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Re: DBS, Privacy, Money Laundering nonsense.
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text From: "Michael Alexander" <mfa(a)alpha.univie.ac.at> To: <dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu> Subject: Re: DBS, Privacy, Money Laundering nonsense. Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 20:52:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 Sender: bounce-dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: "Michael Alexander" <mfa(a)alpha.univie.ac.at> >From: "Black Unicorn" <unicorn(a)schloss.li> > That's on the order of $600 >trillion per year, just in SWIFT. (Add another $1.3 billion for CHIPS and >$989 million for Fedwire daily. Oh, don't forget the foreign exchange as a minor correction, SWIFT 's main service is to exchange payment messages to feed into e.g. Fedwire or CHIPS so that would be double counting >The payment system today eats up over 1.5% of the GNP primarily because of >nonsense regulations like CTR's and other transaction reporting ... >1% of the GNP. Instant 1% growth for changing a system of clearing. Think >about that for awhile. slowly on that: payment systems costs represent what economists call 'specific taxes' that is they inflict deadweight losses on the economy. More efficient payment instruments such as some being based on bearer certificates would per se lower GDP but lead to higher demand in theory. Its effect would be as instant as a cut in other broad ones such as income or capital gains that is it involves lag. On the actual percentage of payment systems costs as % of GDP my estimates are way higher. By simply taking clearing float days of the major retail, business and interbank instruments, the figure is more like >2% with current (low) interest for the U.S. and even higher for Europe. This does not take into account that a more efficient payment system with a higher money velocity would lower the demand for transaction money among other effects. Michael For help on using this list (especially unsubscribing), send a message to "dcsb-request(a)ai.mit.edu" with one line of text: "help". --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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NSA on OS Flaws
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

An NSA team presented at NISSC98 in October "The Inevitability of Failure: The Flawed Assumption of Security in Modern Computing Environments:" http://jya.com/paperF1.htm (62K) Abstract Although public awareness of the need for security in computing systems is growing rapidly, current efforts to provide security are unlikely to succeed. Current security efforts suffer from the flawed assumption that adequate security can be provided in applications with the existing security mechanisms of mainstream operating systems. In reality, the need for secure operating systems is growing in todays computing environment due to substantial increases in connectivity and data sharing. The goal of this paper is to motivate a renewed interest in secure operating systems so that future security efforts may build on a solid foundation. This paper identifies several secure operating system features which are lacking in mainstream operating systems, argues that these features are necessary to adequately protect general application-space security mechanisms, and provides concrete examples of how current security solutions are critically dependent on these features. Keywords: secure operating systems, mandatory security, trusted path, Java, Kerberos, IPSEC, SSL, firewalls. ----- The paper advocates greater research on vulnerabilities of operating systems which allow malicious attackers to circumvent application-level security, including cryptographic protection. Ways to get around hardware and software crypto are outlined. Covert channels are a prime concern, as well as benign use inadverdently allowing malicious intrusion. An extensive list of references trace the twenty-five year history of OS flaws and examine why so little has been done to correct known deficiencies which undermine seemingly unbreachable applications. Readings about DTOS, Fluke, Flash and other developments of the NSA-sponsored Synergy program are illuminating. The recent republication of early compsec documents by CSRC is appropriate to this topic, particularly, "Subversion: The Neglected Aspect of Computer Security," by Philip Myer, June 1980, a thesis at NPS: http://csrc.nist.gov/publications/history/myer80.pdf Not that NSA would ever exploit OS weaknesses not warned about. ----- Thanks to JM/RH for pointing to the NISSC papers.

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No Subject
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Shouldn't we be using "Mr. Cordian's" real name? Matt Blaze (mab(a)research.att.com) also occasionally known as "M.F. Tones", and even less often as "Mr. Rouge" (There should be an accent mark there actually).

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nm web site
by bill payne 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Saturday 11/14/98 6:13 PM John Young http://www.jya.com/index.htm J Orlin Grabbe http://www.aci.net/kalliste/ As a result of jy's persuasive arguments http://jya.com/whpfiles.htm, we are going to put up a web site. But unlike you-all's sites ours will be somewhat positive 1 masm mixed language programming ... and Microsoft bugs 2 8032 forth programming and hardware 3 pc hardware 4 pro se litigation against the government 5 cypto nonsense 6 ... But, most important, we have learned by your pioneering web information dissemination efforts. And mistakes at other websites. Like bouncing balls. You guys, in my opinion, are the some of the most brilliant, perhaps with the exception of the X-rated sites, at getting the info out there. And yes, we will use THUMBNAIL photos. Of schematics, main boards, .... etc. Simplicity exudes brilliance. Perhaps there is a converse? Thoughtfully, I hope bill

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No Subject
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:35 PM 11/14/98 -0500, John Young <jya(a)pipeline.com> wrote: > >An NSA team presented at NISSC98 in October >"The Inevitability of Failure: The Flawed Assumption >of Security in Modern Computing Environments:" ... >Not that NSA would ever exploit OS weaknesses not warned >about. > Part of the context for this: NSA is trying to encourage their new testing program for security products. My feeling is that program, in turn, is intended to preserve the spaces for all the employees involved in the failed TCSEC/Rainbow testing program. I say "failed" because it hasn't caught on in the private sector, it's expensive and, of course, the laughable "C2 in '92." If you can't trust your OS, Dum-dum-Dah! NSA to the rescue with testing! The new Common Criteria is to replace TCSEC/Rainbow next year, but if it walks like a duck....

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hello -- do not read
by William H. Geiger III 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This is a test, this is only a test. -- --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.openpgp.net Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 5.0 at: http://www.openpgp.net/pgp.html ---------------------------------------------------------------

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Put America's Best Chili Recipes on Your Christmas List
by bluefish＠swipnet.se 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Test [no reply]
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Test

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Test 2 [no reply, loop test, last one]
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Test 2

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loop test #1
by William H. Geiger III 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Loop, loop, loop -- --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.openpgp.net Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 5.0 at: http://www.openpgp.net/pgp.html ---------------------------------------------------------------

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