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Is this list still operational?
by TO1SITTLER＠APSICC.APS.EDU 22 Apr '93

22 Apr '93

Ive been wondering if the list still exists. Ive seen very little traffic in the last few hours, and Im wondering if this mailing list is still around. Kragen

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Wired `Cypherpunk' issues will be available at the meeting
by gnu 22 Apr '93

22 Apr '93

I got a box of magazines and will be selling them at the cover price ($5) at the meeting. It's the May/June issue. The cover features three masked cypherpunks behind a flag; the whole crew appears on page 54. People who aren't coming to the meeting can get copies at their local bookstore, or call George Clark at Wired at +1 415 904 0660. If you want to subscribe (6 issues/year, $20), you can call +1 800 SO WIRED or send a check to Wired, 544 2nd St, SF, CA 94107. John

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John Draper
by Danny.Swerdloff＠f246.n107.z1.ieee.org 22 Apr '93

22 Apr '93

Anyone know how I can contact John Draper ("Cap'n Crunch") Thanx... Danny -- =*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*= Danny Swerdloff - Internet: Danny.Swerdloff(a)f246.n107.z1.ieee.org

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The Wiretap Chip and the reaction so far
by baumbach＠atmel.com 22 Apr '93

22 Apr '93

I have been suprised at how wide the knowledge of the Wiretap Chip has spread. (and how quickly!) My mom even heard about it before I could tell her. Most of the people I've talked to don't like the idea of the gov't having the keys. These people came to this conlusion on their own. The sources of their information might be biasing their view. :-) I heard a commentary on National Public Radio that was against it! Keep up the fight. It's not a loosing battle. There is also a bright side to this battle. Look at all the free publicity that privacy has gotten. Our gov't has given ground in the early rounds of the negotiation by stating there is a right to encryption. They want to completely control that right to encryption, and this we will fight and win. -----tactic I recommend telling people about the freedom and privacy gained in other countries by their use of PGP. Tell them that the secret police can no longer spy on their citizens as effectively. privacy == freedom no privacy == tyranny Peter Baumbach baumbach(a)atmel.com Boycott the KGB chip Boycott the IRS chip

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Re: Meets 'n Greets
by Giuseppe Cimmino 21 Apr '93

21 Apr '93

DC's 26oo meetings are held in the food court of a local mall. The location doesn't require scheduling, can be gotten to via Metro and while private property, usually doesn't run into problems with peaceful gathering. A National Park would solve (for the time being) the later problem (perhaps the park in front of the White House?). Any other DC folks interested?

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The (very) next Saturday Meeting
by Arthur Abraham 21 Apr '93

21 Apr '93

I will be presenting a short talk entitled: Clipper (Nail* | *Ship): External Functionality based on the hardware specs of this topical device. p.s. I tried to get samples, but the price was $300,000 for 10,000 units, and I didn't think that many pe

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Re: The Family Key
by peb＠PROCASE.COM 21 Apr '93

21 Apr '93

>From: Harry Shapiro <habs(a)Panix.Com> >press release claims that the Clipper >chip doesn't provide anything more than what Law Enforcement already >has. That is not true. I was about to say this myself too, but Hellman already pointed it out. However, it is worth mentioning for emphasis. The Family key is known not only to the NSA, but to the FBI with their black box units. No special protection is given to this key and it allows the equivalent of Caller-ID *and* Callee-ID over all transmissions using Clipper regardless of how the calls are routed. This is *much* cheaper than speaker recognition used in roving wiretaps! Roving wire taps are given out sparingly, but it seems that Clipper would make the scanning of huge numbers of calls and saving traffic info the normal mode of operation. In my letter to Casa Blanca I mentioned that I noticed this deception in the NIST press release. Another feature of the F key is that it could be changed in new runs of chip making, but evidently, protecting F is not a great concern by NIST/FBI, et al. The 3, 34 bit pads, if/when the entire system is entirely compromised, could be changed--in fact they could do it regularly anyway--they can keep a list of Serial number to pad mappings. This would prevent the system from entirely being compromised by an outside [NSA] entity, so it is somewhat robust to that possibility. Paul E. Baclace peb(a)procase.com

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"Cypherpunks Write Code"
by derek＠cs.wisc.edu 21 Apr '93

21 Apr '93

Hmm, I write code -- but so far no cyphercode. Since I'd like to be part of the cypherdelic revolution, what code needs writing? I agree that the PC/modem scrambled telephone is a good idea, but others are already bashing that out; there must be other neat projects that want doing. Any thoughts? derek psypherdelic psypherdewd (in training)

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Re: Crypto Activism and Respectability
by Stanton McCandlish 21 Apr '93

21 Apr '93

RE: becoming suits. No. Cypherpunks is a unique group, don't cheapen it. Get the suits sympathetic to you (and among you) to do the suit thing. RE: change the name. Why? It is not as if cypherpunks is a cable network. It is a mailing list. Most people will never know it exists. If you send out missives for the masses, just sign them with you name, and don't put "cypherpunks" on it, if you fear it will be misinterpreted. I know how it feels. My BBS sounds like a hackers' den, but it is a clean, legal online library, and has not that much in common with the typical BBS. Sometimes I think of changing the name and then I think, "No, no Noise in the Void was the name, is the name, will be the name." If people want a Nat'l. Cryptography Assoc., let them go make one. Re: why I joined, and if it has anything to do with the name. I signed on the list, because I needed info on crypto, and sci.crypt is in- convenient (I hardly use UseNet anymore, it becomes more worthless by the second it seems.) However I did grin punkishly at the name. I like it. If the list had been Nat'l. Crypto. Assoc., I would likely have avoided it, simple because it sounds suit, and I have no patience with suits, and do not trust them. <shrug> -- Testes saxi solidi! ********************** Podex opacus gravedinosus est! Stanton McCandlish, SysOp: Noise in the Void Data Center BBS IndraNet: 369:1/1 FidoNet: 1:301/2 Internet: anton(a)hydra.unm.edu Snail: 8020 Central SE #405, Albuquerque, New Mexico 87108 USA Data phone: +1-505-246-8515 (24hr, 1200-14400 v32bis, N-8-1) Vox phone: +1-505-247-3402 (bps rate varies, depends on if you woke me up...:)

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JOBS: Cypherpunks employing Cypherpunks
by The Phantom 21 Apr '93

21 Apr '93

Clipper: If anyone wants it, I can send you the text to the letter I just sent President Clinton and the local papers. I think it is a decent, fairly non-technical letter that might point out some of the parallels between this crypto chip and invasion of privacy to the common person. In my local area, I have now been responsible for 'educating' over 30 people to my interpretation of the meaning of this chip offering. I think it is important that the public knows a little about what is going on so that they can make a conscious decision about the usefulness of it. I don't however, wish to waste list bandwidth with the text of it, as I don't personally think it is a masterpeice. :) Cypherpunks employing Cypherpunks: On another note, I hate it when people use the list for purely personal reasons, but I really need a summer job / internship. If you own your own business [ :) ] or know of a _possible_ opening in a company you work for, please, please contact me and run it by me. I am an Electrical Engineering student at the University of Washington (I hold a 3.2 in my EE classes) and have very few qualms about relocating over the summer (it might even be nice if it were in the bay area, as then I could make it to a Cypherpunk meeting!) It'd be really nice to finally meet some of the people I've been talking to for all of these months. Any leads or ideas would be appreciated. Matt Thomlinson University of Washington, Seattle, Washington. Internet: phantom(a)u.washington.edu phone: (206) 528-5732 PGP 2.2 key available via email or finger phantom(a)hardy.u.washington.edu

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