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EC to require "voluntary" tagging of harmful materials
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[Is it just me or have a bunch of international bureaucrats suddenly decided they really, really want to regulate the Net? Of course this has been in the works for some time. Reference: http://www.eff.org/pub/Publications/Declan_McCullagh/iu.plague.073196.artic… -- Declan] ******** BRUSSELS (November 17, 1997 1:53 p.m. EST http://www.nando.net) - The European Commission is set to suggest guidelines on Tuesday for codes of conduct aimed at protecting children from harmful material on the Internet or other online networks. The codes would be drawn up by service providers themselves in each of the 15 European Union countries, reflecting the Commission's preference for self-regulation in the sensitive area of Internet content. Reluctant to propose new legislation to rein in the global computer network, the Commission says in a draft report that the EU must respect the "fundamental democratic principles of freedom of expression and respect for privacy." The report, expected to be adopted at the Commission's weekly meeting in Strasbourg, proposes that EU ministers adopt a recommendation asking governments and industry players to cooperate to keep sexually explicit and other harmful online material away from children. The central plank of the recommendation, parts of which would cover the television industry as well, is a network of voluntary codes of conduct. The report, a copy of which was obtained by Reuters, says the codes should ensure that legal but potentially harmful online material is flagged in some way -- for example, through warning pages, descriptive labelling or systems to check ages of users. Parents and teachers should when possible also be given tools to filter out unwanted content so that children can use computer networks without supervision, it says. Users could install filter software themselves or operators could limit access to certain sites, the proposal says. The codes should also set up "hotlines" for handling complaints about illegal content that is "offensive to human dignity," as well as rules for cooperating with judicial and police authorities to combat the circulation of such material, it says. They should also introduce "dissuasive measures" for companies who violate the codes, with appeal and mediation procedures available. The report asks the broadcast industry to experiment with new means of protecting minors and informing viewers, although it gives no specific suggestions. It also asks each country to set up a national body able to share information with its EU counterparts. The United States is also searching for ways to shield children from harmful Internet material after the Supreme Court in June struck down parts of a law banning indecent material as unconstitutional.

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Bulk Email For Profit
by pizouguo91＠shiny.it 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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You can easily pull hundreds of thousands of addresses out of each of these member directories. 11. CompuServe File Cabinet: If you run classified ads, and save the responses in the CIM file cabinet, you'll be able to easily reuse these addresses. You can send your marketing letter to everyone in any single folder. Build master lists and clean UP your hard drive. 12. Free Form: If you have a text file with email addresses that floodgate does not support, chances are the Free Form filter will be just what you need. Just enter a key word to search for. 13. CompuServe Form Profiles (Forum Membership Directories): Easy to build targeted lists here. Each search can easily bring you 500+ addresses. 14. Genie Profiles: If you're building targeted lists, you'll get a lot of addresses very quickly from Genie. 15. Plain Addresses: Read Floodgate Master Files back into Floodgate to merge files and do selective mailings. 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Bob Hettinga's attention surplus disorder
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Several people have commented about Bob Hettinga's verbosity, Thompsonesque writing style, and apparent limitless supply of bubbly energy. Sometime ago during a discussion of ADD (Attention Deficit Disorder) Bob told his story on the list. He explained that he had had ADD, but was now on amphetamines to counteract this, and was feeling much better. It was quite brave of him to discuss this openly. I suspect what we are seeing is that the amphetamines are more than counteracting his putative ADD problems, to the extent that he has more energy than normal to write long winded Thompsonesque rants, the content of which could be more clearly expressed in a treatise 1/10th the size. Impatience is a useful trait, because it causes one to reconsider the efficiency of approaches. Most of us simply don't have the patience to even read the voluminous posts of Bob's to locate the actual content amidst the colorful metaphors (rocket launchers, snot covered gun barrels, etc). No offense to Bob, but I think his effectiveness would improve if he let off the amphetamines a touch. Amad3us -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 6.6.6 iQCVAwUBNHLfjfKMuKFNFivhAQEcwQQAwLjYCGsg1Tq7+wuLpOpgsJb88Chf9+5a F2ZOliNb2pQ2S8/YbmOADHgfD+dWtwA1WLWNmsMFjCFEogBxExf5pJPOtxf/pK5P P+AcbEfsEx5PpSs+QCZOrVm3nG0CQCHYfeWKS7ftWsfl2NsHG5trU4g13WcFGH5M WlCKoTWad0Y= =xiE5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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US Constitution & law coverage
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Section 2. The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority; -- to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls; -- to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction; -- to Controversies between two or more States; -- between a State and Citizens of another State; -- between Citizens of different States; -- between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States; -- and between a State, or the Citizens thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects. In all Cases, affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction. In all other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make. The Trial of all Crimes, except in Cases of Impeachment, shall be by Jury; and such Trial shall be held in the State where the said Crimes shall have been committed; but when not committed within any State, the Trial shall be at such Place or Places as the Congress may by Law have directed. Section 3. New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new States shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress. The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States, and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice any Claims of the United States, or of any particular State. Section 4. The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic violence. All Debts contracted and Engagements entered into, before the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation. This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding. ARTICLE XI. The Judicial power of the United States shall not be construed to extend to any suit in law or equity, commenced or prosecuted against one of the United States by Citizens of another State, or by Citizens or Subjects of any Foreign State. [8 January 1798.] ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: Report on UN conference on Internet and racism
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Why can't they have it both ways for this one particular point? For instance, at netlynews.com, we have unmoderated bulletin board areas and "talk about it" sections where we want our readers to be able to speak freely -- no matter what country they're from. -Declan On Fri, 19 Jan 1990, Jonathan Gaw wrote: > I could imagine numerous scenarios where ISPs would prefer the telephone > company analogy of being a passive carrier, as opposed to the publisher > model. can they have it both ways? > > Jonathan Gaw > The Star Tribune > > Declan McCullagh wrote: > > > > My take on it is that overseas citizens have no Constitutional rights. > > However ISPs in the U.S. have rights that U.S. laws recognize and protect. > > > > If a U.S. law prevented an ISP from contracting to put a web site online, > > it would be like a law that prevented a U.S. book company from publishing a > > book penned by a German. Or the Netly News from publishing an article > > written by our London correspondent. Such a law would be facially > > unconstitutional. > > > > Perhaps the analogy between an ISP and publisher is inexact, but that's the > > type of analysis I'd pursue. > > > > -Declan > > > > At 23:33 +0100 11/18/97, Peter Herngaard wrote: > > >Does the First Amendment prevent the Congress from passing > > >a law that would make it illegal for anyone who is outside the United > > >States to > > >set up a web site in the U. S. in violation of a local speechcode? > > >For example, a German nazi organization could establish a WWW site in > > >California out of reach > > >of German law. > > >Would it be constitutional to make a law barring foreign citizens from > > >violating the speech > > >codes of their home countries using a U. S. ISP? > > ------------------------------------------------ > Jonathan Gaw > The Star Tribune > 612-673-4237 (voice) > jgaw(a)startribune.com (e-mail) > 425 Portland Avenue, Minneapolis, MN 55488 > http://www.startribune.com/etherblot > ----- Wasting Digital Bandwidth Since 1986 ----- >

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Dr Doobs'CD (was Re: technical issues of the list)
by Mixmaster 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>> up on the web, ready for people to mirror. Dr. Dobbs' Journal sells >> a Cryptography CD-ROM with AC v 2, etc. on it for $99, and combined with > >Has anyone actually received this yet? I ordered mine in August, and I I called a couple of days ago. they said it should be shipped within 2 weeks...

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RE: export restictions and investments
by Jack Oswald 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I am also aware of a company called VASCO that bought a crypto chip maker in Belgium which was apparently OK too. Jack -----Original Message----- From: Jyri Kaljundi [SMTP:jk@stallion.ee] Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 1997 4:45 AM To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com; cryptography(a)c2.net Subject: export restictions and investments How do the US export restrictions affect investments into non-US crypto companies? Is it legal for US private persons or companies to invest money into companies developing strong crypto applications for example in Europe? Since Sun bought the Russian Elvis+ company it seems to be Ok, just wanted to check if there are any other opinions. Does anyone know of any other non-US companies that have received US investments, or venture capital or whatever? Jyri Kaljundi jk(a)stallion.ee AS Stallion Ltd http://www.stallion.ee/

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Dateline / Nov. 18/97
by TruthMonger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"I break the law by engaging in prostitution." "I break the law by doing illegal drugs." "I want others to go to jail for breaking the law, based on my testimony." Did the concern for the upholding of the letter of the law, by the allegedly abused woman, the police and the prosecutors, extend to requiring the accuser to be punished for her own violation of the law? I can hardly wait for the school-yard crack dealers to testify in the hate-speech prosecution of concerned parents who call them 'niggers'. Is it my imagination, or are there a lot of people going to jail based on the testimony of people who want other people to be prosecuted for crimes, but who don't want to be prosecuted for their own crimes? God Bless what the mainstream press still claims is America! TruthMonger

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ITAR
by lcs Mixmaster Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

If someone writes a piece of software, a networking layer, or anything else with support for later cryptographic enhancement but doesn't actually include the cryptographic implementation and it is later added by somebody outside of the United States does this fall under ITAR? In other words the original U.S. authors wrote the software with support for crypto, function hooks, etc. They didn't include any crypto at all. Somebody outside the United States uses these hooks and writes strong cryptography. These modifications are kept as patches and never exported from the U.S.. Is this allowed? What if the U.S. authors are actively collaborating with the non-US authors?

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Nonookie Matsurbatshi's final offer...
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

TruthMonger wrote: > > * News of the Weird reported in 1994 on the controversy over who > owned the world's largest cow hairball > In the course of his work at a local beef plant, > Canchola plucks out the non-championship hairballs, dries them, > has colleague Frank Alcala paint faces or scenery on them, and sells > them for $50 each. For more details: http://misty.com/chop_chop.htm

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