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Agent Smith
by Major Variola (ret) 24 Jun '04

24 Jun '04

>Don't citizens have to have an english-alphabet transliteration of their >name to use for legal purposes (birth certificate, green card, social >security record)? Not in the US. In Japan and some nordic countries, only established names can be registered. >The DMV differentiates same-name people by SSN, right? Is it very >far-fetched to imagine that state courts and federal appeals courts will >uphold state laws requiring SSN disclosure for identification purposes? I'm sorry, I only have a memory capacity of 7 plus or minus 2. I can deny my memory, particulary under stress of interrogation. Or I could use J. Edgar Hoovers which I sometimes mistake for mine.

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Respect for the Judiciary
by Eric Cordian 24 Jun '04

24 Jun '04

I wonder if any such noises were heard during the Jim Bell trial. http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0624041pump1.html ----- JUNE 24--While seated on the bench, an Oklahoma judge used a male enhancement pump, shaved and oiled his nether region, and pleasured himself, state officials charged yesterday in a petition to remove the jurist. ... Visitors to Thompson's Creek County courtroom reported hearing a "swooshing" sound coming from the bench, a noise the court reporter said "sounded like a blood pressure cuff being pumped up." ... -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"

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Re: Citizen Chics Must Put Out
by Tyler Durden 24 Jun '04

24 Jun '04

I gotta say I'm still disturbed by this. Got no real point to make, but the ID thing may mean that even the "no parking" pretense wasn't needed. Is it sufficient or a cop to suspect marijuana based on the fact that HS might look like a "hippie"? Requesting the ID is all that is needed for an encounter, and then that encounter can lead to frisking or whatever else just because some inbread useless eater Bubba felt like it. Seems my hot chick in swimsuit scenario is not farfetched at all. Hum...perhaps some oregano needs to be laced with cy*n*de or something. Let that piece of shit sniff THAT....he did, after all, literally ask for it. You could even say, "Uh, you don't want to sniff that..." -TD >From: Harmon Seaver <hseaver(a)cybershamanix.com> >To: Tyler Durden <camera_lumina(a)hotmail.com> >CC: emc(a)artifact.psychedelic.net, cypherpunks(a)al-qaeda.net >Subject: Re: Citizen Chics Must Put Out >Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 20:19:21 -0500 > > This last Memorial Day weekend, I was heading off to work at my fun >historical >reinactor job at a state historic site (I get to run a 150 year old >sawmill) and >dressed appropriately. My wife's car was parked behind mine in the >driveway, so >I pulled hers out and into the neigbor's, pulled mine out onto the street, >where >there is no parking -- but hey, FedEx and UPS stop there all the time, so >do >contractors who are working on homes in the area and can't get their >vehicles in >the driveways, this is a historic district afterall and driveways are >pretty >damn small -- so just as I was about to get into my pickup and drive away, >an >Oshkosh pig pulls up behind me, lights on. He says, "Is that your truck?" >and I >say yes, I was just switching cars in the driveway. He says, as he gets out >of >his car, "Step over here, please." Asks for my license, "You can't park >there." And I answer, "I'm not, I'm just switching cars." > Then things get more serious -- "I smell marijuana, do you know >marijuana is >illegal?", which is total BS since it's been far too long. Then he says, >"Do >you mind if I search you?", to which of course, I replied, "Yes I do, you >have >no right to search me." I started to say, "Yeah, and I smell pigshit." but >then >realized that if I did, I wouldn't probably wouldn't make it to my job. >Normally >I would have escalated the scene as much as possible by bad mouthing him >and his >mother as much as possible, but I really do enjoy playing at the historic >site >and getting hauled to the jail for a few hours, even as much fun as that >would >have been being as obnoxious as possible and giving them continual lectures >about how evil they are, how evil dubbya and asskruft are, how much I think >that >people like them need to be rounded up and put into re-education centers >and >given lobotomys so they can never bother decent people again -- still, I >really >wanted to make it to the job. > So we were standing there at a bit of an impass, me saying "no, you >cannot >search me." Then he says, "Well, for my own safety, I have a right to >search you >for a weapon." I really, really, wish it had been some other time, so I >could >have forced the issue and made him call for reinforcements, because it >would >have been obvious to all and sundry that what this was really all about was >the >big 3 foot tall lighted 24/7 peace sign on the roof of my house and the >bumper >stickers on my truck and perhaps my hair, but -- ah well, maybe I'm getting >old >-- so I let him do it. And, of course, instead of just patting me down, he >went >thru all my pockets. Then he went over to the truck with my keys, and I >thought >he was going to search that too, but then he must have realized he was >stepping >into some real shit, with and stopped, put my keys on top of the truck, and >got >back into his car and told me I could go. > So what am I ranting about? I'm not sure -- mostly, I guess, about how >far >things have gone. That some young skinhead pig thinks he can do something >like >this and get away with it. And it pisses me off more that it was such an >in-opportune time, because I really do love so much going off on them and >watching their stupid little faces get so flustered, watch their hands >twitch >nervously toward their guns. I really envy all those Iragis with their easy >access to RPGs -- that's probably the only real answer. > You know, there really are a lot of useless eaters, far too many >oxygen >thieves, in this country. But it's not the welfare mothers and poor that >Tim >always ranted about -- it's the pigs and those morons with the flags on >their >cars and imprinted on their brains. > On the good side, I went to the Midwest Renewable Energy Fair this >weekend, >and sat just a few feet away from the stage where John Stauber and then Amy >Goodman spoke, primarily about the media sellout in this country. > > > >On Mon, Jun 21, 2004 at 01:45:19PM -0400, Tyler Durden wrote: > > > > OK...so say an officer is at the beach and spots some hot chick in a > > bathing suit, with obviously no ID on her person. And let's say this > > officer "believes" that this chick has a bag of pot at home. Can he just >go > > and arrest her? > > -TD > > > > > > >From: Eric Cordian <emc(a)artifact.psychedelic.net> > > >To: cypherpunks(a)minder.net > > >Subject: Citizen Units Must Give Names > > >Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 09:52:44 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > >One used to have the right to be known by any name one wished, as long >as > > >one did not do so for the purpose of committing fraud, or impersonating > > >someone else. > > > > > >One certainly has an absolute right to refuse to speak to a government > > >employee when accosted. > > > > > >So it is difficult to understand the Court's "reasoning" in this case. > > > > > > >http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=domesticNews&storyID=5473543 > > > > > >----- > > > > > >WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A divided U.S. Supreme Court ruled on Monday >that > > >people are required to identify themselves when asked to do so by >police, > > >and rejected arguments that it violates their constitutional rights to > > >privacy and to remain silent. > > > > > >... > > > > > >-- > > >Eric Michael Cordian 0+ > > >O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division > > >"Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law" > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Watch the online reality show Mixed Messages with a friend and enter to >win > > a trip to NY > > >http://www.msnmessenger-download.click-url.com/go/onm00200497ave/direct/01/ > >-- >Harmon Seaver >CyberShamanix >http://www.cybershamanix.com >Hoka hey! > _________________________________________________________________ MSN 9 Dial-up Internet Access fights spam and pop-ups now 3 months FREE! http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/

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[IP] Bruce Schneier: Unchecked police and military power is a security threat (fwd from dave@farber.net)
by Eugen Leitl 24 Jun '04

24 Jun '04

----- Forwarded message from David Farber <dave(a)farber.net> -----

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[IP] Update on the INDUCE Act (now renamed the "IICA") (fwd from dave@farber.net)
by Eugen Leitl 24 Jun '04

24 Jun '04

If this thing goes through I'm going to laugh, and laugh, and laugh. ----- Forwarded message from David Farber <dave(a)farber.net> -----

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Sewing Machine Escrow...
by R. A. Hettinga 24 Jun '04

24 Jun '04

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[FoRK] Operation See-No-Evil (fwd from jbone@place.org)
by Eugen Leitl 23 Jun '04

23 Jun '04

----- Forwarded message from Contempt for Meatheads <jbone(a)place.org> -----

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Hiibel case on NPR Talk Of The Nation Wednesday 11am PDT
by Bill Stewart 23 Jun '04

23 Jun '04

I heard an announcement on NPR tonight that tomorrow's Talk Of The Nation program will be discussing the "Papers Please" case. http://www.npr.org/programs/totn/ . Mark Rotenberg of EPIC will be on. Wed, June 23, 2004 -- 11:00am PDT KQED.ORG Refusing to give your name to a police officer could get you arrested. That's what the Supreme Court ruled this week. Guests: Bill Johnson, executive director and legal counsel of the National Association of Police Organizations; and Marc Rotenberg, president of Electronic Privacy Information Center.

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[IP] When police ask your name, you must give it, Supreme Court says (fwd from dave@farber.net)
by Eugen Leitl 22 Jun '04

22 Jun '04

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Genetically Engineered Virus Reduces Cocaine Cravings
by Bill Stewart 22 Jun '04

22 Jun '04

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3825177.stm The Beeb's got a story about a virus that reduces the effects of cocaine in rats, being better at getting appropriate proteins to appropriate parts of the brain. The news story talks about the potential for use in treatment (says it's way too early to tell, and says that addictive behaviours are psychologically complex so they can't predict if addicts would just switch to other drugs if the virus makes coke not work for them, but that's the kind of thing people in the treatment biz say), but the parts of the story that talk about what the virus actually does talk about reduction in the direct effects of cocaine on rat behaviour, not the effects on withdrawal. Meanwhile, Dept of Homeland Security is pricing syringes... ---- Bill Stewart bill.stewart(a)pobox.com

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