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Possible backdoor in FIPS SP 800-90 PRNG (fwd)
by J.A. Terranson 15 Nov '07

15 Nov '07

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:08:05 -0800 (PST) From: Hal Finney <hal(a)finney.org> To: cryptography(a)metzdowd.com Subject: Possible backdoor in FIPS SP 800-90 PRNG Slashdot this morning has a posting about the possibility of a back door in the elliptic curve random number generator in FIPS SP 800-90. http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/11/15/184204 has links to an article by Bruce Schneier at wired.com, the standard, and the presentation with the new result. The work is by Dan Shumow and Niels Ferguson and was presented at the Crypto 2007 rump session. Basically there are two elliptic curve points, and if you know the discrete logarithm of one relative to the other, you can reverse engineer the internal state just from the RNG outputs. It's a very nice piece of analysis. The problem is that NIST publishes a pair of points that they suggest you use, in Appendix A.1, without giving any hint of how they were derived. This leaves open the possibility that they were selected in such a way as to exploit the Shumow/Ferguson back door. Now, here's the strange thing. In Appendix A.2 NIST says that you can use your own pair of points if you want to. But, they caution very strongly that in that case, anyone relying on the PRNG should verify that the pair of points were generated randomly. They describe a specific procedure for generating random points in a provable way (via hashing some other data) and require that the seeds that were used be saved and made available to the verifier. They don't say anything about why this is important, but the work by Shumow and Ferguson now makes it clear. Otherwise there is the possibility of a very serious back door. So this raises the obvious question, why didn't NIST publish the seeds that were used to generate the default points from Appendix A.1? It seems odd that they are so insistent about using a verifiable procedure to create points, and then they don't say whether they followed it themselves. If they did use that procedure, NIST could simply publish the seeds for the point generation and everyone will be able to verify that the points are random and there is no back door. Unfortunately there is a complication, which is that one of the pair of points is inherited from FIPS 186-3, the Digital Signature Standard. The EC PRNG uses the curve and base point from EC DSS. It then chooses another point, and the two points are used for the PRNG. It's not particularly likely that the base point from EC DSS was generated via the randomizing technique prescribed for the EC RNG. And even if the 2nd point for the EC RNG is in fact generated randomly and they can prove it, it would not rule out the possibility that the base point from EC DSS had actually been pre-selected to allow for a back door. It is crucial that both points be generated randomly for the EC RNG to be secure. Ironically, the EC DSS standard does publish a seed used for a PRNG to generate the elliptic curves, so as to assure that they are random. However based on my reading of IEEE P1363 which tells how to do this, it does not appear that the seed constrains the base point, only the curve parameters. Unless NIST did use a verifiably random method to generate the base points in EC DSS and the 2nd points in EC PRNG then there is no foundation for security. Therefore the only reasonable way forward is for NIST to either publish the seeds that were used for these points, if they exist, or to revise the standard to use new points and publish the seeds for both of them. There is no need to re-use the points from FIPS 186-3, a new pair of points should be chosen for the PRNG via the specified randomization. Hal Finney PGP Corporation --------------------------------------------------------------------- The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe cryptography" to majordomo(a)metzdowd.com

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fyi: Colossus in action (fwd)
by J.A. Terranson 15 Nov '07

15 Nov '07

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 09:49:45 -0800 From: ' =JeffH ' <Jeff.Hodges(a)KingsMountain.com> To: cryptography(a)metzdowd.com Subject: fyi: Colossus in action "BP" being Bletchley Park of course. http://www.bletchleypark.org.uk/ =JeffH

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