will take an official government snoop endorsement of pgp5.5 before the danger is acknowledged; by then the damage will have been done. Meanwhile over on ietf-open-pgp: The ietf-open-pgp forum for discussion of development of the now IETF controlled OpenPGP standard seems to have undergone a coo. Cypherpunk Lutz Donnerhacke had pre-empted Rodney Thayer and PGP's Jon Callas draft which had been slow coming by producing a competing draft before them. Lutz's draft was not sympathetic with PGP Inc's CMR, and even included SHOULD features encouraging separate storage keys. John Noerenberg (appointed IETF chair) over-ruled Lutz, and wrested editing of the draft from him, and demonstrated some petty power wielding in over ruling a vote on terminology Lutz had set up -- Lutz had already said he didn't care about the outcome, and just called the vote as a quick way to resolve argument. Now we are waiting for Jon Callas to release the new draft. Wonder whether it will include CMR or not :-) Join in the battle: subscribe by sending email with body "subscribe ietf-open-pgp" to <majordomo(a)imc.org>. The list address for posting articles is <ietf-open-pgp(a)imc.org> Adam -- Now officially an EAR violation... Have *you* exported RSA today? --> http://www.dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/rsa/ print pack"C*",split/\D+/,`echo "16iII*o\U@{$/=$z;[(pop,pop,unpack"H*",<> )]}\EsMsKsN0[lN*1lK[d2%Sa2/d0<X+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0<J]dsJxp"|dc`

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[ZOG] MARXIST COHEN WANTS 'CURTAILED FREEDOM': CALL TO ARMS WANTED
by Igor Chudov ＠ home 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

fyi igor Anonymous <nobody(a)REPLAY.COM> wrote: * Defense Chief Says U.S. Freedom May Have To Be Curtailed * ___________________________________________________________ * Their inward part is destruction itself. Their throat is an * open grave; they flatter with their tongue. * Psalms 5:9 * ___________________________________________________________ * * Defense secretary calls for even more preventive measures. * * Terrorism is escalating to the point that Americans soon may have to choose * between civil liberties and more intrusive means of protection. Defense * Secretary William S. Cohen says. * * The nation's defense chief told the Army Times he once considered the * chilling specter of armored vehicles surrounding civilian hotels or * government buildings to block out terrorists as strictly an overseas * phenomenon. But no longer. * * It could happen here, Cohen said he concluded after eight months of studying * threats under the Pentagon microscope. * * Free-lance terrorists with access to deadly chemical and biological bombs * are "going to change the way in which the American people view security in * our own country, he predicted in a Sept. 10 interview. * * Cohen is calling for the government to step up its efforts to penetrate * wildcard terrorist organizations. * * "It's going to require greater intelligence on our part - much greater * emphasis on intelligence gathering capability, more human intelligence, and * it's going to take more technical intelligence," he said. * * But using the U.S. military in a domestic law enforcement role would require * revisions to laws in force for more than a century, cautions Shreveport * attorney John Odom Jr. "You can't do it from the the Defense Department side * unless Congress dramatically revises the Posse Comitatus laws," said Odom, a * colonel in the U.S. Air Force Reserve and a reserve judge advocate. * * The 1878 law specifically prohibits the use of the military in domestic law * enforce- ment unless authorized by Congress or the Constitution and does not * allow for military intervention through action by the secretary of defense * or even an executive order from the president, Odom said. * * "We're trained from the first day of judge advocate school to think of Posse * Comitatus !! Odom said. "If Secretary Cohen is suggesting that the * Department of Defense be involved, it may be part of a legislative package. * But it will not happen unilaterally without a lot of folks thinking long and * hard about it." * * Cohen said terrorism would be a top priority in five new areas he plans to * focus on now that he has wrapped up his first defense budget, the * quadrennial review of the military and a new, four-year defense strategy. * * Other goals include modernizing the military, improving troops housing and * other benefits, streamlining the defense bureaucracy and shaping new * military relationships and contacts across the globe. * * * >From Staff and Wire Reports * The Times of the Ark-La-Tex * 15 September 1997 * (Submitted by Danny Cox) * * -- - Igor. The average American spends a total of six (6) months in prison.

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Re: [ZOG] MARXIST COHEN WANTS 'CURTAILED FREEDOM': CALL TO ARMSWANTED
by Tim May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 8:20 PM -0700 10/29/97, Igor Chudov @ home wrote: >* Terrorism is escalating to the point that Americans soon may have to choose >* between civil liberties and more intrusive means of protection. Defense >* Secretary William S. Cohen says. And no doubt this means GMR for all crypto. And if we say "No thanks" to the no-knock searches, the street friskings, the "Papierren, bitte??" travel restrictions, what then? Not much of a choice, eh? The spinmeisters are laying the groundwork for martial law. Just what we've been hearing about for years. Get ready. --Tim May The Feds have shown their hand: they want a ban on domestic cryptography ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^2,976,221 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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No Subject
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Either Klintonkov, the congresscritters, and the directors of everyone's favorite TLAs have *COMPLETELY* lost their marbles, or the word 'constitution' is about to become very un-PC. Get your plane tickets to countries where sanity still remains (if there are any left) before international air travel is suddenly banned because of 'terrorist threats to national security'. War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. Surveilance is Security. I'm from the government and I'm here to help you. ParanoiaMonger

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Just wanted to let you know
by DaveL＠classifiedcentral.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hey there, For those of you that don't know, you can find the Global Advertising Inter-Network at http://www.gainads.com. Their classified ads are accessible from over 475 different member sites around the world. Check em out! Dave

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Re: [ZOG] MARXIST COHEN WANTS 'CURTAILED FREEDOM': CALL TO ARMS WANTED
by Rebel Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

* Defense secretary calls for even more preventive measures. * * Terrorism is escalating to the point that Americans soon may have to choose * between civil liberties and more intrusive means of protection. Defense * Secretary William S. Cohen says. * * The nation's defense chief told the Army Times he once considered the * chilling specter of armored vehicles surrounding civilian hotels or * government buildings to block out terrorists as strictly an overseas * phenomenon. But no longer. Heavy shit ...and now it begins

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Re: PGP 5.5 available outside US
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Lucky Green wrote: > > It seems that unknown Cypherpunks have yet again shown their disrespect of > US export laws by exporting the latest version of PGP. The Windows version > of PGP 5.5 is now available for your downloading pleasure at > ftp://ftp.replay.com/pub/crypto/incoming/PGP55.zip No it is not!

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Re: Killing those who need killing (fwd)
by Mark Rogaski 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

An entity claiming to be wendigo wrote: >From wendigo Thu Oct 30 01:56:09 1997 Subject: Re: Killing those who need killing To: tcmay(a)got.net Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 01:56:09 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <v03102800b07d83cd05bd(a)[207.167.93.63]> from "Tim May" at Oct 29, 97 05:25:33 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 773 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 An entity claiming to be Tim May wrote: : : (Personally, were I to be arrested and held on such false charges, I'd : consider it necessary to kill those who illegally held me. Preferably from : a safe distance, with a sniper rifle. But then I'm a right wing libertarian : whacko.) Right wing, left wing, friggin' wingless ... the above comment still indicates a sociopath. Mark - -- [] Mark Rogaski "That which does not kill me [] wendigo(a)pobox.com only makes me stranger." -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBNFgviMHFI4kt/DQOEQI3TgCdEOML5s68dD/K850lbUtfUa7LQkoAoNp0 rKwN4YjssiKHobsYQ9qqBJR+ =24To -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- [] Mark Rogaski "That which does not kill me [] wendigo(a)pobox.com only makes me stranger."

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