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New disclosures on 2600 case (Forwarded message)
by fergp＠sytex.com 23 Apr '93

23 Apr '93

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Although it's not directly related to the cypherpunks agenda, I wanted to forward this message to the list to show the lengths that law enforcement agencies will go to do their bidding. Unfortunately, it would appear that we can expect more of the same shady behaviour in the future. 8<------ Begin forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1993 22:18:18 EST Reply-To: David Sobel <uunet!washofc.cpsr.org!dsobel> Sender: Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility <uunet!VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU!CPSR%GWUVM.BITNET> From: David Sobel <uunet!washofc.cpsr.org!dsobel> Organization: CPSR Civil Liberties and Computing Project Subject: New disclosures in 2600 case New disclosures in 2600 case As you may recall, last November at a shopping mall outside of Washington, DC, a group of people affiliated with the computer magazine "2600" was confronted by mall security personnel, local police officers and several unidentified individuals. The group members were ordered to identify themselves and to submit to searches of their personal property. Their names were recorded by mall security personnel and some of their property was confiscated. However, no charges were ever brought against any of the individuals at the meeting. Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility ("CPSR") filed suit under the Freedom of Information Act and today received the Secret Service's response to the FOIA lawsuit, in which we are seeking agency records concerning the break-up of the meeting. I think it's safe to say that our suspicions have now been confirmed -- the Secret Service *did* obtain a list of names from mall security identifying the people in attendance at the meeting. There are three main points contained in the Secret Service's court papers that are significant: 1) The agency states that the information it possesses concerning the incident was obtained "in the course of a criminal investigation that is being conducted pursuant to the Secret Service's authority to investigate access device and computer fraud." 2) The agency possesses two relevant documents and the information in those documents "consists solely of information identifying individuals." 3) The information was obtained from a "confidential source," and the agency emphasizes that the FOIA's definition of such a source includes "any private institution which provided information on a confidential basis." Taken together, these facts seem to prove that the Secret Service wanted names, they had the mall security people collect them, and they came away from the incident with the list they wanted. The agency asserts that "[t]he premature release of the identities of the individual(s) at issue could easily result in interference to the Secret Service's investigation by alerting these individual(s) that they are under investigation and thus allowing the individual(s) to alter their behavior and/or evidence." CPSR, in conjunction with EFF and the ACLU, is planning to challenge the actions of the mall security personnel, the local police and the Secret Service on the ground that the incident amounted to a warrantless search and seizure conducted at the behest of the Secret Service. David Sobel CPSR Legal Counsel dsobel(a)washofc.cpsr.org 8<------ End of forwarded message ------- Cheers. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.2 iQCVAgUBK9gSjpRLcZSdHMBNAQG2EwP/VKX6j0F90NYWyfiyyP5C0gjtBVXG1ed4 AzETLqMOVnG+vjRS6h6cSTwoojJHhKhAmQGmW8gDlp98KLRAiY2ULMmxaMTA/cKW jIuECDaKLdA21lPgcPhvKsAqQEHPBv1AALA6WTSeGQ6IRlugPfXE4LX+TBYH6/Q7 f69b7sJZgZ8= =Ou0Z -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Paul Ferguson | Uncle Sam wants to read Network Integration Consultant | your e-mail... Centreville, Virginia USA | Just say "NO" to the Clipper fergp(a)sytex.com | Chip...

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DC Digs
by fergp＠sytex.com 23 Apr '93

23 Apr '93

On Thu, 22 Apr 1993 19:26:59 -0400, Bob Stratton <uunet!intercon.com!strat> wrote - BS> I'm more than willing to defer to the majority, though I think BS> there's something to be said for networking the meetings, BS> especially if we have good tools. I've also already received a BS> great deal of response to the idea of a Saturday meeting, even BS> from out-of-towners. To that end, I'm going to post an BS> announcement for a Saturday meeting, and see what happens. BS> Several of us have been planning it for a couple of days now, BS> so don't take it personally or anything. BS> Eric and I have discussed the idea of audio teleconferencing the BS> various meetings, either via the Internet or by phone. I've got BS> both a Sun IPC equipped to do the former, and a Western Electric BS> conference telephone (and 6-way on my switch) for the latter. BS> Well readers, which do you prefer? I'll be there Saturday -- all of you should know by now that (at least for the time being) I'm out-of-town on Mondays (and every other weekday). Also, I just read a message announcing the Boston (Cambridge) area meeting tomorrow as well, along with mention of an electronic conference call to the west coast group. See you there. Cheers. Paul Ferguson | Uncle Sam wants to read Network Integration Consultant | your e-mail... Centreville, Virginia USA | Just say "NO" to the Clipper fergp(a)sytex.com | Chip...

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radio fingerprinting
by grady＠netcom.com 23 Apr '93

23 Apr '93

As N1KGX (William S. Yerazuni of Marloboro MA) points out, echanging PGP fingerprints rather than encrypting messages is completely permitted by FCC regulations (97.113 in particular). Also, amateurs particpating in tomorrow's net are reminded of the callsign server telnet callsign.cs.buffalo.edu 2000 in case their radios are near their net links... you can verify fingerprint, name, call, address, phone, or whatever coevally. Saturday 4/23/93 at 17:00 UTC > (10 am PDT). I'd like to contact as many > of you as possible from my modest station > in Humboldt County California. > > For Bay area people, let's try 7265 Mhz; > for people elsewhere in the United States and > elsewhere in the world, conditons permitting, > how about 14.335 at 17:30 UTC. +-for QRM? 73 de KD6ETH/KN6CP Grady Ward

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re:Suits
by Arthur Abraham 23 Apr '93

23 Apr '93

Though these missives were much longer than I'd like, they were extremely interesting, with good points on each side.... ...I seem to come down more on Tim's since "cypherpunks" is just a mailing list, and I just can't get scared or insulted by ASCII no matter how hard I try. And the name might wakeup an sleepy reader in a print article. In person (Perry's argument) a mailing list doesn't/can't have a reprentative, else Dotty could subscribe and pass herself off as a list member/representative. Actually, people just represent themselves, and have to be aware of how effective a presenter of their message they are no matter what they are doing. -a2.

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Family Key
by Arthur Abraham 23 Apr '93

23 Apr '93

At this time, there is no reason not to assume that every LE agency will have access to the family key. In the future there is every reason to expect that all LE agencies will develope a pressing need for family key(s) and decrypto equiptment. In the past in Nazi Germany, this sort of traffic analysis applied to telephone call records allowed the LE agencies to round up cells of resistance. To this day, such records are not kept in Germany. -a2. ..

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Exchange fingerprints via radio
by grady＠netcom.com 23 Apr '93

23 Apr '93

For other radio amateurs who are readers of this list I'd like to try an experiment in alternative (to the telephone) communication tomorrow, Saturday 4/23/93 at 17:00 UTC (10 am PDT). I'd like to contact as many of you as possible from my modest station in Humboldt County California. For Bay area people, let's try 7265 Mhz; for people elsewhere in the United States and elsewhere in the world, conditons permitting, how about 14.335 at 17:30 UTC. +-for QRM? I will be running 100w into a vertical, call is KN6CP I will be asking for checkins for the "Cypherpunks Net". For those interested, we can do key fingerprint exchanges at this time. Of course non-hams are free to listen on those frequencies (lower SSB for 7265, upper SSB for 14.335). I'd like to explore alternative communications nexi if for example the internet is down for some unforseen reason :-(. 73 de kn6cp Grady grady(a)netcom.com

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Moving Target: Warning
by Harry Shapiro 23 Apr '93

23 Apr '93

I have thought that it is a losing strategy to debate the wire tap chip on purely tech terms as I feel the NSA would have more technology up their sleve, changing the MO as we object to specific points and probally making themselves SEEM responsive to the gov/congress/Admin. First we had 40 bit key halves then we got 80-bit XORed and now: CAPSTONE: THE NEXT GENERATION, with DSS, etc... We need to make broad specturm attacks on both spef. technical points and social points. We need to say/talk to How this country was founded. We did to say Ok, NSA/FBI is right and the world has changed. But it will keep on changing... like our Founders, we need to plot a course that will hold true not for a few years but for the next two hundred. This is stuff that shouldn't be debated in private by NSA and Bill C. /harry -- Harry Shapiro habs(a)panix.com List Administrator of the Extropy Institute Mailing List Private Communication for the Extropian Community since 1991

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AT&T replacement
by George A. Gleason 23 Apr '93

23 Apr '93

In case it wasn't clear, the offer is to replace any AT&T hardware *with equivalent or better competing technology* for 25% off. -gg

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AT&T replacement offer
by George A. Gleason 23 Apr '93

23 Apr '93

Re the AT&T boycott, I'm going to put my labor where my mouth is, and offer: Replacement of any AT&T business phone system or consumer telephone product, at a discount of 25% off normal retail (essentially a nonprofit rate). On business phone systems, this includes all AT&T key systems (Merlin, Spirit, Partner, etc) and PBX (system 75 and up); and includes one year's service contract. For smaller systems, we'll install anywhere from Santa Cruz to Mendocino; for larger ones, anywhere in California depending on the job; and we'll ship user-intallable ones anywhere you like. (User-installable systems typically involve 32 or fewer phones.) For each AT&T system we remove, we send a letter to AT&T explaining why. Then when we gather up enough of them to make a decent sized pile, do some kind of publicity event with them (any suggestions?). (Or maybe simply sell the old AT&T stuff to a secondary market dealer and donate the proceeds to an appropriate organisation?) -george gleason, Integrated Signal / Switched Networks, 510-644.8085 gg(a)well.sf.ca.us

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Re: WIRETAP: boycotts
by George A. Gleason 23 Apr '93

23 Apr '93

Keep up the pressure: how about mailing to all law firms in the Bay Area to warn them not to buy AT&T phone systems since they might be getting Big Brother in the Box along with, if not now, then in some future upgrade innocently installed by a field tech. -gg

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