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CDR: linux-ipsec: RSA released
by R. A. Hettinga 06 Sep '00

06 Sep '00

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CDR: US stole Codebreaking Limelight from Britain in WWII?
by Peter Wayner 06 Sep '00

06 Sep '00

According to the Daily Telegraph, the US took most of the credit for breaking Japanese codes during WWII. The paper says that Bletchley Park deserves more credit according to recently declassified papers. Only traditional British reticence kept them from claiming credit before. http://www.telegraph.co.uk:80/et?ac=003413427358635&rtmo=aq54aK9J&atmo=rrrr… Of course, the British also stood on the shoulders of the Polish..... -Peter -- -------------------------- Tune to http://www.wayner.org/books/ffa/ for information on my book on Free Software.

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CDR: ?
by We_The_People_＠webtv.net 06 Sep '00

06 Sep '00

Can you send us a anonymous remailer that will work with the toy webtv ? Sons of Liberty Militia Tim Stine 312 S. Wyomissing Ave. Shillington, Pa. 19607 U.S.A. 1-610-775-0497 We_The_People_(a)webtv.net What is a Militia ? Defenders of Liberty & Freedom, and the Constitutional Republic. Against Tyrants ! Foreign and Domestic ! Resist the United Nations New World Order, and it's Global Socialism, actually a Evil Oligarchy of the Superrich. We must Declare our Independence from the U.N. New World Order ! Or forever lose our freedom. We_Must_Resist. For_God_And_Country. The_American_Revolution_Continues !!! http://community.webtv.net/We_The_People_/SonsofLibertyMilitia

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CDR: Europe Physical Meeting - Update
by Tom Vogt 06 Sep '00

06 Sep '00

I'd like to move the date to one day later, Saturday the 30th September 2000. several people have remarked that a friday is difficult for those who can't take a day off at work or whatever. also, I think we will have enough interesting people with topics, so there will surely be no boredom. I'm continuing my search for a place to meet now, with a few rough guidelines to the number of people. from mails here and in private I judge that at least 10 people will surely attend, and possibly up to 50. I'll look for a place that will be comfortable for 10-50 people. so if you plan to fly in two dozen cypherpunks from somewhere, please give me a notice. :) that's also true for anyone who needs help with travel arrangements or a place to stay for a night or two. send a mail either to me or to the list.

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CDR: NSA Outsourcing administrative operations
by Private User 06 Sep '00

06 Sep '00

NSA IS ON A GROUNDBREAKING MISSION - [The Washington Post, F15.] Sometime next spring, according to the plan, as many as 1,000 employees of the National Security Agency in Fort Meade will begin exchanging their government dog tags for new IDs from AT&T, Computer Sciences or other technology contractors chosen to handle the NSA's conventional telecommunications and computer needs. The transfer would open a major new chapter in federal outsourcing: the turnover of full responsibility for an entire agency's "noncritical" telephone, Web and desktop computing operations to outside contractors, says Ray Bjorklund, vice president of Federal Sources. The fact that the client is the super-secretive NSA, whose headquarters was once dubbed "the Taj Mahal of eavesdropping," makes the move even more groundbreaking (although the transfer won't include NSA's code-breaking and other intelligence work). Indeed, the project's code name is Groundbreaker. It's expected to be worth at least $2 billion for the winning contracting team over the next decade, industry officials say. The figure could grow to $5 billion if the mission is expanded. NSA has chosen three teams to compete for the Groundbreaker contract, most of them among the region's biggest IT contractors. Leading the teams are AT&T's federal division, Computer Sciences and OAO. AT&T and CSC are among the nation's half-dozen largest federal IT contractors, with more than $1 billion in annual contracts. OAO had $137 million in federal IT work last year, according to Washington Technology magazine.

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CDR: Re: Treatment of subjugated people (and bagpipes)
by ocorrain＠esatclear.ie 06 Sep '00

06 Sep '00

------- Start of forwarded message ------- >Actually, St. Patrick is mostly a mythical creature constructed >from the actual Roman ruling family Patricias. Humph, said the camel... If so, did this 'actual Roman ruling family' author the works attributed (with scholarly acuuracy) to Patrick? More likely Patrick came from a romano-british family, probably an aristrocratic one. Many british chieftain families would have arrogated to themselves the name 'patrician', which was no more than a descriptive term for the gentes maiores in Rome, the Valerii, Claudii, Fabii and so on. A bit like the second names 'King' and 'Knight'. > The whole St. Patrick >chasing out the snakes is clearly a metaphor for the Roman church >killing off the pagans. >As is typical amonst the Roman church, the peasants, once suitably >under control are made to believe the destruction of the old way of >life was actually a blessing. The Romans pushed this on them until >the old ways faded into the memory hole. First off, the Church as it existed then was not the 'Roman church'. This was before the schisms and the rise of Islam, when the Christian Church was administered from distributed nodes (the Patriarchates of Byzantium, Antioch, Jerusalem, Alexandria and Rome). Secondly, your assertion about the meaning of Patrick and the snakes is dubious. I agree it is evidently a myth, but would posit a more likely source in paganism. Many Irish gods and godesses survived well into the Christian era (some even to this day) as 'saints' of the Church. While Patrick was a historical figure, the scribes may well have thought his career too dull for one of such fame, and decided to conflate several already existing myths, and add them to the story. A common practice in Hollywood these days -- a recent example is Braveheart, where the military innovations of Robert the Bruce (a Norman, just like the French-speaking Edward I, which is not mentioned) were ascribed to the medieval feminist, democratic new man William Wallace. Hagiographies are propaganda aimed at the time in which they are written. [Off topic completely here, but I read that for the last years of his life, Stalin's only reading was his own official biography... falling in love with the myth of himself, or taken in by his own deceit?] Thirdly, Patrick's conversion of the Irish was not a conquest. Nor was the conversion of much of Europe. It's very easy, from a post-religious perspective, to be nostalgic about paganism, since we understand almost nothing of it. Neo-pagan movements are generally comic, not in their internal ideas, but in the notion that they are somehow recapturing an old religion, a religion without scriptures or documents or a continuous tradition. All the best Tiarnan

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CDR: Re: Treatment of subjugated people (and bagpipes)
by ocorrain＠esatclear.ie 06 Sep '00

06 Sep '00

>> But do remember that St Patrick >> wasn't Irish at all. He was an English boy, stolen by Irish pirates >> and sold into slavery in Ireland. De-lurking briefly to correct this... St Patrick was a Romano-Briton. There were no English in Britain at the time he lauched his Irish mission. There was no English language, and certainly no English identity. The Angles, Saxons and Jutes that make up the English (an identity that only established itself when the Franco-Norman ruling dynasty in England lost its territories in France) were spread across Germany and Denmark at the time. >> But this is mostly just laziness. When Patrick didn't do what he >> was told, I'm sure that his masters made no effort to learn his >> language. They just shouted at him louder in Gaelic. Patrick would have spoken Gaelic or Latin as his first language. The Irish would have been no more difficult to understand than a Californian to a Noo Yawker. The upper echelons of Irish society may even have spoken Latin. All the best Tiarnan

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06 Sep '00

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CDR: Re: Treatment of subjugated people (and bagpipes)
by A. Melon 05 Sep '00

05 Sep '00

ocorrain(a)esatclear.ie wrote: > It's very easy, from a post-religious > perspective, to be nostalgic about paganism, since we understand almost > nothing of it. Neo-pagan movements are generally comic, not in their > internal ideas, but in the notion that they are somehow recapturing > an old religion, a religion without scriptures or documents or a > continuous tradition. Humph, said the camel... indeed! Nonsense, says religionmonger. You obviously haven't researched the pagan world to much depth. Druids, for instance, have a strong, clear line going way back, as do Wiccans. Because of persecution by the God-damned church, they spent a long time underground, but there's never been a time when they weren't active and working. *You* understand nothing of it, and never will unless you could somehow convince some group to initiate you, which is unlikely. Scriptures and documents, dear one, play no part in earth and goddess centered religions. Shamans, for instance, are called personally by their spirits, taught by the same, etc., and it's all very much a personalized experience. Experiential religions have no need of scripture -- that's the bailiwick of the later, false, paternalistic, religions of the dominator cultures.

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CDR: Re: 128-bit netscaoe v4 for bellsouth.net
by David Marshall 05 Sep '00

05 Sep '00

Sonny <wrober20(a)bellsouth.net> writes: > hello I would like to know if Netscape communictor version 4.* is > available for bellsouth.net with 128-bit encryption. Pleas Email me Is there a message hidden in these messages of blithe idiocy, possibly hidden in the typos? Maybe revealable by some odd algorithm run against a grammatically-correct version of the message?

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