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CDR: curfew
by pentz 21 Sep '00

21 Sep '00

Dear________, curfews have always been up to the parents & I don't think the city should set a curfew. I give my own kids cyrfues and if think that I should leave it up to the city then you give me 5 good reasons why! ~Rachel~

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CDR: Re: COPPA
by Matt Curtin 21 Sep '00

21 Sep '00

>>>>> "jfanonymous" == jfanonymous <jfanonymous(a)yahoo.com> writes: jfanonymous> "COPPA, AKA Children Loose their Right to Free Speech Online" jfanonymous> - ME How, exactly, is the speech of children inhibited by COPPA? -- Matt Curtin cmcurtin(a)interhack.net http://www.interhack.net/people/cmcurtin/

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CDR: Stop faxing me
by Dr. Bernard Loev 21 Sep '00

21 Sep '00

I resent receiving faxes from you arriving in the middle of the night. Remove my name from your mailing list or automated phone/fax services. They have been coming to my fax line at : 610-668-4888. Walter Loev

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CDR: Answer Re: email interception
by Scot Scot 21 Sep '00

21 Sep '00

Randy, Here's the lowdown on e-mail interception. E-mail is treated just like any other form of electronic communication. It is a privilage and not a constutitional right so it falls under: Public Law 99-508 Electronic Communications Privacy Act Updated Federal privacy clause in Omnibus Crime Control & Safe Streets Act of 1968 There are a few others of course, but these are the biggies that are brought up in the courts. "It is LEGAL to intercept electronic communications readily accessible to the general public". Now be careful with this... it is referring to frequencies that are public carriers as defined by the FCC. In a nutshell, you can not be prosecuted for recieving a private phone conversation over the lines of your speaker wires and/or another phone. Why? It was not intentional. Remember, everything legal depends on the scope of which the act was created and how the tool and/or weapon was used. Example: 1. It is legal to use a hammer to drive nails into a board 2. It is legal to use a hammer to kill someone 3. It is illegal to use a hammer to kill someone Scope: 1. You are building a picnic table 2. You are defending yourself from another using a = or > weapon. 3. You are the agressor. Remember this when intercepting electronic communication, ask yourself "in what scope am I recieving this signal" If there is no malacious intent, if you do not divulge the information you recieve and it is across a public carrier then, yes... it can be legal. However, if you go out of your way to modify a Radio Shack scanner to scan cell phone and local 900MHz frequencies... you can get yourself into a little trouble. That's why the FCC regulates the distrabution of such devices. Same thing goes for E-mail, if you accidently recieve someone elses e-mail, this was not done with malacious intent. You are not to divulge the information you recieve. Sorry I'm getting a little long winded here, just one more thing to add. The rules change however if it is in the workplace, but there are rules that the workplace has to follow. The catch is... Implied Consent and Express Consent. Implied consent: Message posted that indicates that their will be periodic electronic monitering and/or verbal warning that you may be monitored. (Can be a logon banner) Express Consent: Explicit signed permission (company policies) granting the company-employer the right to monitor communications at their discression. Remember, at work the equipment, property and the telephone lines do not belong to you. They belong to the company. If you own a business and/or are responsible for such monitoring... remember two things. 1. Get employees to sign a policy granting you Express Consent to monitor communications lines. Make it part of their in-process. Do not allow them access to your communicatoins equipment without signing the policy. Just remember to word it carefully, get the company lawyer in on the draft. 2. Never, Never, Never investigate an employee. Only a trained law enforcement officer can do an investigation. Remember... Statistical Gathering is the key. Investigating = No Statistical Gathering = Yes Remember one thing about discussing anything in terms of law. Law is not written in stone. Laws are scripted to be generic, thats why we have lawyers who make $$$ for being able to bend the sight of law into something a Judge or Jury may see. I hope I managed to answer your question Randy. If you have any thing you would like to add and/or more questions hit the RE: sK01 >From: Randy Harris <Randy(a)Dodeca.com> >To: "'cypherpunks(a)toad.com'" <cypherpunks(a)toad.com> >Subject: email interception >Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 10:10:05 -0400 > >is it illegal to intercept email.........? > >If you don't know could you direct me somewhere that has the answer..? > >R. > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

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CDR: Noah's Flood
by Tim May 21 Sep '00

21 Sep '00

A year and a half ago I read one of the most interesting, interdisciplinary books I've ever read, "Noah's Flood," by Ryan and Pitman. Not a religious book, but a book combining oceanography, geology, fish biology, pottery studies, DNA analysis, mythology, and several other fields. The big news today was the announcement that human habitation remains have been found where the Ryan and Pitman theory predicted. This has profound significance for our culture, for understanding the spread of Indo-European language, and for the apparent "diaspora" happening at around this time. (It would not surprise me if the earliest known agricultural implements are found in the next few years.) This is not a Cypherpunks topic, but I believe I've mentioned the Ryan and Pitman book here before. And it shows how science is done. To quote one of the many stories appearing today: Wednesday September 13 3:00 AM ET New Evidence of Great Flood Found By RANDOLPH E. SCHMID, Associated Press Writer WASHINGTON (AP) - The first evidence that humans lived in an area now covered by the Black Sea - perhaps inundated by the biblical flood - has been found by a team of explorers. ``Artifacts at the site are clearly well preserved, with carved wooden beams, wooden branches and stone tools,'' lead researcher Robert Ballard said. ... Columbia University researchers William Ryan and Walter Pittman speculated in their 1997 book ``Noah's Flood'' that when the European glaciers melted, about 7,000 years ago, the Mediterranean Sea overflowed into what was then a smaller freshwater lake to create the Black Sea. Last year Ballard found indications of an ancient coastline miles out from the current Black Sea coast. The new discovery provides evidence that people once lived in that now inundated region. (end excerpt) -- ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 831-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, "Cyphernomicon" | black markets, collapse of governments.

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CDR: europe physical meeting
by Tom Vogt 21 Sep '00

21 Sep '00

update on time and especially location: final time is: 30/Sep/2000, 16:00 (20000930160000) location is the Tex's Bar'b'que (or something like that - the spelling is a little odd) on Millerntorplatz 1, Hamburg, Germany. I have started a little webpage with links to maps, etc. I will be adding a couple of photos of the place to make finding it trivial. I think I will have photos roughly 24h from now. hit http://www.lemuria.org/cpunk.html for that webpage. more updates coming. if you have any questions, send me a mail.

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CDR: email interception
by Randy Harris 21 Sep '00

21 Sep '00

is it illegal to intercept email.........? If you don't know could you direct me somewhere that has the answer..? R.

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CDR: Dia Europeu sem Carros
by apoio＠giganetstore.com 21 Sep '00

21 Sep '00

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CDR: Nuevo servicio para tecnicos
by Coordinador 21 Sep '00

21 Sep '00

Hola: Un grupo de tecnicos relacionados con la industria de la construccion hemos decidido realizar un boletin distribuido por email y dirigido a los profesionales del sector con datos de obras y proyectos, productos, direcciones de proveedores y/o fabricantes, ferias, bibliografia, etc, etc. Es decir, toda la informacion, a mano, del mercado de la construccion que consideramos necesaria para realizar nuestro trabajo. El ambito de aplicacion seria para España. Tambien estamos en contacto con los Colegios Profesionales por lograr una mayor difusion del proyecto. De la cantidad de respuestas recibidas dependera la viabilidad del proyecto, por eso si le interesa, le pido nos conteste este mensaje poniendo en el subject o asunto ALTA y pasara a formar parte de la base de datos. Le mantendremos informado de los progresos en este emprendimiento, asi como la fecha de inicio del boletin, que esperamos sea en este año. Gracias por tu tiempo. --Se han omitido los acentos para evitar incompatibilidades-- *** Disculpe por este mail no Solicitado. *** Este mensaje se envía con la complacencia de la nueva legislación sobre correo electrónico: Por sección 301, parrafo (a)(2)(C) de S.1618 Bajo el decreto S.1618 titulo 3ro. Aprobado por el 105 congreso base de las normativas internacionales sobre SPAM, este E-mail no podra ser considerado SPAM mientras incluya una forma de ser removido. Para ser removido de la lista reenvie este mensaje y en el subjet, titulo o asunto escriba "BORRAR" y automaticamente sera removido para futuros mensajes. Desde ya muchas gracias por su atención. Per Section 301, Paragraph (a)(2)(C) of S. 1618, further transmissions to you by the sender of this e-mail may be stopped at NO COST to you by sending a reply to < sbastia(a)ciccp.es > with the word "BORRAR" in the subject line ___________________________________________________ Nos adherimos además a la Ley Orgánica 15/1999 del 13 de Diciembre, (Ley Española de Protección de Datos Personales) por la que puede solicitar su eliminación de las Bases de datos en las que no desea figurar (BOE 14-12-99). ___________________________________________________ Un saludo. Sergio Franco Bastianelli Coordinador del boletin INPECO ------------------------------------------------------- C/San Francisco, 57, 5º Derecha. Tel y Fax: 986 226415 36202 Vigo - Pontevedra - España. email: sfranco(a)caminos.recol.es

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CDR: -C-P- Re: would it be so much to ask.. CPUNK
by Trei, Peter 21 Sep '00

21 Sep '00

At the last go-around of this topic (how to reduce the spam problem) I proposed appending CPUNK to messages. Appending a tag has much better properties than prepending. It doesn't break sorting by subject line, it is automatically in the correct position in replies, and is generally less intrusive. All tags are ugly, but some are worse than others. I still occasionally add CPUNK to my subject lines (as I did in this message) Have we finally beaten Mr. Assymetric into silence? Peter Trei > ---------- > From: Harmon Seaver[SMTP:hseaver@harmon.arrowhead.lib.mn.us] > Reply To: Harmon Seaver > Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 11:29 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: -C-P- Re: would it be so much to ask.. > > "William H. Geiger III" wrote: > > > Subscibe to a list that filters out the CDR: from the subject as Jim has > made it clear that he is going to continue adding this to the subject > line. On the openpgp.net list the subject is: > > > > > > The problem with that, or at least openpgp.net, is that the software > also strips the header, so that you have no way to filter the toad.com > crap, and thus, the spam. > > >

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