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Police protection
by bcox＠gmu.edu 24 May '93

24 May '93

>I'm sure lots of people could give examples of areas where "everyone" >*is* armed, and while they certainly don't rely on "the government" >(i.e., local police forces) for protection, most would agree the >situation is not desirable ... Yep. Switzerland for sure (every draft age citizen keeps an assault rifle and ammo). Similarly for most US rural states; Oregon, South Carolina, Texas and Arizona come to mind. So do shooting ranges and guns shows most anywhere. I've never felt safer than in such places, and most would say most such places are desirable, compared to say Washington DC or New York where guns have been outlawed for ages. Except for of course, those in the hands of the state and the criminals. Why in the world would you say otherwise? -- Brad Cox; bcox(a)gmu.edu; 703 968 8229 Voice 703 968 8798 Fax George Mason Program on Social and Organizational Learning

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Re: Police protection
by smb＠research.att.com 23 May '93

23 May '93

I've never felt safer than in such places, and most would say most such places are desirable, compared to say Washington DC or New York where guns have been outlawed for ages. Except for of course, those in the hands of the state and the criminals. Why in the world would you say otherwise? -- I think because he's thinking of places like Beirut, Somalia, Bosnia, and so on. You know -- places without any effective central government.

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Unix Security
by Mr. Paul Danckaert (ACS) 23 May '93

23 May '93

Hey all.. I'm writing a program to see just how secure some of this unix password security is, and I would like to know more about how the final result in the passwd file is encrypted.. where could I get such information? Thanks.. (We are going kerberos here so that should help matters some atleast.. :) Paul --- Paul Danckaert - pauld(a)umbc.edu ---------------------------------------

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Meeting: Suggest Meeting at Comdex Wednesday Afternoon
by mlshew＠dixie.com 23 May '93

23 May '93

A number of people on cypherpunks and extropians will be in Atlanta at Comdex next week, so we have an opportunity to get together. One great location would be in the Omni food court (Now the CNN Center), which is right by the World Congress Center where Comdex will be held. There are a lot of fast food places and a very large commons dining area. I'd suggest meeting, say, at 1:00 Wednesday afternoon or so, not for any formal meeting, but just to get together for a while at lunch to talk, trade keys, and so forth. (You'll have probably been there before Wednesday, as it's a convenient place to go for lunch at the convention. If you don't know which building it is by Wednesday, ask anyone anywhere around you to point you towards "The Omni" or "CNN Center" or "where CNN is", go in the building, and you can't miss the food court.) Don't forget to bring copies of your public keys, or some pieces of paper or business cards with your PGP fingerprint hash written on them.

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Dolphin Encrypt.
by J. Michael Diehl 23 May '93

23 May '93

Hi all. I just received my demo version of Dolphin Encrypt which was shamelessly advertised on this list. ;^) I haven't had much time to play with it yet, but I thought I'd post my initial reactions. BTW, I don't think I've ever received anything in such a timely manner. Good job guys. The disk came with several pages of documentation, and advertising. The docs indicate that "the encryption process relies partly on the RSA Data Security, Inc., MD5 Message Digest Algorithm." I wonder what they mean by "partly." Interestingly, a decrypt-only version is available. Apparently, a C/C++ library of functions is available for $128 with commercial licensing offered. The documentation indicates that the encryption key can be from 10 to 60 characters in length, with case NOT SIGNIFICANT. I ran the demo but didn't have time, at the moment, to really get into it, yet. The demo indicated that the package supports a script language, which seemed to be very powerfull. In fact, part of the demo was writen with the scripting language. I think this is a novel idea. The demo seemed fairly intuitive and presented all (maybe too much?) of the needed information and status indicators. This is the extent of my comments after a VERY superficial examination of the software. I will take a better look at it later this week. If there is any interest, I will write a more in depth review. ...just my $.02 worth. +-----------------------+-----------------------------+---------+ | J. Michael Diehl ;-) | I thought I was wrong once. | PGP KEY | | mdiehl(a)triton.unm.edu | But, I was mistaken. |available| | mike.diehl(a)fido.org | | Ask Me! | | (505) 299-2282 +-----------------------------+---------+ | | +------"I'm just looking for the opportunity to be -------------+ | Politically Incorrect!" <Me> | +-----If codes are outlawed, only criminals wil have codes.-----+ +----Is Big Brother in your phone? If you don't know, ask me---+

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WB: alt.whistleblower
by Eric Hughes 23 May '93

23 May '93

This is an open letter to L. Detweiler. You've been hot to trot, eager to go, and ready for action. What you have interpreted as silence from others has in some case been work. As you may recall, we were getting ready to go online two months ago, with Julf's machine as the server. Right after that, the penet controversy started and things were put on the back burner for a time. Let me review some of the arguments about the mechanisms of the alt.whistleblower newsgroup: 1. We want all postings to be anonymous. 2. That every posting be anonymous requires software intervention. 3. The software has to sit on some machine or machines, because it cannot easily be put into every posting client. 4. Someone will own these machines. 5. Whoever owns them must agree with the political goals of the service and be willing to take some heat for it. 6. This excludes most machines. 7. Whatever mechanism the servers use to connect with the net must also be reasonably proof against pressure. 8. The link between the newsgroup posting and the anonymity server was to be the group moderator's address, which in this case maps to a piece of software ratherthan a person. 9. A further desideratum is that multiple machines be able to perform the service, given the constraints of the deployed base of news software, which require (to my knowledge) a single address. 10. In order to have multiple machines be able to map to a single address, you need to involve DNS, Domain Name Service. 11. In order to use DNS, you need a primary server and some secondaries and someone with access to the primary DNS server to do maintenance. Now, I'll tell you what I've been doing. I've put a machine on the Internet in the last two months. Never having been a Unix system-level weenie before, I can say that I've learned a lot the details of batty software. This machine, because of the details of its connectivity, is not suitable as a worldwide server, but it would be suitable as a server for alt.whistleblower.ba, a Bay Area distribution version of the same. I've also gotten up to speed on DNS, and in fact, am running name service on said machine. (For all of you who want to know what this machine is, I'm not telling. There are still too many half configured things, like sendmail. I hate sendmail.) I would recommend that if you are interested in newsgroup creation that you read RFC 1036, which is the format for Usenet news messages. (RFC's are available from nic.ddn.mil via anon-ftp.) That plus knowing that anybody can create an alt group, and you'll be set. I hope you have your server system set up correctly before you proceed. The internet world has been without a whistleblower's newsgroup for many years; a delay of a few months will not matter much. Eric

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a valuable spy...
by Patrick Tufts 22 May '93

22 May '93

>From the cypherpunks mailing list, I got the following short message: From: uni(a)acs.bu.edu (Shaen Bernhardt) Date: Sat, 22 May 93 14:02:51 -0400 Ego + Espionage = Death Taking other well-known identities: Silence = Death Energy = Mass x Speed-o-Light^2 and the assumption that the energy of one's ego cannot exceed one's maximum potential energy (which has great explanatory powers re. the Limbaugh Effect). I get: Silence = Ego + Espionage <= MC^2 + Espionage solving for Espionage, Espionage >= Silence - MC^2 which raises some interesting points: 1. Espionage can be measured in existing SI units, thus 2. Espionage is a creation of the French Item 2 is supported by the following etymology espionage (es pi o nage; es p <y3> <en> <x2> <en> n <adi> azh <y1>, - nij, es <y 1> p <y3> <en> <x2> <en> n <adi> azh ) n. 1 n. the practice of spying on others. 2 n. the systematic use of spies by a government to discover the military and political secrets of other nations. Etymology: <x4> F espionnage, MF espionage, equiv. to espionn(^B er)(to) spy(deriv. of espion spy <x4> It spione <x4> Gmc; akin to G sp <adi> ahen to look out) <u6> - age - AGE Further anecdotal support - the French use an unbreakable code in most of their communications. A clear affront in the face of the government's Clipper Chip proposal that all encrypted messages must be based on a key escrow system. Of course, the French could go far to mollifying U.S. intelligence interests by supplying either their Platinum-Irridium Espionage standard, or adopting a U.S. approved cipher system. For the latter, I think the US would be happy to approve "rot13" for export. --Pat "McElwaine, without the caps"

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Re: a valuable spy...
by uni＠acs.bu.edu 22 May '93

22 May '93

Ego + Espionage = Death

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PHONECARDS
by Sandy 22 May '93

22 May '93

_________________________________________________________________ SANDY SANDFORT ssandfort(a)attmail.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eric wrote about phonecards: ". . . I *can't* get an account with them because I don't have a phone line to tie it to. There is a phone where I stay, but it's not mine. So, I'm stuck with US Splint." Au contraire, several companies offer anonymous phonecards. See my upcoming "Norman French" article in MONDO 2000, issue #10. S a n d y (arbitration volunteer) >>>>>>>> Please address e-mail to: ssandfort(a)attmail.com <<<<<<<< _________________________________________________________________

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Re: Consider "Working Assets" phone service instead of AT&T
by George A. Gleason 22 May '93

22 May '93

Yes, Working Assets buys SPRINT in bulk and re-sells it. The thing is though, they're getting it wholesale and selling it to the public at regular prices, so this slices a chunk of Sprint's profits and gives it to WA. Certainly better than giving the whole chunk to Sprint. See the thing is, someone has to run all that fiber all over the continent, and tie into something else which runs out to the rest of the world. In the 70s all of this was being developed, but by now it's pretty much in place and there probably is no economic basis to develop any new routes. So you end up with telephone pyramid scenes where each company is selling someone else's trunks. Now I want to get into local competition, and there is probably room for WA to expand that way. I may go as far as talking to them about setting up some exchanges as a joint venture. Could be interesting. -gg

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