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by SYPHRIT＠vms.cis.pitt.edu 05 May '93

05 May '93

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MYK-78
by Arthur Abraham 05 May '93

05 May '93

4-May-93 Eric Hughes writes: >It is possiqK another set of LEEF's; that's not clear to >me, but Arthur thinks you can. Sometimes I have a bit of trouble following Eric's written syntax. This passage would make more sense if "can" was replaced by "must") >If, however, one can just change the >CV at will, one could send the LEEF's in the clear and then >immediately change the CV (session key). Now the LEEF has been sent >but the conversation makes no sense. My money is that this is >interlocked with IV generation, though. To quote myself: >[CV,checkword,L1,L2,IV] is a self-checkin+nit which means that these data items must be loaded in this order (MSB first) and must all have been properly constructed via the Skipjack algorithm, else the MYK-78 will yank on its ERROR line. To build a proper protocol, CV (= session key) and checkword would be encrypted, and to be a proper citizen, L1,L2,IV would be transmitted in the clear. The funny thing is, that after loading the "self-checking unit", and checking it, MYK-78 will still accept a different CV. I specifically had this verified. It will encrypt funny, since the CV won't properly match the rest of the loading, but it shouldn't be too hard to use this encryption mode. There are actually several ways to abuse this chip -- another obvious one is tonever power it off, and run with the first LEEF you ever get -- it just seems to cry out in masochism. A real consumer crypto chip wouldn't be this flexible. I hope to be able to say something about the true protocol for law-abiding American citizens in the near future. -a2. ps: though I will continue to post to Cypherpunks, if you wish me to read something, please send it to me directly. -a2.

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No Subject
by nobody＠soda.berkeley.edu 05 May '93

05 May '93

All: ZENGER has been around for a long time. It is connected to a long tradition and network. It will be part of the future. And it realizes the importance of crypto-systems in any _real_ underground movement. When ZENGER has decided to come above ground for their latest publication, the cypherpunks will be informed of distribution channels. Until then, keep up the fight! More to come....

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'zines
by Peter shipley 05 May '93

05 May '93

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >What is ZENGERE magazine and where can I get info on it? while we are on the subject, has anyone heard or seen "Black Ice" if so, where can one get a copy? -Pete btw: I highly recomend "Fact Sheet Five" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.2 iQBFAgUBK+dOkMhmn7GUWLLFAQEW/gF9FxVtVHKMnZqIsc6qGKjxwnXdMkuijxn3 IfUp8lhC1UZNcoWWQeaD6HgyL36gwLu4 =YZ3f -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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ADMIN: allowable use
by Nickey MacDonald 05 May '93

05 May '93

I just putting this out to test the "temperature" of the cypherpunks "waters"... I am considering posting a questionaire that I would like each cypherpunk to answer... Its not written yet, thought I do have a good idea of what I want to ask, and I suspect it would be a little lengthy (I can think of a good 10 questions, each requiring a paragraph or two to answer). My goal of the questionaire would be to see what type of people use cryptography... (Quite a simple goal... but not easily met...) I will of course make the results available to the group, and optionally the raw data (the person filling it out would have the option of not having any "written" (more than a yes or no) answer "published"). Would the majority consider this good use of cypherpunks bandwidth, or are you all too secretive? --- Nick MacDonald | NMD on IRC i6t4(a)jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca | PGP 2.1 Public key available via finger

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by rcooke＠conicit.ve 05 May '93

05 May '93

Please remove me from your list. I have limited mail space aside from other restrictions on Internet usage. Every day I call I find myself notified and fined for excess mail in my box. Robert Cooke.

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RE: Phrack Back Issues
by Paul Goggin 05 May '93

05 May '93

Anthony Gatlin <x62727g2(a)usma8.usma.edu> asks, > What is ZENGERE magazine and where can I get info on it? Never heard of it and I to would like to know. > Does anyone have back issues of Phrack and how can I get them? ftp ftp.eff.org cd pub/cud/phrack binary mget * -- R O All Comments Copyright by | Technofetisht A N Paul S. Goggin (1993) | Cypher, Cyber, Chaos V Information Broker | Ergoflux, Interzone E chaos(a)aql.gatech.edu | Carpe Diem: Stop the Clipper wiretap chip Finger account for latest _Phrack_ | Public Key: PGP and RIPEM available ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Title 18 USC 2511 and 18 USC 2703 Protected -- Monitoring Absolutely Forbidden

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Privacy and Prices of Privacy
by uni＠acs.bu.edu 05 May '93

05 May '93

ejo(a)world.std.com spoke thus: WARNING: The following post, I realize, assumes that we all agree that we should all have the right to buy and sell and take any chemicals we damn well please. In Extropians, you don't have to mention this. In the world at large, this elicits wide eyed stares, and sputtering noises of disbelief. ( I recall someone being willing to give up some privacy for 'less crack in the schools.' Sorry. Not a good enough reason to give up one whit of privacy.) End Quote. That was me. Specifically I said: I have a feeling that there are like minded people out there, people who can tolerate some violations of absolute privacy in exchange for feeling that every plane you ride on is not at risk because of some psycho, and that less coke is going to find its way to schools. But who cannot tolerate AUTHORATARIAN regimes, and practices to make these assurances. End Quote Sure, if YOU want to grow coco plants and harvest and process them for your own use, I don't have a problem with that. That's your business. If you want to process it into base, crack in effect, go ahead. I don't really have a problem with that either. Frankly I don't have a problem with the legalization of cocaine, I'm indifferent. I wouldn't use any, but I'm not going to stop anyone else from it. I am not quite libertarian enough however to support the sale of refined coke out there. I think this is a pragmatic point, based on what is practical as far as soceity goes. I WILL say that I can't support authoratarian moves to prevent it. Makeing exceptions for wiretap laws on drugdealers is bullshit. Follow the constitution at all times IMHO, no exceptions. If you can't catch em without invading privacy then they aren't enough of a public problem to worry about. To me this does NOT include drug sniffing dogs at the airport. I really am not much offended by THIS practice. Border control has been a standby for soverignty for as long as borders have been drawn. Fine. We're getting a touch out of the scope of the list however so I will finish by saying that it is entirely impossible to grant ABSOLUTE privacy, and I'm not asking for it. I just don't want to be numbered, tracked, watched, listened to when I am minding my own business in my house. uni

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Selling Pointers to Privacy
by Edward J OConnell 05 May '93

05 May '93

WARNING: The following post, I realize, assumes that we all agree that we should all have the right to buy and sell and take any chemicals we damn well please. In Extropians, you don't have to mention this. In the world at large, this elicits wide eyed stares, and sputtering noises of disbelief. ( I recall someone being willing to give up some privacy for 'less crack in the schools.' Sorry. Not a good enough reason to give up one whit of privacy.) SELLING 'OFF THE SHELF' PRIVACY TO THOSE THAT WOULD PAY FOR IT... (Providing Pointers, that is...) I've been thinking about this PGP thing. Playing with it has been a lot of fun, (The ultimate secret decoder ring!) and has made me wonder, who *needs* this kind of security that doesn't have it already? Who would pay for it? Who wouldn't care too much about the legalities? Mid to large scale drug dealers, that's who! I began to think of things I could do with off the shelf hardware and software. Ease of use is important--I don't think many drug dealers are going to want to mess around with command line interfaces--So I started playing with the idea of a voicemail/answering machine type thing, using macs with built in microphones, modems, telecom software, etc. Maybe use hypercard to create a single application with a phone book, so that they would just double click on someone's name, and talk into the microphone. Hit a button to end the message, and then hit, SEND. The hypercard stack compresses and encrypts using PGP the voice file, which is decompressed and encrypted automatically at the other end, maybe producing a blinking button with that persons name on it, and the time of the call. The interface design would be fun, actually. Asynchronous, but perhaps useful enough? (With a 1.44 modem and the 6/1 compression rate of my shareware voice recorder, it would take about 2 minutes to modem a minutes worth of message--not too bad, really.) I think it might be interesting to typeset a booklet describing how to do this, and try to sell it in the back of magazines--maybe Rolling Stones and High Times. The booklet might just be pointers to the hardware and software needed, and the few skills the client would have to acquire. You could sell the "ease of use" hypercard stack through the booklet, too. You could wait and see if the thing takes off before actually making the stack. I've also thought, that you could sell phone support to people who are trying to get this type of thing going. I'm less enthusiastic about this; it seems like this would be a good way to get busted. Of course, the legality of this hinges on the legality of PGP. I've read some stuff about the copyright infringment aspect, and have seen on Extropians, a legal action threatened against someone who was advertising PGP in a big way. Any thoughts? I'm halfway serious about this. Perhaps it could exist in the same sort of quasilegal half-life as bongs, psyloycybin spore logs, and automatic weapon conversion kits--sure, it's illegal to use this stuff I'm selling, but I'm not selling illegality...I'm just selling the stuff! First Draft of Ad: PHONE WITHOUT FEAR Did you know that personal computers can be used to communicate with others with absolute privacy? That free public domain software exists that cannot be cracked? Not even by the CIA? For plans for a user friendly, voice-mail encryption system send 10.00 money order to: Jay. Maybe. If I don't chicken out. ;-) __________________________________ Albert Einstein--"God does not play dice with the universe." Me--"No, he plays Super-Scratch-Card-Wingo (TM)

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ZENGER Magazine
by x62727g2＠usma8.USMA.EDU 05 May '93

05 May '93

What is ZENGERE magazine and where can I get info on it? Does anyone have back issues of Phrack and how can I get them? "The NSA's version of strong crypto is crypto that they have the key for." Anthony J. Gatlin |-------------------------------------| Cadet Private, Co. G-2 |PGP Public Key available on request. | United States Military Academy |-------------------------------------|

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