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Re: constitution.amendmentxi.html (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: "William H. Geiger III" <whgiii(a)invweb.net> > Date: Mon, 29 Dec 97 08:32:34 -0600 > Subject: Re: constitution.amendmentxi.html (fwd) > >Of note is that this amendment *only* covers cases where a citizen sues a > >*single* state, not 49 of them. > > >There is no Constitutional rule that covers the process between a > >individual and more than a single state. It simply ain't there. > > Well considering that the Constitution is a *limiting* document, if the > powers are not explicitly given to the Federal Government they don't have > them. > > Soooo, in the case of a citizen sues multiple states the Federal > Government still has no juristiction as they have never explicitly been > given that power. So what you are saying, though I doubt you realize it, is that a citizen *can't* sue 2 or more states as a group. They *must* sue singly and in the individual state courts. Of course, this isn't explicity described either, so where does this authority come from? This means there is no way to sue states as a group for their actions in regards to relations to the federal government. So the federal government can require the states to do all kinds of things and I as a citizen and effected by those actions can't sue the states but only the federal government. Interesting hole. I wonder if it will hold up. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make | | violent revolution inevitable. | | | | John F. Kennedy | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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List of reliable remailers
by Raph Levien 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I operate a remailer pinging service which collects detailed information about remailer features and reliability. To use it, just finger remailer-list(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu There is also a Web version of the same information, plus lots of interesting links to remailer-related resources, at: http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~raph/remailer-list.html This information is used by premail, a remailer chaining and PGP encrypting client for outgoing mail. For more information, see: http://www.c2.org/~raph/premail.html For the PGP public keys of the remailers, finger pgpkeys(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu This is the current info: REMAILER LIST This is an automatically generated listing of remailers. The first part of the listing shows the remailers along with configuration options and special features for each of the remailers. The second part shows the 12-day history, and average latency and uptime for each remailer. You can also get this list by fingering remailer-list(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu. $remailer{'cyber'} = '<alias(a)alias.cyberpass.net> alpha pgp'; $remailer{"mix"} = "<mixmaster(a)remail.obscura.com> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut ek ksub reord ?"; $remailer{"replay"} = "<remailer(a)replay.com> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut post ek"; $remailer{"jam"} = "<remailer(a)cypherpunks.ca> cpunk mix pgp hash middle latent cut ek"; $remailer{"winsock"} = "<winsock(a)rigel.cyberpass.net> cpunk pgp pgponly hash cut ksub reord ?"; $remailer{'nym'} = '<config(a)nym.alias.net> newnym pgp'; $remailer{"squirrel"} = "<mix(a)squirrel.owl.de> cpunk mix pgp pgponly hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{'weasel'} = '<config(a)weasel.owl.de> newnym pgp'; $remailer{"reno"} = "<middleman(a)cyberpass.net> cpunk mix pgp hash middle latent cut ek reord ?"; $remailer{"cracker"} = "<remailer(a)anon.efga.org> cpunk mix remix pgp hash ksub esub latent cut ek reord post"; $remailer{'redneck'} = '<config(a)anon.efga.org> newnym pgp'; $remailer{"bureau42"} = "<remailer(a)bureau42.ml.org> cpunk mix pgp ksub hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"neva"} = "<remailer(a)neva.org> cpunk pgp pgponly hash cut ksub ?"; $remailer{"lcs"} = "<mix(a)anon.lcs.mit.edu> mix"; $remailer{"medusa"} = "<medusa(a)weasel.owl.de> mix middle" $remailer{"McCain"} = "<mccain(a)notatla.demon.co.uk> mix middle"; $remailer{"valdeez"} = "<valdeez(a)juno.com> cpunk pgp pgponly hash ek"; $remailer{"arrid"} = "<arrid(a)juno.com> cpunk pgp pgponly hash ek"; $remailer{"hera"} = "<goddesshera(a)juno.com> cpunk pgp pgponly hash ek"; $remailer{"htuttle"} = "<h_tuttle(a)rigel.cyberpass.net> cpunk pgp hash latent cut post ek"; catalyst(a)netcom.com is _not_ a remailer. lmccarth(a)ducie.cs.umass.edu is _not_ a remailer. usura(a)replay.com is _not_ a remailer. remailer(a)crynwr.com is _not_ a remailer. There is no remailer at relay.com. Groups of remailers sharing a machine or operator: (cyber mix reno winsock) (weasel squirrel medusa) (cracker redneck) (nym lcs) (valdeez arrid hera) This remailer list is somewhat phooey. Go check out http://www.publius.net/rlist.html for a good one. Last update: Thu 23 Oct 97 15:48:06 PDT remailer email address history latency uptime ----------------------------------------------------------------------- hera goddesshera(a)juno.com ------------ 5:03:45 99.86% nym config(a)nym.alias.net +*#**#**### :34 95.82% redneck config(a)anon.efga.org #*##*+#**** 2:00 95.44% mix mixmaster(a)remail.obscura.com +++ ++++++* 19:18 95.27% squirrel mix(a)squirrel.owl.de -- ---+--- 2:34:19 95.16% cyber alias(a)alias.cyberpass.net *++***+ ++ 11:26 95.11% replay remailer(a)replay.com **** *** 10:06 94.93% arrid arrid(a)juno.com ----.------ 8:50:34 94.41% bureau42 remailer(a)bureau42.ml.org --------- 3:38:29 93.53% cracker remailer(a)anon.efga.org + +*+*+*+ 16:32 92.80% jam remailer(a)cypherpunks.ca + +*-++++ 24:14 92.79% winsock winsock(a)rigel.cyberpass.net -..-..---- 9:59:18 92.22% neva remailer(a)neva.org ------****+ 1:03:02 90.39% valdeez valdeez(a)juno.com 4:58:22 -36.97% reno middleman(a)cyberpass.net 1:01:28 -2.65% History key * # response in less than 5 minutes. * * response in less than 1 hour. * + response in less than 4 hours. * - response in less than 24 hours. * . response in more than 1 day. * _ response came back too late (more than 2 days). cpunk A major class of remailers. Supports Request-Remailing-To: field. eric A variant of the cpunk style. Uses Anon-Send-To: instead. penet The third class of remailers (at least for right now). Uses X-Anon-To: in the header. pgp Remailer supports encryption with PGP. A period after the keyword means that the short name, rather than the full email address, should be used as the encryption key ID. hash Supports ## pasting, so anything can be put into the headers of outgoing messages. ksub Remailer always kills subject header, even in non-pgp mode. nsub Remailer always preserves subject header, even in pgp mode. latent Supports Matt Ghio's Latent-Time: option. cut Supports Matt Ghio's Cutmarks: option. post Post to Usenet using Post-To: or Anon-Post-To: header. ek Encrypt responses in reply blocks using Encrypt-Key: header. special Accepts only pgp encrypted messages. mix Can accept messages in Mixmaster format. reord Attempts to foil traffic analysis by reordering messages. Note: I'm relying on the word of the remailer operator here, and haven't verified the reord info myself. mon Remailer has been known to monitor contents of private email. filter Remailer has been known to filter messages based on content. If not listed in conjunction with mon, then only messages destined for public forums are subject to filtering. Raph Levien

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Right to sue multiple states...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

ARTICLE III. Section 2. The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority; [deleted text] between Citizens of different States; [deleted text] Clearly my suing say the govenor and legislature of each of the 50 states qualifies as a case involving citizens of different states and therefore there is clearly a right to sue multiple states at the federal level and falls under the responsibility of the Supreme Court. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make | | violent revolution inevitable. | | | | John F. Kennedy | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Vulis again
by Information Security 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 07:18:08 -0500 > Message-ID: <031ce308b9b0af69c83a11320732d575(a)anon.efga.org> > From: Anonymous <anon(a)anon.efga.org> > > Timmy May's reheated, refurbished, and > regurgitated cud is completely > inappropriate for the mailing lists into > which it is cross-ruminated. > > ( )( )________ Timmy May > /00 \ _ > O_\\--mm---mm /_______) I see you are still sending ascii-art decorated sweet little nothings to the people you love... ---guy Medication refill time, Dimitry.

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17 Dec '03

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Re: constitution.amendmentxi.html (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: "William H. Geiger III" <whgiii(a)invweb.net> > Date: Mon, 29 Dec 97 09:17:55 -0600 > Subject: Re: constitution.amendmentxi.html (fwd) > Well you can only sue the state that has caused some form of direct damage > against you. Really? Where is that in the Constitution? I can't sue a state or the federal government on an issue of process or procedure unless I *personaly* have been effected? Malarky. The simple fact that I am a citizen that *could* be effected is sufficient grounds to file. Especialy considering the detailing of authority in the 10th. If this were so I would not be able to file against a law regulating, for example, a religion unless I happen to be a participant of that religion. This is clearly not constitutional since any law threating a single religion by extension can and does threaten all religious freedom in the country. > If both Texas and Alaska are doing somthing Unconstitutional > but Texas is the only one who has directly caused damage then you should > only be able to sue Texas. Why? If both states are participating in an illegal action - such as complying with unconstitutional federal regulations - then even a single state in which I *don't* reside nor have *ever* been in is a clear threat to my constitutional rights. Remember the feds are *required* to guarantee a constitutional government in *all* states and that all priviliges and immunitites be recognized by those states - irrespective of my current geographic location. Now if we accept the argument that the 14th extends my federal rights to the states then the wrongful action and its application is even more clearly relevant. However, the 14th is not necessary for this to be the case. (thankfuly, since one of my claims is that rights are not equivalent to priviliges or immunities) It is the precedence and not the personal application that is unconstitutional. > I think that in the majority of > cases one will find that a greviance will be limited to a single state (I > think it would be very rare to find a case where all 50 states had > directly caused damage against an individule). - Illegal taxation and the compliance of the states in turning over money illegaly - regulation and prohibition of firearms and the states complicancy in breaking the 2nd. - the provisioning and support of military operations relating to the Army and Air Force (which is unconstitutional unless part of the Army or Navy) for more than 2 year terms. - the failure of the US govt. to train and arm the militia in the several states - the various federal regulations limiting consensual crimes contrary to the letter and spirit of the 9th and 10th. - the abrogation of the states duties as equals to the federal govt. and their duties as a part of the checks and balances of the Constitution. And as a matter of course most other issues resting on Constitutional jurisdiction involving the willing compliance of state government. > An example of this would be back in the 50's with the forced segregation > laws. If you were living in Georga and wished to bring suit against the > state for violating your rights you would be limited to only suing Georga > even though AL,FL,SC,NC,TX,AR, all had the same laws on the books. Nobody that I can find has *ever* even tried to do this so how can it be undoable? It's a pity there wasn't some young turk back then to give it a shot - course there doesn't seem to be any young turks now willing to do it either...;( Now, if I can figure a way around the Supreme Courts 3 year requirement... ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make | | violent revolution inevitable. | | | | John F. Kennedy | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: Right to sue multiple states... (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: "William H. Geiger III" <whgiii(a)invweb.net> > Date: Mon, 29 Dec 97 09:39:29 -0600 > Subject: Re: Right to sue multiple states... > >Clearly my suing say the govenor and legislature of each of the 50 states > >qualifies as a case involving citizens of different states and therefore > >there is clearly a right to sue multiple states at the federal level and > >falls under the responsibility of the Supreme Court. > > Good point execpt are we talking of suing a States' governemnt for damages > or are we talking of suing individules, who happen to be part of a State's > government, for damages? We are talking about suing an individual for their actions in their official capacity. People sign bills not offices. People commit crimes, offices can't. > I think that it is universal that one is > precluded from suing a memeber of government for carying out the duties of > office (ie: you can't sue the Governor of Texas for passing a law you > don't like while you can sue the govenor if hits your car going down the > road). I can find nothing in the Constitution that prohibits this, and since the 10th limits the feds authority by extension it is permissible. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ARTICLE III. Section 1. The judicial Power of the United States, shall be invested in one supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. Section 2. The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority; -- to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls; In all Cases, affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction. The Trial of all Crimes, except in Cases of Impeachment, shall be by Jury; and such Trial shall be held in the State where the said Crimes shall have been committed; but when not committed within any State, the Trial shall be at such Place or Places as the Congress may by Law have directed. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Clearly the Constitution allows charges against individuals for their actions while in office. Otherwise how would anyone be impeached? The person holding an office is responsible for all actions of that office and are in fact *personaly* responsible for those actions. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make | | violent revolution inevitable. | | | | John F. Kennedy | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: Freedom Forum report on the State of the First Amendment (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 17:12:06 +0100 (MET) > Subject: Re: Freedom Forum report on the State of the First Amendment > From: nobody(a)REPLAY.COM (Anonymous) > >Hmmm... > > > >Apologies. In *theory* you have those rights, on *paper*, you have those > >rights, but in *practice*, you're correct, the Government has power that > >it gleefully abuses, forcing others to comply w/ political correctness. > > Well no, on paper you do have those rights, and you don't have those > rights. Laws have been written so that you do not have those rights. > Are those laws consitutional? No. Does the fascist regime, or the > average apathetic American care? No. All it takes is a small group of individuals willing to fight the fight. Constitutional democracy is *not* mob rule. As long as you quit because nobody else will pat you on the shoulder and tell you how right you are then you aren't freedom loving. Freedom is a selfish endeavour. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make | | violent revolution inevitable. | | | | John F. Kennedy | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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