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by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>On Sat, 1 Nov 1997, Anonymous wrote: >> If I were someone who wanted to make the internet look like a place >> that needed STRONG governmental controls I would put the words >> terrorists,criminals,pornographers,drug dealers/addicts, > >Fnord. > I have been wondering about all the media attention on "aids assasins" recently. "With a national list of people infected with the HIV virus, people could be more informed about the people they choose to have sex with" I'm sure that this national list will never be used by corporations when hiring people. It will also never be used to discredit people either, who would say "why are you listening to him, he is a faggot" or "he hangs out with fags, you know how all fags are."

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Re: Why porn must be stopped at all costs, by Jodi Hoffman
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Declan: >[Wow. First time I've ever been personally accused of being "a major >reason for the downward spiral of society." --Declan] Best way to mobilize a society: give them a Devil to hate. It's much easier to get people to hate than to love. Blame the Press, the Permissive Society, the Liberals, the Educational System. Of course, once you get rid of the Devil, it's usually a good idea to have the slave's collars on everyone BEFORE they realize the problem's still around. >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 11:53:27 -0500 >From: Jodi Hoffman <jlhoffm(a)ibm.net> >To: fight-censorship(a)vorlon.mit.edu >Subject: Why porn must be stopped at all costs..... [sneck] >Try as I might, I cannot forget standing on the steps of the Supreme >Court building with my husband and 10 year old daughter in the freezing >drizzle. I really thought we could make a difference, standing there >with our banner and signs, one of which read, "DON'T SACRIFICE MY CHILD >ON THE ALTAR OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT." Stupid me. As the saying >goes...we've come a long way, baby. You need a song to cheer you up. Try this one: "There's a place in the world for the angry young man With his working-class ties and his radical plans, He refuses to bend, he refuses to fall, And he's always at home with his back to the wall. He's proud of the scars and the battles he's lost And he struggles and bleeds as he hangs on the cross, And he likes to be known as the angry young man." --Billy Joel, "Angry Young Man" [sneck] >So, keep protecting your porn-induced orgasms. That's exactly what >happened with the Hitler youth, etc... After all, I'm sure it does help >to blur the lines of reality. You clearly need a better country to live in. I suggest China; they have a long history of keeping impure materials out of the hands of the easily influenced sheeple. If you have trouble there, perhaps Singapore, Iraq, Syria, or Lebanon would be more to your liking. If you're interested in a proven weight-loss program, maybe North Korea is your best bet. [sneck] >RULE FOR REVOLUTION #1: CORRUPT THE NATION'S YOUTH Done already, by the gub'mint. Kids can't read or write at all nowadays, despite the high level of per-pupil spending. >RULE FOR REVOLUTION #2: CONTROL THE MASS MEDIA Done already, by the FCC and the religious right. >RULE FOR REVOLUTION #3: ENCOURAGE PUBLIC INDIFFERENCE Done already, by the actions of mudsucker politicians who seek re-election at any cost, even the freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution. "I think I'll vote Demopublican this year, or maybe Republicrat. I have such a hard time telling their extremist positions apart." >RULE FOR REVOLUTION #4: ENCOURAGE PUBLIC BICKERING I could claim this was the reason Usenet was created, but I'm not a conspiracy buff. Of course, on C-SPAN, we can see politicians ranting at each other, the President, and nothing at all. >RULE FOR REVOLUTION #5: SEIZE POWER, THEN CENSOR The religious right again. >RULE FOR REVOLUTION #6: BANKRUPT THE GOVERNMENT See if you can guess who said this and when: "A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until a majority of voters discover that they can vote themselves largess out of the public treasury." Was it: a) Alexander Tytler, 18th century; b) Thomas Jefferson, early 1800s; c) Karl Marx, late 1800s; d) V. I. Lenin, 1915 Here's a hint: Pick the Scottish historian who lived in the 1700s. So the concept of a "bankrupt democracy" has been around for a while. >RULE FOR REVOLUTION #7: DESTROY NATIONAL VALUES Create a climate of fear. Spread uncertainty and doubt among the populace. Wave the battle flags of pedophilia and terrorism proudly from the ramparts, so that people gladly give up their liberties to be saved from the Horsemen of the Apocalypse. >RULE FOR REVOLUTION #8: ATTACK GUN OWNERSHIP If someone were to hang around your child's schoolyard with a full-auto AK-47, would you scream "DON'T SACRIFICE MY CHILD ON THE ALTAR OF THE SECOND AMENDMENT"? >RULES FOR REVOLUTION #9 AND #10: UNDERMINE THE ARMED FORCES Hey, that's one rule! >THE REALITY: >Our country's armed forces consume a vast percentage of our gross >national product. Defense of any kind is wasteful by nature. Even white corpuscles don't do jack when there's no infection to fight. >We possess the best and most advanced weapons systems in the world. But >our armed forces are a joke for two reasons: >(1) they are completely restrained in their actions by a hostile >Congress, and >(2) the armed forces have been saddled with such a bad reputation that >it is virtually impossible to fill the ranks with volunteers, even in >the new and streamlined armed services. Say what? The last I heard, military recruiting was up because it was a way to get training in technical areas that might otherwise be impossible for recruits to learn. (Of course, some people still have to carry rifles...) >FINAL REALITY: WELCOME TO AMERIKA, COMRADES. Land of the Freeh, and the home of the knave. Thanks for making it just a little worse by your actions.

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Re: Copyright commerce and the street musician protocol
by Chris Wedgwood 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Steve Schear <steve(a)lvdi.net> writes: [...] In the second part, Eric predicted that because of the Net's economics and anonymous mailing and publication potential copyrights were on their way out. He acknowledged that some workable method of artist compensation was still needed and proposed the movie industry as a possible model. In this scenario a multi-level money collection and product distribution scheme would be supported by artist reputation and completion bonds. This is just an observation, I have no idea how true this is and if it is to what extent, but... I have several friends who work in the `movie business' and all of these people claim that the "multi-level money collection" system is in fact a very poor system. There is considerable fraud and abuse at all levels (from cinema to production) which means that the end result is that the artists are no paid all they are `owed' and that the consumer pays a premium for what they receive. Without going into details, I can think of many ways that abuse could indeed occur and wouldn't necessarily encourage this type of model for 'net commerce. Perhaps a similar situation exists with books? -Chris

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Re: Why Jodi Hoffman must be called a 'Dumb Cunt' and told to 'Go Fuck Yourself' at all costs, by TruthMonger
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

TruthMonger wrote: > Thanks for replying to my email. It's the first one I ever got. > Everyone else just ignores me. Go figure... Theory #1 TruthMonger's true identity is the ventriloquist dummy from 'Soap'. Theory #2 Those strange sounds you hear when lying quietly in bed at night? They are the sound of people slapping their foreheads when they realize they are arguing with a dummy. (;>} A. Dummy II

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Funding Cypherpunks Action Projects
by bureau42 Anonymous Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I have worked out a plan whereby we can auction off the role of Cypherpunks Chief Spokesperson in order to fund CAP's. The idea for a Spokesperson pyramid scheme came to me after realizing that the list has not only a variety of individuals competing as the chief list 'Fed baiters', but also quite a number of people who enjoy 'Christian baiting', as well: TruthMonger, playing with his private parts, wrote: > Why does it not come as a surprise that this Dumb Cunt Nazi Christian > Bitch (TM) is hiding behind 'the children,' hoping that it will prevent > her from being a target of reprisal for the bullshit she is flinging > at others? > Why doesn't someone shoot this Dumb Cunt Nazi Christian Bitch? > If it saves the life of just one child... Eric Cordian spit out: > "Puritanism" might be defined as the fear that someone, somewhere, is > having a porn-induced orgasm. Stable people tend to worry about their > own orgasms, and not their neighbors. Perhaps if you had a few > orgasms yourself, you might lose interest in the orgasms of others. > [Nonsense Deleted] > Please bite my enormous throbbing love sausage with an ice cube in your > mouth. Jesus Christ wrote: > If you will check the Biblical Archives, I think you will find > that Peter never really fooled anyone, either. > {Speaking of which, do you also plan to censor the parts of the > Bible which quote my use of the word, "cock?"} There is no telling how much money we could raise by appealing to the macho male egos on the list who lock horns in CypherPissing cock-size wars, if we were to take bids on the honor of being the Cypherpunks' authorized 'Fed-baiter' or 'Christian-pisser', etc. Given the wide variety of individuals, groups, organizations, corporations, government agencies, etc., which have been the target of vicious attacks on this list, there is no end of the number of CypherPisser Ambassadorships we could invent to fill the Cypherpunks Action Projects coffers. Cypherpunks Chief MLM Spokesman

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Re: www.cypherpunks.to
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Lucky Green wrote: > > What happened to www.cypherpunks.to? It appears to have disappeared. > > The server works fine and I can reach it from the US. I tried www.cypherpunks.to and couldn't get connected. I dropped the www and got sent to the www site. And the root password there is...

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No Subject
by bureau42 Anonymous Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Igor Chudov @ home spoke: > > This Jodi Hoffman is most likely laughing at you all > after baiting you so successfully. > > I refuse to believe that she could have been so dumb to write > what she wrote, seriously. Believe it, Igor. There's a large number of people in the country who believe as she does, though perhaps not too many of them have the chutzpah to post such opinions to the fight-censorship list (where it could certainly be interpreted as a troll). Let's face it, there're a lot of people in the US who'd be happier if they were governed like China or Singapore; they want a stern authoritarian voice keeping society 'decent' and the homosexuals and other 'perverts' under control and out of sight, regulating what you can read and watch on TV, and what gets taught in schools, regulating what you can smoke and drink and sniff, and indoctrinating children into and enforcing the rules of the locally preferred religion. While they may pay lip service to it, they care little for the first amendment (except as it assures //them// the right to express //their// views or practice //their// religion). Sure, they'll wave the flag and mouth the words 'Constitution' and 'Bill of Rights', but their solution to every disagreement is 'put them in jail' or 'pass another law'. Frondeur -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBNF9fllqnO6WRZ1UEEQKiSgCfQpuXZmx3Ry+GHKE83zzR3do11sUAoKzT ldtqH9pCnLO9QRrAoGaEfPGj =LOUx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 mQGiBDQn15YRBADp/iepGjB1hBoGgkKI+g4kHRtBQfpeR9BfwQP3E/GA+82SnLk+ BVExZEXaqgqq4cu3j89auJd+rSi++PpAuV03DpLfdTCdLQDrExEd63w0BYeM4g7L B7TA4LfSHgAuKwwtNPkgCfj7eWE34XOWTIbxnkQqMJyDLjzOUm/8LVHADQCg/8uo JZ1FmULWIhscEE1upL61+9kD/0zFqguqDrey8XHxRJeYom/UpEVV4gCJwkYrrew8 SKjtrUEHVA7la2TntCdXSQR5IrF5AWiamChxbCWdZE1F5bLl7xQgGrEJNNDk23Py L8ihmOYZk03rKYlaeUCxADKlI9hcWlGpsJnF6XRqjMltwfEe9S+zrsBRFQw3A7WR 4xwXA/9MiD+r0+ClUzJ1fC9dMJNDQQZQYdS0aiuh463cT3GI/CHJ34UD9ptmBLtQ ZEn0O0vK8eWSkw7vmrbqUekxgpl+B7tytuDKWHPUUgryblC0s986YSpnyeGZ0nt9 anzqKDqMOP3e1YVf8qJpZRPgzKl1KSncCGZ7CdVGgVxdl125vbQcRnJvbmRldXIg PGZyb25kZXVyQGRldi5udWxsPokASwQQEQIACwUCNCfXlgQLAwECAAoJEFqnO6WR Z1UE0rMAnRl8SRsYyH+IXH4yB3CzeF91V8J7AJ9Pk6oR9kFKbyUZyDIpbLkVC62F bbkCDQQ0J9eWEAgA9kJXtwh/CBdyorrWqULzBej5UxE5T7bxbrlLOCDaAadWoxTp j0BV89AHxstDqZSt90xkhkn4DIO9ZekX1KHTUPj1WV/cdlJPPT2N286Z4VeSWc39 uK50T8X8dryDxUcwYc58yWb/Ffm7/ZFexwGq01uejaClcjrUGvC/RgBYK+X0iP1Y TknbzSC0neSRBzZrM2w4DUUdD3yIsxx8Wy2O9vPJI8BD8KVbGI2Ou1WMuF040zT9 fBdXQ6MdGGzeMyEstSr/POGxKUAYEY18hKcKctaGxAMZyAcpesqVDNmWn6vQClCb AkbTCD1mpF1Bn5x8vYlLIhkmuquiXsNV6TILOwACAgf/fc9Mli0WztsQDfF/Itxp IiQzM5mvFq00BwHGvoKTdU+c8FWz3ZS0yzqpIwPp4wEvMLEC6xfTrGJzOxtdH4wO MHjHPVrykbc/6HkF9L10soea6Lc6/Ar93yIC+IpPmkcchPxKkYN+VEWGv97otWpS QwMHtMImUaPJ69jtn/oBtKjc9SlIy5ib5eIhchp1vEC75P4EwlPgOWXsGZA9IR63 0W8im1gNv8W9Egd1RCPFEt/UG7mpAjg7/SekUsOKksRWuC5MOEH1fSvVBIYjoMxG EYNMF632rxmhkC8bPKUeIuhpXJzHaqaE8yFA4YKw0K2TuQ/mHZ1L4KqPWH52h4Sc OokAPwMFGDQn15ZapzulkWdVBBECzMYAnA+Lv3zZm8Ptc7nPB2yz2FVFsL2JAJ4w v64l2UxSDvLRRZDDZY3B2LhJTw== =/z57 -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

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Jodi Hoffman: Homophobe!!!!!!!!
by Ross Wright 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: http://199.227.69.135/ramp/aletter.html You might wish to add that most "homosexual" suicides are probably normal kids who have been seduced into an abnormal lifestyle encouraged by our schools and culture; or at the very least, they were probably suffering under the weight of excessive sexual harassment, in the form of our current crop of pathological sex-education programs. =-=-=-=-=-=- Ross Wright King Media: Bulk Sales of Software Media and Duplication Services http://ross.adnetsol.com Voice: (408) 259-2795

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[ON TOPIC] Re: Why porn must be stopped at all costs, by Jodi Hoffman
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Paul Spirito wrote: > >Alexander Tyler wrote: > >> "A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only > >> exist until a majority of voters discover that they can vote themselves > >> largess out of the public treasury." > This assumes there is a "majority of voters". Read James Madison, & kiss a > multiculturalist today. > Now can we get back to denouncing Jewish Nazis? Sorry, that's off-topic. You _can_, however, discuss 'Remailer Hating Nazis'...

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PGP 5.0: Keyservers
by lcs Mixmaster Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Out of curiosity, what protection is there for PGP 5.x users submitting keys to the keyservers? Would it not be trivial for somebody to see what dialup SLIP link a key is coming from and tie that key to the person submitting it? That isn't a problem for personal keys, but it is a big problem for psuedonyms. Is there some kind of mechanism in place for submitting such keys via anonymous remailers? This might already have been covered by other Cypherpunks or the PGP folks. ParanoiaMonger

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