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Why do we need remailers, anyway?
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 23 Sep 1998 04:27:46 Reeza! wrote: > anonymouse, 32 bit aohell to boot. you must feel very safe. Yours is hardly > the type of post that might necessitate the use of a remailer, so it should > be safe to assume you haven't the courage to stand behind your words, even > as mild as they are. > > Fuck you too. I suggest you discuss your lack of a spine with the maker. > See the above for instructions to meet the maker. > > Reeza! Hello? This is an old topic, but what the heck... There is a concept cypherpunks have called "Blacknet", which is an organisation that sells profiles of prospective employees based on their public comments on the Internet. This allows employers to filter out undesirables who might or might not have outgrown their rebellious youth. (You can never be too safe!) Now, there are laws making discrimination illegal. But it's hard to *prove* that an employer based its decision on BlackNet files, isn't it.... The cypherpunk philosophy is to rely on technology to solve the problem, rather than rely on the government (or anyone else). Cypherpunks write code. -- an anonymous aol32 user.

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Boxer and Fong on encryption
by Jim Gillogly 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

For California types: Barbara Boxer and Matt Fong responding to questions in today's SJMC news: HI-TECH ISSUES 1. Did the administration's July 7 decision to let software companies export encryption software to financial institutions in certain counties go far enough toward relaxing the rules on encryption exports? Why/why not? BOXER: I am a cosponsor of Senator Burns' Pro-CODE legislation, which prohibits the Secretary of Commerce from putting any restrictions on the export of encrypted items -- regardless of bit or key length. The administration's proposal did not go far enough at all. FONG: The administration's new policy simply does not go far enough. The administration is rightfully worried about national security, but the Genie is out of the bottle. While Clinton has stuck to his restrictive export policy on encryption software, foreign encryption products have become more sophisticated and more price competitive. US companies should be allowed to export encryption software if similar products are already available by foreign competitors. We'd see more contrast with Feinstein's answer. Too bad <she's> not running in this race. -- Jim Gillogly Mersday, 6 Winterfilth S.R. 1998, 15:05 12.19.5.9.19, 3 Cauac 12 Chen, First Lord of Night

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Body Count
by Edwin E. Smith 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

THURSDAY SEPTEMBER 24, 1998 ------------------------------------------ [WorldNetDaily Exclusive] ------------------------------------------ The Clinton 'body count' New alarm over growing list of dead close to president By Michael Rivero Copyright 1998, WorldNetDaily.com "Dear Sir," began Monica Lewinsky's somewhat peevish letter of July 3rd, 1997. In it, according to the recently released report by Kenneth Starr, the former intern chided the president for failing to secure for her a new White House job, and hinted that continued stalling would result in word of their affair leaking out. The next day, Monica confronted Bill Clinton in an Oval Office meeting she described as "very emotional;" a meeting which ended when the president warned her, "It's illegal to threaten the president of the United States." Three days later, another former White House intern, Mary Mahoney, was shot five times in the back of the Georgetown Starbuck's she managed. Two of her co-workers were also killed. Even though cash remained in the register, the triple murder was quickly dismissed as a botched robbery. No suspects have ever been arrested. Coincidence? Maybe. Former Democratic National Committee fundraiser and Commerce Secretary Ron Brown was under criminal investigation. Indictments seemed imminent. Ron Brown had reportedly told a confidante that he would, "not go down alone." Days later, his plane crashed on approach to Dubrovnik airport during a trade mission excursion to Croatia. Military forensics investigators were alarmed by what appeared to be a .45-caliber bullet hole in the top of Brown's head. Coincidence? Maybe. Yet another fundraiser was Larry Lawrence, famed for his short residence at Arlington National Cemetery. Less well known is that he had been under criminal investigation by the State Department for three weeks when he died. Coincidence? Maybe. But for a growing number of Americans, the sheer numbers of strange deaths surrounding the career of Bill Clinton has begun to raise serious questions. In a meeting with Vernon Jordan, Monica Lewinsky reportedly expressed fears that she might, "end up like Mary Mahoney," and began to make sure that others knew of her affair with Bill Clinton. Of all the strange deaths surrounding the Clintons, none has come under more renewed scrutiny than the fate of White House Deputy Counsel Vincent Foster, who was found dead in Fort Marcy Park on July 20, 1993. The official investigation concluded that Foster inserted a gun into his mouth and pulled the trigger. Yet according to the lab results neither Foster's fingerprints nor blood was on the gun, nor were powder granules or bullet fragments traceable to that gun in his wounds. The purported "suicide note" was found to be a forgery by three independent experts. The record of a second wound on Foster's neck, and an FBI memo that contradicts the official autopsy, strongly suggests that Foster's wounds were misrepresented in the official report. The FBI's own records revealed that deliberate deception was used to link Foster with the gun found with his body. Partly on the basis of that evidence, the FBI is now in federal court on charges of witness harassment and evidence tampering in the case. In normal police procedure, homicide is assumed right from the start. Suicide must be proven, because homicides are often concealed behind phony suicides. Yet in the case of Foster, serious doubts persist regarding the credibility of the evidence offered up in support of the claim of suicide, and a recent Zogby Poll revealed that more than two-thirds of all Americans no longer think the official conclusion of suicide is believable. The official conclusion regarding Commerce Secretary Ron Brown's death was that his plane was brought down by, "the worst storm in a decade." However, the Dubrovnik airport weather office, just two miles from the crash site, could not confirm the existence of any such storm, nor did any other pilots in the area. According to the April 8, 1996, Aviation Week & Space Technology, three separate radio links to the aircraft all quit while the aircraft was still seven miles from the crash, evidence that the plane suffered a total electrical failure in flight which was never investigated. The perfectly cylindrical hole in Ron Brown's skull never triggered an autopsy. After Ron Brown's death, his co-worker, Barbara Wise, was found locked in her office at the Department of Commerce, dead, bruised, and partially nude. Following Brown's death, John Huang's new boss at Commerce was Charles Meissner, who shortly thereafter died in yet another plane crash. These and other questionable deaths have been collected together in a document known as the "Dead Bodies List," which can now be found in many locations on the World Wide Web. Some of the cases are poorly documented and have been dismissed until now as "conspiracy theory." However, analysis of the "Dead Bodies List" by experts on the Internet revealed that in many cases, deaths whose circumstances demanded an investigation had been ignored. Some events officially declared to be accidents seem to stretch the bounds of credulity. In one case, Stanley Heard, member of a Clinton advisory committee and chiropractor to Clinton family members, and his lawyer Steve Dickson were flying to a meeting with a reporter. Heard's private plane caught fire, but he was able to make it back to his airport and rent another plane to continue his journey. The rented plane then caught fire. This time, Heard did not make it back to the airport. Gandy Baugh, attorney for Clinton friend and convicted cocaine distributor Dan Lasater, fell out of a building. Baugh's law partner was dead just one month later. Jon Parnell Walker, an RTC investigator looking into Whitewater, interrupted his inspection of his new apartment to throw himself off of the balcony. Nor does the pattern of suspicious deaths discriminate by gender. Susan Coleman was reportedly a mistress to Clinton while he was Arkansas attorney general; she was seven months pregnant with what she claimed was Clinton's child when she died. Judy Gibbs, a former Penthouse Pet and call girl, reportedly counted Bill Clinton among her clients. Shortly after agreeing to help police in an investigation into Arkansas cocaine trafficking, Judy burned to death. Kathy Ferguson, a witness in the Paula Jones case, was killed with a gunshot behind the ear and was declared a suicide, even though her suitcases had all been packed for an immediate trip. One month later, Bill Shelton, Kathy's boyfriend and a police officer who had vowed to get to the bottom of Kathy's murder, was also dead of a gunshot, his body dumped on Kathy's grave. Another alarming trend observed in these deaths is how society's safeguards against murder appear to have been compromised. Many of the questionable deaths involved either negligence or the complicity of medical examiners. Dr. Fahmy Malek was the Arkansas medical examiner under then-Gov. Bill Clinton. His most famous case involved his ruling in the "Train Deaths" case of Don Henry and Kevin Ives in which Dr. Malek ruled that the two boys had fallen asleep on the railroad tracks and been run over by a train. A subsequent autopsy by another examiner found signs of foul play on both the boys' bodies and concluded that they had been murdered. According to Jean Duffey, the prosecutor in the Saline County Drug Task Force, the two boys accidentally stumbled onto a "protected" drug drop and were killed for it. Dan Harmon, the Arkansas investigator who concluded there was no murder, is now in prison on drug charges. Despite the evidence for murder and national exposure, the Henry/Ives case has never officially been re-opened, and Jean Duffy has since left Arkansas out of fear for her life. Several witnesses in the Henry/Ives case later died and were ruled as either suicides or natural causes by Dr. Malek, whose willingness to provide an innocuous explanation for these deaths is illustrated in one case where he claimed that a headless victim had died of natural causes. Malek claimed that the victim's small dog had eaten the head, which was later recovered from a trash bin. When pressed to fire Dr. Malek, Gov. Clinton excused the medical examiner's performance as the result of overwork and gave him a raise. Dr. Malek's Washington D.C. counterpart was Fairfax, Virginia, Medical Examiner James C. Beyer. Long before his autopsy on Vincent Foster, Beyer's work was disputed. In the case of Tim Easely, Beyer ignored obvious defensive wounds, and eyewitness reports of an argument between Easely and his girlfriend, to conclude that Easely had committed suicide by stabbing himself in the chest. When an outside expert called attention to the fact that Easely had been stabbed clear through one of his palms, the girlfriend confessed to the murder. In the case of Tommy Burkett, Beyer ignored signs of violence done to Burkett to rule it was a simple suicide. A subsequent autopsy showed that Beyer had not even done the work he claimed in his original autopsy. Even though Beyer showed X-rays to Burkett's father, Beyer later claimed they did not exist. When Beyer performed the Foster autopsy, he wrote in his report that X-rays had been taken, then again claimed they never existed when asked to produce them. In some cases, the deaths simply have no innocuous explanation. One witness, Jeff Rhodes (who had information on the Henry/Ives murders) was found with his hands and feet partly sawn off, shot in the head, then burned and thrown in a trash bin. Another obvious murder was Jerry Parks, Clinton's head of security in Little Rock. Immediately following news of Foster's death, Parks reportedly told his family, "Bill Clinton is cleaning house." Just weeks after the Parks' home had been broken into and his files on Clinton stolen, Parks was shot four times in his car. Ron Miller, on whose evidence Nora and Gene Lum were convicted of laundering Clinton campaign donations, went from perfect heath to death in just one week in a manner so strange that his doctors ordered special postmortem tests. The results of those tests have never been released, but toxicologists familiar with the case suggest that Miller's symptoms are consistent with Ricin, a cold war assassin's poison. For a fortunate few the murder attempts have failed. In the case of Arkansas drug investigator Russell Welch, his doctors were able to identify that he had been infected with military anthrax in time to save his life. Gary Johnson, Gennifer Flowers' neighbor whose video surveillance camera had accidentally caught Bill Clinton entering Flowers' apartment, was left for dead by the men who took the video tape. Gary survived, although he is crippled for life. L.J. Davis, a reporter looking into the Clinton scandals, was attacked in his hotel room but survived (his notes on Clinton were stolen). Dennis Patrick, whose bond trading account at Dan Lasater's company was used to launder millions of dollars of drug money, has had four attempts on his life. But the real importance of the "Dead Bodies List" isn't what it tells us of modern political intrigues, but what it tells us of ourselves, in how we respond to it. The list has been around for quite some time, largely ignored by the general public, completely ignored by the mainstream media. The common reaction has been that such a list is unbelievable, not for its contents, but for its implications. For that reason, most Americans have, until recently, accepted at face value the official assurances that all these deaths are isolated incidents with no real meaning; that all the indications of foul play and cover-up are just an accumulation of clerical error and "overwork;" that it's all just "coincidence." On Aug. 17, as Bill Clinton admitted his "inappropriate relationship" with Monica Lewinsky on nationwide television, Americans began to confront the unavoidable fact that this president and his administration had lied to the public about a rather trivial matter. Americans came to realize that this president and his administration could no longer safely be assumed to have told the truth on more serious matters. In this new climate of doubt, the "Dead Bodies List" has enjoyed a new vogue, albeit a dark one. Talk radio discusses it. Total strangers e-mail it to each other. What was unthinkable a few months ago has become all too plausible. Political murder has come to America. Those cases on the "Dead Bodies List" where hard evidence directly contradicts the official conclusion have come under renewed scrutiny. It takes courage for the average citizen to accept that the government has lied to them, for by doing so, the citizen also accepts the obligation to do something about it. Americans know beyond a doubt that they have been lied to. Americans are discovering that they cannot ignore the fact of being lied to without sacrificing that part of the American self-image that holds honor and justice as ideals. But as the above poll would suggest, such a sacrifice is no longer acceptable. --------------------------------------------------------- [WorldNetDaily.com] --------------------------------------------------------- (C) 1998 Western Journalism Center --------------------------------------------------------- This page was last built 9/24/98; 11:51:28 Site: matlanta(a)mindspring.com REFERENCES: A List of Strange Deaths of Individuals Who All Had Verifiable Ties with Bill Clinton http://www.devvy.com/death_list.html VINCE FOSTER FIVE YEARS AFTER Unsolved Mystery Hampers All Starr's Probes By Carl Limbacher http://www.esotericworldnews.com/vince.htm VINCE FOSTER INVESTIGATIONCHRIS RUDDY, (PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE) http://www.ruddynews.com Christopher Ruddy's New Web Site <NewsMax.com> http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover.shtml Vince Foster - Patrick Knowlton v. FBI Agent Bransford http://www.monumental.com/lawofcjc/pk/ *** Foster "J'Accuse!" http://www.angelfire.com/fl/pjcomix/zola1.html EENIE MENA MINIE MOE... http://www.esotericworldnews.com/eenie.htm The Mena Coverup http://www.esotericworldnews.com/mena.htm THE "SECRET" CHEMICAL FACTORY THAT NO ONE TRIED TO HIDE http://www.esotericworldnews.com/london.htm ---------------------------

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Test [no reply] (should be last one)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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17 Dec '03

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Re:
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Paul is coming from AOL using Netscape as a mailer and using the open relay at cesvxa.ces.edu. Received: (from majordom@localhost) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA16186 for cypherpunks-unedited-outgoing; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 02:59:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cesvxa (cesvxa.ces.edu [144.50.1.2]) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA16181 for <cypherpunks(a)toad.com>; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 02:59:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 200-148-112.ipt.aol.com (200-148-112.ipt.aol.com) by cesvxa.ces.edu (PMDF V5.0-6 #6874) id <01J2AH6J8P400003T4(a)cesvxa.ces.edu> for cypherpunks(a)toad.com; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 06:01:57 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 05:59:49 -0700 From: "Paul H. Merrill" <paulmerrill(a)acm.org> Subject: Re: To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Message-id: <360E36C5.33C7DFDC(a)acm.org> Organization: Twenty First Century Camelot MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win16; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <199809270531.HAA09168(a)replay.com> Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)Algebra.COM Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: cypherpunks(a)algebra.com X-List-Admin: ichudov(a)algebra.com X-Loop: cypherpunks(a)algebra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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IP: US Says Bomb Suspect Had Nuclear Ambitions
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Delivered-To: ignition-point(a)majordomo.pobox.com X-Sender: believer(a)telepath.com Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 11:03:36 -0500 To: believer(a)telepath.com From: believer(a)telepath.com Subject: IP: US Says Bomb Suspect Had Nuclear Ambitions Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-ignition-point(a)majordomo.pobox.com Precedence: list Reply-To: believer(a)telepath.com Source: Chicago Tribune http://chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/article/0,1051,SAV-9809270407,00. html U.S. SAYS BOMB SUSPECT HAD NUCLEAR AMBITIONS From Tribune News Services September 27, 1998 AFRICA -- American authorities have charged that a person described as a senior deputy to Osama bin Laden, the Saudi exile suspected in last month's bombings of two U.S. Embassies in East Africa, made significant efforts on behalf of the bin Laden group in 1993 to develop nuclear weapons. The authorities said that, in at least one case, there was evidence of documents relating to a proposed purchase of enriched uranium, but they did not say whether the group obtained uranium. The allegations, concerning Mamdouh Mahmud Salim, also assert that bin Laden had an official agreement with the Iranian government and with Sudan's ruling party to oppose the United States. They also suggest that the U.S. had penetrated the bin Laden organization and learned detailed information in 1996. The allegations were contained in newly unsealed court papers that charged Salim with conspiracy to murder and to use weapons of mass destruction against Americans overseas, including those in Saudi Arabia, Yemen and Somalia. Salim was arrested in Germany a week ago after flying there from Sudan. The U.S. said Friday it will seek his extradition to face charges in New York City. The government also asserted for the first time in court papers that the Iranian government had entered into a formal three-way "working agreement" with bin Laden and the National Islamic Front of the Sudan to "work together against the United States, Israel and the West." The front is the ruling party in Sudan. The Aug. 7 bombings of the U.S. Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania killed more than 250 people. ----------------------- NOTE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ----------------------- ********************************************** To subscribe or unsubscribe, email: majordomo(a)majordomo.pobox.com with the message: (un)subscribe ignition-point email@address ********************************************** www.telepath.com/believer ********************************************** --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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Re:
by Anonymous lo14 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Paul H. Merrill wrote: >1. There are lies, damn lies, and statistics. Nice cliche. Unfortunately, it doesn't say anything at all. >2. So if the quoted material is included it's bad and if it is not >included it's bad. I think I see the general idea. Use the rules >appropriate for complaining about whoever you want to complain about. You got it half right. If quoted material is included, it's good. If no quoted material is included, it's bad. If quoted material is included but it uses the '<< >>' style, it's bad. If a few hundred lines are quoted and six added, it's bad. This was explained to you twice; once in the post you're responding to, and once in that posting with the AOL quotes. You're conveniently ignoring that and you're playing dumb with regard to network etiquette. Maybe you aren't just pretending. AOL users originally didn't quote at all, they claimed because of software constraints. AOL users complained and used the fact that their ISP was lame as an excuse for not getting another one. Other net users complained. AOL responded by using the '<< >>' quoting style, which was effectively giving the rest of the net the bird. If AOL didn't cater to every moron out there, and if AOL didn't keep running stupid ads with claims like "AOL is the Internet!", and if AOL wasn't sending things like requests for Real Player all over the net, and if AOL didn't do things to deliberately piss everyone else off, they'd have a much better reputation. Maybe the first two can be written off as simple marketting, and maybe the third can be written off as the results of that marketting, but there is no excuse for the fourth. All four of those are what gets AOL flamed, kill filed, ignored, insulted, and shunned. >3. And what I said was along the lines of most were justified, but some >showed his lack of clues. Merely being incomprehensible to a person >means little if the person is a little clue-shy. Badly written is a bad >thing. There were one or two which may have been questionable. The rest of them fell into his criteria quite well. That's unless you want to claim that requests for stickers, CDs, and the rest actually express some subtle political point other than to say "I'm a moron." I ensure you, if "We're morons" was the point the AOL posters in question were trying to make, their message came through quite well. Maybe "you got it?" was actually a secret code. >> > > I don't know which is worse. At least the people flaming the AOL wimps are >> > > funny. >> > >> > If funny is all you want, may I recommend rec.humor.funny and, in case >> > you are up on no current events but Clinton, rec.humor.funny.reruns. >> >> No, I want a Cypherpunks list which discusses political issues, >> cryptography, and things related to that. Since this is the Cypherpunks >> list, we aren't going to censor on the basis of content or origin point. >> >And the general degradation of our society to the level that taking the >moral ground is something to be ridiculed is not a political issue? I was refering to the spam from AOL, Sixdegrees, the "child molestor" spammers, and their like. The responses to that, including your's, are political speech like you describe. What you're being ridiculed for is, almost without fail, defending every AOL weenie and spam site which comes onto this list. The child molestor spammers may be able to claim that it isn't their fault because they're using lame software, but if they use swiss cheese they shouldn't be surprised when the holes are exploited. I'm not saying it's very ethical to exploit them, but it isn't surprising. Paul, with regard to the rest of this, it's obvious that you're either trolling or are yourself severely clue-shy, and you aren't worth a response anymore. Your #2 is proof enough of that. #3 is pretty good evidence too.

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Where I mail through and from Was "Re:"
by Paul H. Merrill 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Another method of discerning that information would have been to actually read my posts which daid the same damn thing. BTW, I lobbied to have the server closed off when I worked for the school, but they decided that was just a little too paranoid for them. PHM

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