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Forwarded mail...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 21:24:12 +0100 (MET) > From: nobody(a)REPLAY.COM (Anonymous) > Subject: Re: The Great Awakening (fwd) > Jim Choate wrote: > >No, "The Second Great Awakening" which happened to be followed by "The Third > >Great Awakening". > > > >You didn't read the various posts that I sent out earlier on this did you... > > Uh, Hello? Your post entitled "1st Great Awakening" describes the exact > same thing that I called simply, "The Great Awakening." It was not, as you > say above, the 2nd one. They are they same if we ignore the fact that there is 50+ years between the 1st (1700-1750) and the 2nd (1800-1850). > I did read the various posts you sent. I don't know who chose the names for > the 2nd and 3rd "Great Awakenings", but they don't seem to have much to do > with religious revivalism like your "1st Great Awakening" and what I (and > the definitive Norton Anthology) refer to as simply "The Great Awakening." > > Nerthus Then you should go back and read them some more. In fact, if you still have the originals they include in the header the URL where I got the data from. Take the 10 minutes and go over and take a look at them. All three were related to religous revivalism in one form or another. The 1st (which itself some consider to be the second occurance of a previous movement as indicated in the title) did not occur in the 1800's which was the original precis that somebody threw out I did some looking around as well and other then Norton, yourself, and whoever it was that made the original claim all references I can find to the Great Awakening refer to the 1700-1750 event(s) as the first one to occur in the America's. If I can find my Norton Anthology I'll take a look at it, though it is 15+ years old. > >Subject: 1st Great Awakening > [...] > > X-within-URL: http://www.fourthturning.com/html/great_awakening.html ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > The Great Awakening (Second Turning, 1727-1746) began as a spiritual ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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internet access monitored and censored
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

*** my email is david.f(a)mailexcite.com Hi all please help me, this is the problem our network admin is monitoring our internet access for "bad sites" detection he is also blocking many of these sites he is also (again !) blocking ports 8000-9000 (for public http proxies) and 3128-3130 for public squid caches what to do than ? please if you know a public proxy accessible under a port not in the blocked range, or if you know a proxy or a search engine with SSl enabled please email that to me *** my email is david.f(a)mailexcite.com *** really sorry for using a remailer, i cant access my mailexcite account cause he may sniff my password *** but i'm sure of one thing, he is not subscribed to this list ;-)

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Re: The Great Awakening (fwd)
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >The effect/influence of SAD has been shown in the past to be much >greater during high levels of El Nino activity. > >TAT#3207/coe Jim Choate wrote: >No, "The Second Great Awakening" which happened to be followed by "The Third >Great Awakening". > >You didn't read the various posts that I sent out earlier on this did you... Uh, Hello? Your post entitled "1st Great Awakening" describes the exact same thing that I called simply, "The Great Awakening." It was not, as you say above, the 2nd one. I did read the various posts you sent. I don't know who chose the names for the 2nd and 3rd "Great Awakenings", but they don't seem to have much to do with religious revivalism like your "1st Great Awakening" and what I (and the definitive Norton Anthology) refer to as simply "The Great Awakening." Nerthus >From: Jim Choate <ravage(a)ssz.com> >Subject: 1st Great Awakening [...] > X-within-URL: http://www.fourthturning.com/html/great_awakening.html > > The Great Awakening (Second Turning, 1727-1746) began as a spiritual > revival in the Connecticut Valley and reached an hysterical peak in > the northern colonies (in 1741) with the preachings of George > Whitefield and the tracts of Jonathan Edwards. The enthusiasm split > towns and colonial assemblies, shattered the 'old light' > establishment, and pitted young believers in 'faith' against elder > defenders of 'works.' After bursting polite conventions and lingering > Old World social barriers, the enthusiasm receded during King GeorgeÆs > War. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBNHRZO+FWwZe05jcJAQFsAgf7BPYUwqK0cPp6eVHtS6lfDwS8qz23FX9s AxVfv73Yf5Y77Bc3SfPoT3BuGaaQ18mew3DMvC7uNWVdvi2wDDeNcbjZrdkNzizM 5alu/Woyf8nh8R5n7W9ZrRX0QDLDt35kh+TIvmgVUzzI/BgpT+bOBMvmcWQEqoGD bFo63V/0b4X0H1UvD43hQu/vPZ7bqXeusclJduAK6wN7IrY/oP8yobAt50Lg6IOE iXToO3Sk/D4/xpIvhTBQJcKs2B8qGdBlGKeg8MhNQovPwfMDcqgn/E+UDV0/NWvE 1gDiZ7zNC7MRQSPb8tNRPFUjeXWoAqRslLKJkxkCB8tbRQ2KjjWhLQ== =Vg92 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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ECC Challenge
by amp＠pobox.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hmmm... A cracking challenge that doesn't appear to be snake oil... As reported in PCweek Found at http://www.certicom.com/challenge.htm Certicom Packs more than a Decade of Research into its ECC Challenge Certicom has created and launched an ECC Challenge, giving cryptographers and mathematicians who are new to the Elliptic Curve Cryptosystem (ECC) the benefit of hands-on experience with elliptic curve algebra. The Certicom ECC Challenge is the result of research and development into ECC by Certicom's cryptographic experts. The Certicom ECC Challenge, posted at Certicom's web site, is expected to draw participation from cryptographers and mathematicians around the world, giving them the opportunity to work with elementary elliptic curve algebraic problems and test their own knowledge against what are internationally recognized to be difficult and infeasible problems. "We believe the Certicom ECC Challenge is a great way for those cryptographers and mathematicians who are looking to expand their knowledge of elliptic curve algebra to form a strong appreciation for the security of ECC," said Dr. Scott A. Vanstone, Certicom's Chief Cryptographer. Participants in the Certicom ECC Challenge must try to compute an ECC private key at a particular key size, given the corresponding ECC public key and a set of parameters. As a lead-up to the Challenge, Certicom has included a set of Exercise problems, the simplest of which should be solved in a matter of hours following the Challenge's launch. Prizes will be awarded for the first correct answer to each of the Exercises. Mathematical software to facilitate cryptography-related computations and a copy of the Handbook of Applied Cryptography will be awarded for the 79 and 89-bit Exercises, and US$5,000 for the 97-bit Exercises. Prizes have also been set for both Level I and II Challenge problems, including those which are considered infeasible based on current knowledge and available computing capabilities. The highest prize is US$100,000 to find a 359-bit ECC private key. The elliptic curves for the Level II Challenges meet the stringent security requirements imposed by forthcoming ANSI banking standards, specifically ANSI X9.62 and X9.63. Visit Certicom's web site for ongoing status report of the ECC Challenge. Go to the Certicom ECC Challenge For more information about ECC, check out Certicom's ECC Tutorials and Whitepapers. === E-mail: amp(a)pobox.com Date: 11/21/97 Time: 04:36:03 Visit me at http://www.pobox.com/~amp -export-a-crypto-system-sig -RSA-3-lines-PERL #!/bin/perl -sp0777i<X+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0<j]dsj $/=unpack('H*',$_);$_=`echo 16dio\U$k"SK$/SM$n\EsN0p[lN*1 lK[d2%Sa2/d0$^Ixp"|dc`;s/\W//g;$_=pack('H*',/((..)*)$/) Have you seen http://www.public-action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum ===

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Jim Bell's Sentencing Delayed Again
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jim Bell was scheduled to be sentenced today at 9:30 AM. I called the court's ever-helpful administrative office (1-253-593-6754) for a report and was told that sentencing had been postponed until December 12, 10:30AM. Other info: Mail sent to Jim (not by me) since his request for books has been returned twice that I know about Books sent to Kitsap County jail, where he was first incarcerated, was returned marked "Not in Jail." After this an inquiry to the court was made about Jim's location (not by me) and it was learned that he had been transferred to Federal Detention Center at SeaTac, WA. A letter sent there recently was returned unopened, marked "Return to Writer." The court docket today at 8:00PM does not list his relocation nor the new sentencing date. However, entries usually appear a day or so after an action: http://jya.com/jimbell-dock3.htm Perhaps one of our legal subscribers could comment on what's going on with these repeated delays in sentencing, especially whether it's common to do so after a plea agreement is reached. Now, scuttlebutt: a person at a Seattle legal document service told me today that another case is coming up similar to Jim's that also alleges "intimidation of IRS officials." Whether that relates to delays in Jim's case is a mystery inside an enigma.

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Re: Report on UN conference on Internet and racism
by nobody＠neva.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Anonymous <nobody(a)replay.com> wrote: >Actually, many studies have found that immigrants, legal and illegal, >make a net positive contribution to the economy, even considering >their access to government services. Anyone who has worked with >these people knows that most of them work harder than native born >Americans. > >Even aside from the strictly economic balance sheets, giving these >people the opportunity to succeed in a free country is a significant >moral benefit which must count in favor of free immigration. > >They also serve to make our country more multi-cultural, with greater >awareness and appreciation of the value of alternate customs and >lifestyles. We develop "hybrid vigor", as our culture is cross >fertilized by elements from all around the world. The result is an >incredibly dynamic and flexible culture, which is why the United >States will continue to be a world leader for the next century. These are all excellent points. If people are successful in forming strong cross border relationships, it may no longer be meaningful to describe one country or another as a "world leader". >Of course, this gift of diversity causes immigrants to be hated and >feared by racists such as Tim May, who sees them only as targets to >mock with threats of murder: > >> Ironically, the authorities are refusing to enforce the immigration >> laws. This is why the militias here in California have been forced >> to deal with illegal immigrants in the only way left to >> them. (There's a hunt in Imperial Valley this coming Saturday.) He may be a bastard, but he's *our* bastard! ;-) Seriously, I think you are doing yourself a disservice to characterize Tim May as a mere racist. His views are obviously more complex and interesting than that. In this case, he is making a joke. I think. Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.htm -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNHN0xJaWtjSmRH/5AQHzdgf+P0E375vWVovGPwO2ktrDxEaw9OraP5ua 7o8a4nBoyYmt260hLsi8hjl9Ae4qjFQIQvDJ5JMlWgS4VOWOCjvOkAs7LG4Vnxk7 8/AvxzcBWL5XjNMNbvvDpRb+fPvEffovYT/8E/EN5aePRvqtSq7YifwqbRWuYraF PEOYqs4am/v68uLg4N0rb3uomfgr+C/WqOEPd1jMYkjnUIJg9k+Br+HGqCNFgsfN T15b4jaKN5nGsaANiXY9E87WTxpXuXBzmyfLea4I/AuB36m7/kdCm5CyObFFMpSE 2lueUotU/shH3dBWdEwbKLmsVyyx4AxJ7iRPRx+qJF9V3Z5QnIfPRg== =7QR5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Scientology war update
by Tim Griffiths 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Wired has a good article on how the war of words on alt.scientology.religion has split over into dawn raids and hardware seizures: http://www.wired.com/wired/3.12/features/alt.scientology.war.html If this is what can be achieved, think what can happen when the government _really_ puts its back it suppression. Time to PGP every file I own... Tim -- Dr Tim Griffiths is in real life t.griffiths(a)ic.ac.uk Vmail on (0)-1392-264197 Public key available - finger tim(a)tim01.ex.ac.uk - Nothing is trivial -

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Re: Nobuki Nakatuji
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jonathan Wienke wrote: >Due to his distinctive writing style, John Young should probably have >his anonymous posts translated into English by Nobuki if he truly >wishes to remain anonymous. Good god, Jonathan, you trying to get the JY-box TWA 800ed on CIA-TV Barney? Send fee for using TM nym. Spoofing persistent identities, writing style, secret thoughts and hidden agendas are adult-nut-rated kid's stuff here, the weirdo pitches the easiest of all, especially the puretext missionary position in white socks style of blackhearts which ever vaunts itself best See Jane Read Spot. Who do you think "John Young" is if not a machinic composite of all previous, current and conceivable and abortable of cpunks, and pseudo-cpunks, extra bile-sauced with apish objective journalism gone stale, foul, rancid and roadkill tastier, by all the crazed truly knowns and unknowns passing through claoked in incredibly ordinary, goofily Anglicized, hide-shame names of the world's English-imitating kill-native cultures. To wit: "John Young," no other vapid pseudonym have ever been so often used to hide god's evilist holies. Except the other subscribers.

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Re: Copyrights and Wrongs, from The Netly News
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Congress has voted to make not-for-profit copyright infringments a federal felony, as I write in my article at: http://cgi.pathfinder.com/netly/opinion/0,1042,1588,00.html A Federal court in _LaMacchia_ noted that: "Since 1897, when criminal copyright infringement was first introduced into U.S. copyright law, the concept differentiating criminal from civil copyright violations has been that the infringement must be pursued for purposes of commercial exploitation." This now changes. For the first time in the history of the U.S., nonprofit (noncommercial) copying is a crime. When doing research for the story I stumbled across this quote, from the Supreme Court in Dowling v. United States, 473 U.S. 207 (1985): ...Interference with copyright does not easily equate with theft, conversion or fraud. The Copyright Act even employs a separate term of art to define one who misappropriates a copyright: "Anyone who violates any of the exclusive rights of the copyright owner..." [...] The infringer invades a statutorily defined province guaranteed to the copyright holder alone. But he does not assume physical control over the copyright; nor does he wholly deprive its owner of its use. While one may colloquially like infringement with some general notion of wrongful appropriation, infringement plainly implicates a more complex set of property interests than does run-of-the-mill theft, conversion or fraud. -Declan ------------------------- Declan McCullagh Time Inc. The Netly News Network Washington Correspondent http://netlynews.com/

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police state rumors
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

------- Forwarded Message >>The following is an UNCONFIRMED RUMOR. If you have any information >>to confirm or deny these statements, please post and cc: >>safety.security(a)cancomm.com. As always, please specify your sources as >>precisely as possible. Thanks, Wes Thomas >> >>-- Forwarded -- >> >>To all, >> >>This e-mail came to me by way of public user in a public library. There was >>no use in replying to this party for he would probably not be the one to >>receive my reply. I cannot verify the facts as presented in this post, but >>I'm sending this out for comments. Anyone with further information on this >>situation please forward it through your network and cc: me a copy at >>safety.security(a)cancomm.com. >> >>Best Regards, >> >>Al Colombo, Editor >>Safety & Security Magazine >>safety.security(a)cancomm.com >>http://web.raex.com/~colombo/ >> >>>Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 13:47:18 -0800 >>>From: *** Public PC User -- Library Documents <user(a)***.edu> >>>Subject: military weapons issud to police depts. >>>To: colombo >>> >>>I'm a former cop with 16 years of experience including intelligence, >>>SWAT, tactical operations, criminal investigations. >>> >>>Police depts. are receiving free of charge from the Defense logistics >>>Agency all kinds of military pattern small arms. these include m-16's >>>(full auto kind), ammo, and even bayonets. Also included is webb gear, >>>ammo pouches, ponchos, night vision devices and passive infra-red and >>>thermal imaging night sights or night vision devices. >>> >>>Sources of mine in the State of WA., say that many PD's are now training >>>in advanced small unit tactics involving MOUT scenarios at the Yakima >>>Army Training Center. MOUT deals with street fighting in an urban >>>warfare context. >>> >>>In addition, automatic weapons instruction (small arms) is also given to >>>these units at the training center and some units report Army >>>instructors (mostly special forces types) are instructing them in long >>>range snipe fire and concenalment mehtods, including reconnaisance and >>>intelligence gathering in the field. >>> >>>Now here's the kicker. The WA. State Criminal Justice Training >>>Commision is allegedly (good source on this) considering expanding the >>>police academy curriculum and training hours from the present 440 hrs. >>>to twice that amount. Civil unrest and street fighting tactics are to >>>be included in the new blocs of instruction. Additional emphasis on >>>sniper and full auto weapons training and intelligence gathering >>>missions, plus joint tactical doctrine in order to facilitate working >>>with military units may also be included. I hear other states are to >>>join in with the same agenda to be implemented. >>> >>>Sources with WA. State Emergency Management Services report that the WA. >>>State Patrol is now designated the LEAD co-ordinating agency for all >>>WAs. State police operations in the event of an emergency and in >>>co-ordinating these operations with elements of the National Guard and >>>US regular Army! >> >>*********************************************************** >>EWAR-L Electronic Warfare Mailing List >>To unsubscribe or subscribe: send a message to majordomo(a)sonic.net >>with the following text: unsubscribe EWAR-L or subscribe EWAR-L. >>To post messages, send to: <EWAR-L(a)sonic.net>. Previous posts: >><http://www.sonic.net/~west/ewar/digest.htm>. EWAR Web site: >><http://www.sonic.net/~west/ewar/ewar.htm>. >>-Wes Thomas <west(a)sonic.net>, list owner >> > > >`````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` >This Hyperborea message was transmitted by or redirected from: >onelight(a)eznet.net >... >[*]^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^[*] >| The Galactic Courier @ Hyperborea | >| Internet News Tabloid for the Galactic Guilder | >| Metaphysics & Mischief in Cyberspace | >| ___"all the news that's fit to post!"___ | >[*]_____________________________________________________________________[*] > - - --------------5E8B804B1B913D9C90795D2F-- - ------- End of Forwarded Message ------- End of Forwarded Message --===========================_ _= 9575805(248)--

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