- cypherpunks-legacy - lists.cpunks.org

The WELL took off PGP from public downloads
by crunch＠netcom.com 08 Apr '93

08 Apr '93

Just thought I should mention, that "gail" has removed PGP from the WELL's public downloads, and when I asked her why, she didn't comment (yet!). JD

1 0

MATH: Zero Knowledge Proofs
by tcmay＠netcom.com 08 Apr '93

08 Apr '93

[Since this should also be of interest to the Cypherpunks list, which Ray is/was subscribed to, I am posting this essay to that list.] Ray Cromwell writes: > Could someone explain zero knowledge proofs and give me an example. I >have taken number theory and abstract algebra so feel free to use equations. > >(I know that zero knowledge proofs are a way of certifying something without >revealing the information you are certifying, but I want to know how they >work mathematically) Zero knowledge interactive proof systems ("ZKIPS") are sometimes called "minimum disclosure proofs" (with some subtle differences) and are exciting and mysterious (at first) methods that lie at the heart of modern cryptology. Here's a simple explanation. Too bad we don't have a blackboard! ALICE AND BOB (some people call them Peggy the Prover and Vic the Verifier) Alice wishes to prove to Bob that she knows some item of knowledge without actually giving Bob any of that knowledge. Let us first imagine that Alice claims she knows a "Hamiltonian cycle" on a particular graph. (For a given set of nodes and arcs linking some of those nodes, a Hamiltonian cycle is one which passes through each node once and only once. You might want to draw some graphs on a sheet of paper and try to find a Hamiltonian cycle for the graphs, to get a feel for the problem.) The particular graph may be "registered" somewhere with Alice's claim that she--and only she, for reasons I'll discuss at the end--knows a Hamiltonian cycle for the graph. In a sense, this is her "proof of identity." To make this example concrete, Alice is using this piece of knowledge as her *password* to get into some system. She presents a map of 50 cities and some set of highways interconnecting them and says "I am who I say I am if and only if I know a Hamiltonian cycle for this graph." The conventional (non zero knowledge) way to convey this knowledge is for Alice to simply *show* the Hamiltonian cycle to Bob. This is how passwords are currently handled. Bob, and anybody else who is spying on the exchange, then knows the "secret," which isn't a secret anymore. (Anybody who saw the exchange, including Sysadmin Bob, could then impersonate her.) ENTER ZERO KNOWLEDGE Alice, instead of showing Bob the Hamiltonian cycle, takes the cities and covers them with something, say, coins. (On a computer, this is all done in software, using the cryptographic protocol called "bit commitment.") Alice scrambles the position of the cities (covered by coins) so as not to allow positional cues. (Most of the 50 cities should have about the same number, ideally exactly the same number, of links to other cities, to ensure that some cities are not "marked" by having some unique number of links. A detail.) Needless to say, she scrambles the cities out of sight of Bob, so he can't figure out which cities are which. However, once she's done with the scrambling, she displays the cities in such a way that she can't *later change*..i.e., she "commits" to the values, using well-known cryptographic methods for this. (If this sounds mysterious, read up on it. It's how "mental poker" and other crypto protocols are handled.) Bob sees 50 cities with links to other cities, but he doesn't have any way of knowing which of the covered cities are which. Nor, I should add, are the links labelled in any way--it wouldn't do to have some links permanently labelled "Route 66" or "Highway 101"! She says to Bob: "Pick one choice. Either you can see a Hamiltonian cycle for this set of covered cities and links, or you can see the cities uncovered." In other words, "Alice cuts, Bob chooses." Bob tosses a coin or chooses randomly somehow and says: "Show me the cities." Alice uncovers all the cities and Bob examines the graph. He sees that Akron is indeed connected to Boise, to Chicago, to Denver, not to Erie, and so on. In short, he confirms that Alice has shown him the original graph. No substitution of another graph was made. Bob, who is suspicious that this person is really who she claims to be, says to Alice: "Ok, big deal! So you anticipated I was going to ask you to show me the cities. Anybody could have gotten Alice's publicly registered graph and just shown it to me. You had a 50-50 chance of guessing which choice I'd make." Alice smugly says to him: "Fine, let's do it again." She scrambles the cities (which are covered) and displays the graph to Bob...50 covered cities and various links between them. She tells Bob to choose again. This time Bob says: "Show me the Hamiltonian cycle." Without uncovering the cities (which would give the secret away, of course), Alice connects the cities together in a legal Hamiltonian cycle. Bob says, "OK, so this time you figured I was going to ask you the opposite of what I did last time and you just substituted some other graph that you happened to know the Hamiltonian cycle of. I have no guarantee the graphs are really the same." Alice, who knows this is just the beginning, says: "Let's do the next round." ...and so it goes.... After 30 rounds, Alice has either produced a legal Hamiltonian cycle or a graph that is the same as (isomorphic to...same cities linked to same other cities) the registered graph in each and every one of the rounds. There are two possibilities: 1. She's an imposter and has guessed correctly *each time* which choice Bob will make, thus allowing her to substitute either another graph altogether (for when Bob wants to see the Hamiltonian cycle) or just the original graph (for when Bob asks to see the cities uncovered to confirm it's the real graph). Remember, if Alice guesses wrong even once, she's caught red-handed. 2. She really is who she claims to be and she really does know a Hamiltonian cycle of the specified graph. The odds of #1 being true drop rapidly as the number of rounds are increased, and after 30 rounds, are only 1 in 2^30, or 1 in a billion. Bob choose to believe that Alice knows the solution. Alice has conveyed to Bob proof that she is in possession of some knowledge without actually revealing any knowledge at all! The proof is "probabilistic." This is the essence of a zero knowledge proof. There's more to it than just this example, of course, but this is the basic idea. SOME DETAILS 1. Could someone else discover the Hamiltonian cycle of Alice's graph? Exhaustive search is the only way to guarantee a solution will be found--the Hamiltonian cycle problem is a famous "NP-complete" combinatorial problem. This is intractable for reasonable numbers of nodes. 50 nodes is intractable. 2. If finding a Hamiltonian cycle is intractable, how the hell did Alice ever find one? She didn't *have* to find one! She started with 50 cities, quickly connected them so that the path went through each city only once and then wrote this path down as her "secret" solution. Then she went back and added the other randomly chosen interconnects to make the complete graph. For this graph, she obviously knows a Hamiltonian cycle, *by construction*. 3. Can Bob reconstruct what the Hamilonian cycle must be by asking for enough rounds to be done? Not generally. Read the papers for details on this, which gets deeply into under what circumstance partial knowledge of the solution gives away the complete solution. 4. Are there other problems that can be used in this same way? Yes, there are many forms. I find the Hamiltonian cycle explanation quite easy to explain to people. (Though usually I can draw pictures, which helps a lot.) 5. How general is the "zero knowledge interactive proof" approach? Anything provable in formal logic is provable in zero knowledge, saith the mathematicians and crypto gurus. Check out the various "Crypto Conference" Proceedings. Hope this helps. -Tim May -- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)netcom.com | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero 408-688-5409 | knowledge, reputations, information markets, W.A.S.T.E.: Aptos, CA | black markets, collapse of governments. Higher Power: 2^756839 | Public Key: MailSafe and PGP available.

2 1

Thanks for Mac PGP 2.2 Pointers
by Doug.Brightwell＠Corp.Sun.COM 08 Apr '93

08 Apr '93

Thanks to all who responded to my query regarding ftp sites for Mac PGP 2.2. Doug Brightwell

1 0

Re: PGP and problems therewith.
by kieran2101＠aol.com 08 Apr '93

08 Apr '93

> I was under the impression that there was a newsgroup for discussion of how > to use PGP. There is: alt.security.pgp. Of course, like all alt.* groups, its propagation may vary.

1 0

FLAME: Perry M. vs. taking action (was: Re: PHRACK...)
by fen＠genmagic.genmagic.com 07 Apr '93

07 Apr '93

Perry - > > If you don't like your goverment, vote. > > I'm an anarchist. You might as well say to an atheist "if you don't > like Catholicism, start a schism." I, too, aspire towards anarchy, but I don't ignore the tools around me. Not voting in today's society is a cop out. It is most certainly not perfect, and the choices suck, but it remains one of the major voices you have today in the world. Anarchy works best when people are informed. Education is key. Simply bad-mouthing other's works is not giving people a choice to decide which of two views they feel are better. Rather, it just fuels the fires of apathy (that the governemnt have been fanning for so long). Cypherpunks are trying to change the world. Sounds like you're just going to whine about it. Positive action will always be more effective. And better received. Fen PS: I must say that with your lack of content in your posts, if I had a filter on my email, it would filter out yours.

3 2

Re: PHRACK: ...put up or...
by Mr. Noise 07 Apr '93

07 Apr '93

> > >The flaws are big enough to drive a bakery truck through. Its trash. > > > maybe you should do a better writeup and publish it in PHRACK or 2600? > [...] > If you don't like your goverment, vote. If you don't like something that is > published, write something yourself. It's not some type of elite club of > writers, both publications welcome people of all walks to submit. Hear, hear! For cryin' out loud, Fido 'Snooze' accepts *everything* they're sent! ...& if that isn't good enough, start your own: electrons are free! (Well, sort of...)

1 0

EMI shielding
by karn＠qualcomm.com 07 Apr '93

07 Apr '93

Apropos the recent discussion about TEMPEST shielding, there's an interesting product that might prove quite useful: CAPCON EMI suppressant tubing. A colleague got a shipment of it today. It's ordinary black rubber tubing that has been loaded with iron oxide. It comes in 26 sizes from .04" ID to 1.25" ID, and is claimed to have much better attenuation than ferrite beads, especially at UHF and microwave frequencies. You can shield entire cable lengths with it, or you can apply it in short segments (1" to 1') just like ferrite beads and get plenty of attenuation for less cost and weight (this stuff is *heavy*, and the 1/2" stuff cost several dollars per foot.) It's also available as sheeting in various thicknesses for lining cabinets, etc. I got the bright idea to test the absorptivity claims for this stuff by putting an 8" piece into a microwave oven. After 10 seconds, it was too hot to handle. I'd say it's doing just what it's supposed to do. Contact info: Capcon, Inc 147 W 25th St New York, NY 10001 212-243-6275 212-645-0185 (fax) Phil

1 0

Re: Real-time BBS Encryption??
by J. Michael Diehl 07 Apr '93

07 Apr '93

> Re: encrypting modem links > >I'm wondering if there is a way to do this with PCs? > Yes, with difficulty, and not transparently. > > >Is there a way to encrypt a remote users entire connection with > >the BBS, so that they would have to have a special term program to access > >the system? > > For PC's, replacing the terminal software is really the best way. > There is no effective abstraction of serial port hardware in the PC > world. The int 0x14 driver in the BIOS was rampantly defective, and > MSDOS does not provide a standard interface. Or, we could impliment an "external protocal" like zmodem. This would simply take keystrokes, buffer them, then encrypt/decrypt them. Make the source portable, and obtainable.

2 1

WB: public kiosks
by Karl Barrus 07 Apr '93

07 Apr '93

On the importance of anonymity (in regards to the whistleblower project): Last week, the Houston Chronicle ran two or three articles on how ill run the Nuclear Regulatory Commission is. Specifically, the article described how one or two people had their careers absolutely ruined by raising safety concerns at nuclear plants. In each case, the employees involved were terminated shortly after citing safety hazards (such as spills left uncleaned on table tops, etc.) Someone quoted in the article stated this behavior undoubtedly scares off other potential informers. Plus, I read an article in the Chronicle about how a NASA employee was fired for his political beliefs. Well, it is more complicated: the employee actively participated in some usenet group (talk.politics.china?), and had a store of back articles on his computer at work, which his superiors discovered. Shortly thereafter, he lost his job. I've been busy of late and could kick myself for not saving these papers, because real world incidents such as these strengthen our arguments for privacy and anonymity. Some people have such an irritating tendency to assume irresponsibility and abuse when a freedom becomes available - just read news.admin.policy. /-----------------------------------\ | Karl L. Barrus | | elee9sf(a)menudo.uh.edu | <- preferred address | barrus(a)tree.egr.uh.edu (NeXTMail) | \-----------------------------------/

1 0

Re: Real-time BBS Encryption??
by karn＠qualcomm.com 07 Apr '93

07 Apr '93

Actually, I think a much more powerful solution is to run TCP/IP over the serial link and to encrypt individual IP datagrams. This is the charter of the IETF "ip-security" working group, and there is already a prototype implementation of one approach working. Phil

1 0