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Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards
by Major Variola (ret) 20 Sep '04

20 Sep '04

At 08:46 PM 9/19/04 -0700, John Young wrote: >Today, even the US uses children in war, 17 being the minimum >age to enlist. Others sneak in by lying about their age, some as >young as 14. Recruiters look the other way when the kids >and their parents lie. Been there, done that. Enlisted in the >army at 15, served months before being kicked out when a >relative ratted on me. Went in again at 17. Not that it matters, but you have tipped your motivations far more than your bailey-bridge erections... Still, good things come from twisted sources... look at the GNU projekts :-)

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FSTC Project Update
by R. A. Hettinga 20 Sep '04

20 Sep '04

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FSTC Project Update
by Jim Salters 20 Sep '04

20 Sep '04

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FSTC Project Update
by Jim Salters 20 Sep '04

20 Sep '04

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Re: Academics locked out by tight visa controls
by Anne & Lynn Wheeler 20 Sep '04

20 Sep '04

At 08:03 AM 9/20/2004, John Kelsey wrote: >I guess I've been surprised this issue hasn't seen a lot more >discussion. It takes nothing more than to look at the names of the people >doing PhDs and postdocs in any technical field to figure out that a lot of >them are at least of Chinese, Indian, Arab, Iranian, Russian, etc., >ancestry. And only a little more time to find out that a lot of them are >not citizens, and have a lot of hassles with respect to living and working >here. What do you suppose happens to the US lead in high-tech, when we >*stop* drawing in some large fraction of the smartest, hardest-working >thousandth of a percent of mankind? in '94 there was report (possibly sjmn?) that said at least half of all cal. univ. tech. PHDs were awarded to foreign born. during some of the tech green card discussions in the late '90s ... it was pointed out that the internet boom (bubble) was heavily dependent on all these foreign born .... since there was hardly enuf born in the usa to meet the demand. in the late 90s there were some reports that many of these graduates had their education paid by their gov. with directions to enter an us company in strategic high tech areas for 4-8 years .... and then return home as tech transfer effort. i was told in the late 90s about one optical computing group in a high tech operation .... where all members of the group fell into this category (foreign born with obligation to return home after some period). another complicating factor competing for resources during the late 90s high-tech, internet boom (bubble?) period was the significant resource requirement for y2k remediation efforts. nsf had recent study on part of this http://www.nsf.gov/sbe/srs/infbrief/ib.htm graduate enrollment in science and engineering fields reaches new peak; 1st time enrollment of foreign students drops http://www.nsf.gov/sbe/srs/infbrief/nsf04326/start.htm -- Anne & Lynn Wheeler http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/

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Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards
by Tyler Durden 20 Sep '04

20 Sep '04

> It's a no, which sure seems to be your answer to my first question. OK, I understand the "stupid" part, but not the "anxious" part. Should I be concerned about your interest in Cypherpunks? >('He made an unfavorable, on-point response to John Young, On-point? It sounded like a mere insult, without zero substance behind it. In general, I have found that Cypherpunks knock the CRAP out of each other (kind of a 'Fight Club'), but most of the swipes are backed with a lot of logic and facts. I saw nether in your little post, so in the context of your long-term contributions, I thought I'd give you the sniff-test. As of right now, there's the faint smell of shit in the air. >speculation is rather amusing too. I won't humiliate & confuse you with >the truth. That better not be a reference to King Crimson. As leader of the Cypherpunks (I am declaring my leadership right now effective for the duration of this post), I hereby FORBID you to listen to King Crimson. Please keep your ears on Yes/Gentle Giant/Jethro Tull and so on. > Thanks for the dance! It was....educational, but now I'm bored of going >in circles. :) I've seen that "I'm bored" comment many times on the Internet. I'll translate for you: "I want to continue to take baseless swipes at opinionated list members, but now that you've called me on it I really don't want to have to defend what I'm saying, so I'll stop posting until you've forgotten about this incident." Gotcha. -TD _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement

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Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards
by Tyler Durden 20 Sep '04

20 Sep '04

"Tim" wrote... > Is there any reason other than you being stupid & anxious to offer some >feeble witticism for you to wonder if "we" use binoculars often? More >importantly (at least to some of us), how is that relevent to anything? ...so that would be a yes, then? I'm always interested in sniffing out contributing FEDs...it helps to determine whether you really believe what you're saying, or whether it's just part of your job. I'm guessing that your email "nightwatch" is also indicative of the latter. -TD _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/

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The internment taboo
by R. A. Hettinga 20 Sep '04

20 Sep '04

<http://www.townhall.com/columnists/johnleo/printjl20040920.shtml> Townhall.com r-friendly version The internment taboo John Leo (back to web version) | Send September 20, 2004 Thanks to columnist Michelle Malkin, we are at last moving toward our first national discussion on the wisdom and fairness of interning 100,000 ethnic Japanese during World War II. For at least a generation, the issue has been positioned as closed and undebatable--the evacuation of Japanese aliens and Japanese-American citizens from the West Coast was simply due to racism and wartime hysteria. This orthodox view is reflected in histories, textbooks, fiction, and museums. Plausible reasons for the evacuation are almost always dropped from these presentations, and racism is simply assumed ("Ancestry Is Not a Crime" is one curriculum title). In her book In Defense of Internment, Malkin argues that President Roosevelt's order to move ethnic Japanese from the coast was at the very least a close call and can be viewed as a reasonable and mild decision, given the vulnerabilities of the United States to raids and attacks supported by a small minority of Issei (Japanese aliens) and Nisei (Japanese-Americans, many of whom held dual citizenship). With most of the U.S. fleet destroyed at Pearl Harbor, the Pacific became a Japanese pond, and in a series of raids, Japanese subs sank U.S. ships off the coast, shelled California's Goleta Oil Fields, and torpedoed a ship that escaped by running aground in the mouth of the Columbia River. In the view of Secretary of War Henry Stimson, "It was quite impossible to be sure that the raiders would not receive important help from individuals of Japanese origin." The core of Malkin's book concerns the so-called Magic messages--intercepted and decoded Japanese messages sent to and from Japan and kept secret by the United States until 1977. The Magic messages were startling. By mid-1941 the Japanese had set up an extensive espionage network along America's West Coast, recruiting Issei and Nisei and surveilling near military bases, shipyards, airfields, and ports. A Honolulu cell provided important last-minute help to the attackers at Pearl Harbor. Though the U.S. intelligence community knew that the vast majority of ethnic Japanese in America were no threat, it also knew that the Japanese government was beaming messages of ultranationalism, sometimes calling on Nisei to return to Japan for political or military training--the madrasahs of the day. A secret U.S. government estimate said perhaps 3,500 ethnic Japanese in America were active supporters of the Japanese war effort. After the war, Japan said that 1,648 Japanese-American citizens had fought in Japan's Army. Other estimates set the number as high as 7,000. In 1944, when the United States gave American Japanese a chance to renounce their U.S. citizenship, some 5,620 did so, and 2,031 left for Japan. Orthodox anti-internment historians generally discount the role of the Magic messages. Canadian historian Greg Robinson, who recently denounced Malkin's "crackpot book," mentioned the messages glancingly in two sentences of his 2001 book, By Order of the President, and spent a great deal of space musing about FDR's racial attitudes. In February of1942, Roosevelt issued the order that led to the evacuation of Japanese and members of other ethnic groups from the West Coast, as Canada and Mexico had already done. German and Italian aliens accounted for 14,183 of the U.S. internee population. Because of the intercepted Magic messages and the Japanese raids along the coast, the United States was primarily concerned with the Japanese population, but neither the stats nor the language of the order sustains the charge of racism. The initial evacuation was only on the West Coast. Nisei and Issei further east were left alone. The U.S. government assumed, or hoped, that evacuees would find suitable jobs and homes in the interior, but only 5,000 to 10,000 did. The camps were set up when most evacuees either couldn't or wouldn't move east on their own. As Malkin points out, evacuees at first were free to leave the camps if they found work or educational opportunities outside--some 4,300 left the camps to attend college. Camp conditions were often harsh, and the evacuation attached a harmful stigma to all Japanese in America. But Roosevelt, much of America's liberal establishment, and the Supreme Court signed off on evacuation as a reasonable step taken under extreme wartime pressure. Malkin's point is that if the threat to the survival of America is severe enough, some civil liberties must yield. She is right that the internment issue is currently being wielded as a club to prevent reasonable extra scrutiny of suspect Arabs and Muslims. But the twin towers were not brought down by militant Swedish nuns. It is always reasonable to look in the direction from which the gravest danger is coming. It's also reasonable and important to open an honest discussion of internment, past and present. -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards
by Tyler Durden 20 Sep '04

20 Sep '04

Tim wrote... > You demonstrate that point well. Hum. Spend a lot of time with binoculars, do we? How much does the FBI pay field ops these days? -TD _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/

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[e-gold-list] GOLDMONEY PATENTS - PROOF OF PRIOR ART EXISTS
by Daniel S 20 Sep '04

20 Sep '04

Take a look at a document I discovered today: http://www.itk.ntnu.no/ansatte/Andresen_Trond/finans/others/interest-free-m… THIS DOCUMENT WAS PUBLISHED BY Bernard A. Lietaer, July 1990 GoldMoney's patents are of no value as this document describes EXACTLY what James Turk filed as patent 3 years later. --- "This New Currency would be convertible because each of its component commodities is immediately convertible. The Central Bank would commit to deliver commodities from this basket, whose value in foreign currency equals the value of that particular basket." ***** "There are a number of practical ways by which this negative interest rate could be levied. To begin with, most of the "money" in circulation (and practically all of the New Currency that would be circulated internationally) takes the form of accounting entries in a computer somewhere, and it would be fairly simple to charge electronically the negative interest rate on these accounts." ***** "Technically, this New Currency is a combination of two concepts, usually analysed separately: stamp scrip, and currency backed by a basket of commodities." "An additional flexibility: the Central Bank could keep and trade its commodity inventories wherever the international market is most convenient for its own purposes: Zurich for gold, London for copper, New York for silver, etc." "There is even a high-tech option in the form of the "chips on a card" electronic money tested in France: money is issued in the form of an "intelligent debit card" where a computer chip is imbedded in the card." "Whenever a payment is made by inserting the card in a Point of Sale terminal, a phone, or any other device accepting the card, the credit on the card could automatically be adjusted for the time delay since the card was last debited. For smaller amounts which require a lower security level, cheaper magnetic strip cards are also available, such as the ones issued for the rapid transit systems of San Francisco, Caracas or Washington D.C., or the British and Japanese telephone authorities." Comments? --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: rah(a)shipwright.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-e-gold-list-507998N(a)talk.e-gold.com Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses. --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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