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Re: Civil War Crypto Question...
by jim＠mentat.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jim Choate skribis: > On pp. 43 - 44 [of Hagerman's "The American Civil War..."] > ... a 'cipher disk' whereby the Union was able to > change their telegraph codes on an hourly schedule. It was apparently very > effictive in dealing with taps and such. > > Anyone know of another source that discusses this disk? I looked in Applied There's a very brief mention of a disk in "Masked Dispatches: Cryptograms and Cryptology in American History, 1775-1900", available from the NSA Central Security Service. (Series 1, Pre-World War 1, Volume 1, United States Cryptologic History), Center for Cryptologic History, by Ralph E. Weber, 1993. On page 110 he says: "The North, on the other hand, adopted a handy "on-line" means of changing the basic flag code by prearrangement or at will, even within the act of transmission. This was done with a disk, in which the alphabet on the inner disk revolved against an outer ring of flag combination, enabling an instant change of code." My impression from this and from the chapter summary is that the disk was used for flag codes but not telegraphy. For telegraphy the Union apparently used a word-based route transposition that Friedman found unimpressive. It's clearly different from the brass cipher disk used by the Confederates, which used letters rather than flag positions as the ciphertext alphabet. Weber doesn't include pictures of the disk. Jim Gillogly Sterday, 2 Yule S.R. 1998, 05:45 12.19.4.14.0, 10 Ahau 18 Mac, First Lord of Night

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17 Dec '03

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by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Is Unix dying--or even dead?
by S. M. Halloran 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 19 Dec 97, Bill Stewart was found to have commented thusly: > At 12:08 PM 12/19/1997 GMT, phelix(a)vallnet.com wrote: > >>Silicon Graphics Inc.'s plan .... Windows NT > > >Does this mean that Unix is dying? > >No, it means that graphics professionals are buying Wintel boxes > >instead of SGI's expensive workstations. ( a shame really, > > SGI make some damn nice workstations, but that > >pesky price/performance ratio is pushing people into > >high end Wintel boxes) > > It's not just price/performance ratio - > it's affordable price for adequate performance. > Now that Wintel boxes can crunch integers as well as a Cray-1, > a $2K box has enough horsepower for all but really cutting-edge graphics, > and you're going to buy the same monitor regardless of CPU. > Sure, a $10K SGI probably has far more than 5x the performance, > but not many people need it, especially if they're developing > applications for other people to use on cheaper boxes (games...) > as opposed to producing TV shows, music videos, or running > scientific visualization. > > That's been a problem for the accounting and office-work for years > - while Microsoft can bloat away any CPU you've got, > an 8086 or 286 box could run spreadsheets, simple chart graphics, > WordStar, a database, BASIC, and Flight Simulator as fast as a PDP-11 > for a lot less money, letting the business bootstrap itself > in spite of the ugly excuse for a program loader MS sold for it, > because any developer could afford the $5K (1982) or $2K (1997) box > it takes to develop cool commercially viable applications > (and, yes, you can use a $500 box today, but you wouldn't.) > [....] > > If you must run MSware, NT is at least an operating system. > And it's easier to get graphics board manufacturers to write > their drivers for Windows than Linux. Assuming developers and users of "alternative" systems (including Unix family) are concerned about how MS is consolidating its position as the complete manager of the business/academic affairs of the entire globe, I suggest to the members of the free Unix groups (developers, administrators/superusers) that they develop their own turnkey "office suite" and try to give MS a run for its money. There is no time like now to get the X-Windows (or GUI-free-from-copyright) Complete Office bundled together and have a media gathering to make sure that all the important news organizations are informed. You should get decent press exposure, since MS-bashing seems to be in vogue. The Linux or FreeBSD people should select a mediagenic spokesperson from the group--one with fire in the belly--and then do the hard work of putting something together that a 25-year old free-Unix developer's 72-year old grandmother can install to a x86 box. In fact, your press conference would have real pinache if, in fact, you put someone's 72-year old grandmother before a PC with an empty disk drive, run the install, then type a short letter on the fancy word processer, addressed to Bill G., with the message "Up yours!" By attacking Bill G. from the flank in this matter, you may possibly take his mind off his successful campaign to own the Internet. I admire BillG, really. He was rather late in anticipating how a network developed largely by universities and their students could be a medium that intruded upon the everyday world, and yet despite the efforts of well-meaning individuals and not-for-profit groups to keep the Internet from being owned, Bill G. just has too much savvy not to be able to own the important parts of the Internet too--not the cables and wires, of course, but the content as well as the software that drives it. And soon. (Look for the next version of TCPIP, if it is called that, to be a copyright of Microsoft. After all, Microsoft has its roots in writing OSes.) Mitch Halloran Research (Bio)chemist Duzen Laboratories Group Ankara TURKEY mitch(a)duzen.com.tr other job title: Sequoia's (dob 12-20-95) daddy Mitch Halloran Research (Bio)chemist Duzen Laboratories Group Ankara TURKEY mitch(a)duzen.com.tr other job title: Sequoia's (dob 12-20-95) daddy

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Re: SPECIAL REPORT: Censorware in the Stacks (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 19:58:05 -0700 > From: Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> > Subject: Re: SPECIAL REPORT: Censorware in the Stacks (fwd) > >Wrong, the LOC is for the people. It is there (originaly) to provide a > >reference listing of all documents published and therefore claiming copyright. > >Currently it is open to any legitimate research project. I have used it on a > > Any idea on what they define to be a "legitimate" research project? Something related to a project you're working on is my guest guess. I had a clear problem description and goal in mind both times I dealt with them. My experience is that just about any research organization like that simply wants some assurance of legitimacy regarding the use of resources in that institution, they got a bottem line they have to toe. In my various diggings I have *never* been turned away from any reference stack if I could provide them with clear descriptions and goals. Then again, I don't go in raving and ranting and making lot's of demands either... The first time I had reference to them was when I worked for the DoD during college ('80-'83 @ UT) when I had to do some research on a RTL project for Capt. Gene Barton of the US Army. Not that he would necessarily know anything about it. I made the requests for specific information through the engineering library at UT and they contacted both LoC and the Patent Office on prior art. I was designing a non-Von Neumann router from TTL random gates and needed to see how some folks had resolved some similar addressing (very sticky wicket that in regards RTL architectures) issue. The second time was when I was working for Austron here in Austin doing time reference standards (1210's, 2055's, 2000 & 5000 LORAN recievers - it you got one and it was done by triangle-nine it's mine) and needed to do some reference requests for one of the engineers (I unfortunately don't remember his name) into rf propogation models in the 10kHz range because of some problem the US Navy was having off Korea. Past that I don't know as there was some sort of security issue involved. Neither time did it take more than a couple of phone calls (numbers provided for me) and some faxes. I also don't believe that anyone on the other end know anything more about my projects other than the librarian on my end saying something like "I have a user who wants to request ...". YMMV of course. > hate to travel 3000 miles to research the Holocaust Lie, only to be told > that my research on how the Holocaust Lie was sold to support FDR and > Truman is an _illegitimate_ research project. You don't have to travel farther than your local public library. Now whether the librarian wants to spend their time working on your project is a whole 'nother (personal) issue. If you want to know more specifics I suggest you call information in DC and ask for the main number. From there you're on your own. I'm working on a small book proposal & ASL expansion pack regarding the Japanese parachute invasion of Palembang on Feb. 14, 1942 and it's possible I may need to see records there since the US Navy was part of the combined British-Dutch-French-US command in that area. If so, I'll be shure to pass along any experiences that I might have. I certainly hope to arrange an actual trip to Palembang in a couple of years. But I digress... ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make | | violent revolution inevitable. | | | | John F. Kennedy | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: FCPUNX:Freedom Forum report on the State of the First Amendm
by David Magnay 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 19 Dec 97 at 11:58, Jim Burnes wrote: > > On Fri, 19 Dec 1997, David Honig wrote: ... > > > If one ever questions this in public, as Tim did, the liberal response > > is to show that unPC 'discrimination' is possible if humans are free, > > and then the dutiful citizen gladly sacrifices employers' liberty for > > their warm and fuzzy feelings. The first amendment is about what > > government can't do to you, not what your neighbor can or can't do. > > Yeah. The real question is what humans are free to do. The freedom > to do something is also the freedom *not* to do something. The > freedom to conduct a transaction (employing someone) must also be > the freedom not to conduct that transaction because the transaction > is voluntary. > Who said humans are free ? Which page is that written on ? Ooops, lost my copy. Your version must be wrong. Probably a spelling error. The _real_ question is HOW to determine what humans are free to do. Without a common acceptance of right, wrong and definition of freedom, it only comes from the sharp end of a gun. Just having a cosy chinwag in Congress, the UN or the European Parliament and agreeing on a code of conduct is not enuf if it is not accepted by the active parties. Many people sqeal about rights (and wrongs) but they are only right or wrong by some measure. If your enemy has a different measure, or refuses to accept your right/wrong criteria, you are stuffed. For some people, that measure is the US Constitution, for others the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, etc. However, all of these are only ARBITRARY agreements on commonly accepted points of view. If I disagree, they are absolutely worthless. So, but unless you stop me, I'll play by MY set of rules. If I want Kuwait, I'll take it. If I want Grenada, Chekoslovakia, Afghanistan or the Marshall Islands, I'll just take it. If I want to tap your phone, monitor your Bank account or stamp your licence with 666, I'll do it Oh buts that wrong, u cant do that. Well, who says I cant. You ?? Laugh..laugh..laugh. Where does it say that. Did God tell you ? Prove it then. No, well POQ. So if we have a Government OF the people, BY the poeple, FOR the people, we may have a chance of getting somewhere. (Oh well, we can always hope) DM --------------------------- David Magnay email: sdh(a)crafti.com.au ---------------------------

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Coercive Monopolism vs Wimpyness
by Secret Squirrel 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>And, since Windows OS is so pitifully lousy, why do people continue to buy >it, even without the computer attached; why do they continue to upgrade, >even if it's so slow and bloated? Don't they realize Unix is better? >Don't they realize they're just making Billg richer? I use Linux primarily. People still buy Winblows for the same reasons I bought Winblows 95. Want to play a game from the store? Windows 95. Want to install a new image in your Flash RAM on your motherboard? DOS (Windows 95). Want to have vendor-produced drivers? Windows 95. Want to parse MS Turd documents? Windows 95 and MS Office. Want to use a Windows-specific bullshit class registration system at your university? Windows 95. Want to run that program your mother sends you and wants you to run? She uses Windows 95 because it was preinstalled on her machine, so you must use Windows 95 too. Some kind of bizarre hardware which the manufactuers won't release specs for? (The AWE32 is a good example. Eventually somebody got pissed and reverse engineered it.) Windows 95. Happened to buy a printer? It won't say "Yes! It works with Ghostscript!" In fact it won't say anything about hardware compatability. It'll just say "Windows drivers included" along with a list of a bunch of software that I don't want and don't need. So if it happens that the printer is nonstandard...Windows 95. Have a bunch of people in the office who don't care about platform compatability and pass around Windows-specific document types or programs? Windows 95. Have a bunch of people in the office who, simply because Windows and sometimes MacOS are taught as "computer education" in many universities and public schools can't use anything else? Windows 95. Have to use a university computer lab? The machines are probably running Windows 95. So you wind up with an incentive to use Windows 95 elsewhere. So...again, Windows 95. Want to have a working copy of PGP 5.0 while everybody else has started sending out DH-encrypted/signed messages and rolled DH keys? Windows 95. (Yeah, yeah. The source was released in book form.) This goes on and on and on. Sure there are counter arguments for these but it gets real touchy real quick. Ever try to pressure a game company into releasing Linux versions? Ever try to pressure an applications company to release Linux versions? Explanation and analysis: Microsoft spends millions on marketting. Linux, BSD, et al. simply don't have a massive marketting machine. The PC rags and TV shows like CNet are supported by Windows applications, Windows games, Microsoft, and platform-specific web sites. Microsoft has no qualms about outright lying in its marketting material. Look at the messages which display during Windows 95 installation for a good example. "What you want to do, and more, is now possible." Yeah. What if I want to have a decent telnet client? What if I want to have tons of free software? They don't qualify the statement, yet the Microsoft lackies think that Microsoft would never lie and it must be true. The Windows interface is "point and drool." This has the effect of attracting every lazy person possible. I say "lazy" because it's basically no work to remember "rm" rather than "left click and drag to the recycle bin." These people don't know how *anything* works on even the most basic level. The Linux/BSD/whatever developers aren't going to make an interface like that because they're competent, aren't trying to make money, don't want to cripple their platform with it, and they don't necessarily want to attract these people. Generally speaking, as "da web" has proven, if it takes no brains to use something people with no brain will be attracted to it in great numbers. Microsoft, their friends, and some of their enemies did everything they possibly could to break the web. HTML was designed as a relatively simple, platform independant method of storing information. The idea was that you could go throw in an image, but it was supposed to *augment* the message, not *be* the message. And regardless of what you did the page was supposed to be viewable from a text terminal. Netscape started by adding non-standard extensions to HTML, in effect encouraging people to make Netscape-specific web pages. Netscape Gold and other "web page designers" encourage people to release platform-specific web pages -- they *should* throw an error if somebody puts in an unnamed link. Then of course we had stuff like server-side image maps. And we have pages with frames which are impossible to correctly display in a text mode, and which bitch and moan and suggest you download Microsoft Internet Explorer or Netscape Navigator/Communicator to read it. And I've seen pages which are nothing but graphics files -- but hey, they're okay because they display correctly in MSIE or Netscape. Microsoft continues its little jihad by perverting Java, which is supposed to be another platform-independant language, into a Windows-specific language. While they were at it both Microsoft and Netscape decided to start slinging HTML and nonstandard MIME types all over email and news postings. When you buy a prebuilt computer in most cases you don't have a choice. You have to get Windows 95, MSIE, and whatever other crap they decide to pile on. Normally this wouldn't be a problem and you would just go to another vendor but just about every single vendor is like this. When you buy hardware you pay for all sorts of Windows software. So now you have all kinds of (bad) Windows software, so there's another reason to use Windows. Microsoft knows this. For example, when you buy a scanner you get Windows software for it, absolutely no design specs, no compatability list, and in many cases they flat-out *won't* release design specs. When you call for technical support many (most?) places tell you to do something like this: "Okay. Go click on the 'My Computer' icon--" "Uh, I run Linux." "Uh, we don't support that." (Hint: It was a *hardware* problem, *not* a software problem, but go boot up into Windows just so we know it was broken. Oh, and you better have the latest version because that's all we support.) Many vendors only release drivers for whatever the latest and greatest version of Winblows is going to be. Windows 3.1 drivers are starting to get scarce. DOS drivers are basically nonexistant. Say, for instance, you purchase or receive Windows NT Workstation 4.0. You then go out and buy an AWE64. Creative Labs has stated that they aren't releasing a decent AWE64 driver for NT 4.0, but instead are targetting it at NT 5.0. Compare this with the UNIX world where, for the most part, things are platform independant and people like platform compatability. Most of the time I can run something on Linux which I can run on BSD which I can run on SunOS, etc.

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Believe me, many people will do that and more! By the way, your cost to participate in this is practically nothing. You obviously already have an internet connection and email is FREE!!! REPORT#3 will show you the best methods for bulk emailing and purchasing email lists. THIS IS A LEGITIMATE,NOW VERY LEGAL, MONEY MAKING OPPORTUNITY. It does not require you to come in contact with people, do any hard work, and best of all, you never have to leave the house except to get the mail. If you believe that someday you'll get that big break that you've been waiting for, THIS IS IT! Simply follow the instructions, and your dream will come true. This multi-level email order marketing program works perfectly...100% EVERY TIME. Email is the sales tool of the future. Take advantage of this non-commercialized method of advertising NOW!! The longer you wait, the more people will be doing business using email. Get your piece of this action!! 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What is Gary L. Burnore Afraid Of? (was: Anon asshole still has no proof)
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

gburnore(a)netcom.com (Gary L. Burnore) ranted: > Still no proof that I am anti-remailer or support anti-remailers > Still no proof that I am anti-privacy or support anti-privacy You just provided it in the form of the Subject: line that YOU chose for this post -- "Anon asshole still has no proof". > Still accusations with no proof. Continuous for about a year. On and on and > on. Still no explination for why the whole thing started to begin with. > Because what the anon asshole is _REALLY_ upset about is true reason for his > obsession with me. > > > So the anon asshole won't answer. Can't answer. His/Her identity may become > know if he/her reveals the true reason for a year of obsession. Careful, Gary, your bigotry and paranoia are showing. My "accusation" has merely been at *ASK* you and Belinda Bryan why you demanded that Jeff Burchell turn over the user logs from his Huge Cajones Remailer over to DataBasix and what you intended to do with them after you obtained them. It seems to be you that's hiding the "true reason" for your own actions. What "proof" does one need to ask a question or two? Why do you resort to posting silly rants like this just to avoid answering those two questions? You are the one making the ridiculous accusations without proof, that a mythical "AnonAsshole <tm>" has supposedly done all matter of evil mischief towards you. And you conveniently try to discredit anyone who dares to criticize you anonymously of being this evil, mean ogre that you've invented.

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Re: Lock and Load (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Subject: Re: Lock and Load (fwd) > Date: Tue, 23 Dec 97 01:45:53 -0500 > From: "Brian B. Riley" <brianbr(a)together.net> > >Would you be so kind as to give a specific example of a bolt action, > >semi-automatic, or automatic rifle that can't be loaded on safe? I have > >never seen a rifle that wouldn't allow this. > > Remington Model 8 semi-automatic rifle (circa 1905-1930+) there is one > (high three digit serial number made in 1906) chambered in .35 Remington > on the wall about 30 feet from where I am sitting. It's safety is right > side mounted and not only blocks the trigger but locks the bolt forward > both internally and externally by blocking track for the bolt handle, it > must be off to draw the bolt back to load the internal five round > pushdown magazine. Right mounted safety? Sounds like a lefties gun. Safeties are usualy thumb tripped which means they are on the left. The idea is you can safety the weapon without taking your finger from the trigger. That could explain the loading problem, guns built for lefties typicaly have all kinds of weird handling issues. It sounds to me like a real nightmare to load and use in the bush since you have to take your hand off the gun in order to get the safety off while you load another round while cycling the bolt through its action - eliminates snap shots that's for shure. Do you know if it is a lefty build? If so then it clearly isn't a military grade weapon since they are ubiquitously designed for right handed firers (at least until the last 20 yrs. or so). Once the clip is in place, top feed since you said "push down", does the safety prevent the cycling of ammo through the breech? Does it use a stripper clip or a carrier? You don't happen to know the type of action? Is this a military grade weapon or sport? > >A parallel pistol example would be nice too, if you're so inclined. > > I don't know of any pistols .... except that in the case of the > ubiquitous military .45 (1911A1) while one can easily insert a magazine > with the gun on safe, it isn't truly loaded til a round is chambered > which involves coming out of safe to rack the slide Interesting since the 1911 I use doesn't exhibit this ... I don't have a problem loading it irrespecitive of the safety. If the safety is on the hammer is blocked from the bottem by a lever. You can put ammo in it, cock it via the slide, etc. Just can't pull the trigger. Will have to look more into this... Thanks for the info. Merry Christmas! ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make | | violent revolution inevitable. | | | | John F. Kennedy | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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