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CDR: digsig frenzy follies
by A. Melon 28 Sep '00

28 Sep '00

The label "digital signature" for nonrefutable cryptostrong sigs is going down in flames. A DTMF pulse counts as a signature Oct 2. Tuesday September 26 09:15 PM EDT E-signatures for 30 million laptops By Ben Charny, ZDNet News Touchpad maker Synaptics Inc. will bundle digital signature software with its newest products and make updates available to existing users. Touchpad maker Synaptics Inc. has announced a deal that could create electronic signatures for more than a third of the laptops on the planet. The company said Tuesday it will begin to bundle its touchpads, which are used on roughly 40 percent of the worlds laptops, with digital signature software from Silanis Technology Inc. of Montreal. Owners of an estimated 30 million laptops that use Synaptics touchpads can also download a free version of the Silanis ApproveIt software from either the Silanis or Synaptics Web sites. The deal is one of the first of several product announcements expected prior to Oct. 1, when the Electronic Signatures in Global and National Commerce Act takes effect. The new federal law makes electronic signatures legally binding. Jupiter Communications senior analyst James Van Dyke said the deal answers a piece of the electronic signature problem, including distribution. Van Dyke said a bigger problem is the current lack of standards for electronic signature makers. "Its a good move for Synaptics, it will only cost a little and it puts them in a good position," he said. "But, we are going to be in standards hell for a while. You can feel the flames." Shipping in 2001 The first e-signature enabled touchpads will be shipped to Synaptic users such as Apple Compaq, Dell, Gateway and Hewlett Packard sometime next year, said Synaptics spokewoman Mariel Van Tatenhove. The software embeds a signature token into a document. Inside the token are the guts of a digital signature, including a time stamp and the public and private keys. It also will include a digitized version of a users handwritten signature. The signature will appear on the document. The software to be bundled on Synaptics touchpads is a stripped down version of ApproveIt, which normally allows from multiple signatures on the same document. But the bundled software will only allow for a single signature on Microsoft Word and Excel documents. The software available on the websites is called OnSign, which Synaptics introduced in July. It works for Word documents. It too only lets one signature per document. The OnSign software has been downloaded more than 65,000 times since its introduction July 5, said Silanis spokesman Mary Ellen Power. By years end, she expects more than 100,000 downloads. The site is averaging a download every two minutes, she said. http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/zd/20000926/tc/e-signatures_for_30_million_lap…

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CDR: SSZ down due to power outage
by Jim Choate 28 Sep '00

28 Sep '00

Hi, There was a power outage this morning around 10am. The dogs couldn't remember the correct password to get it back up so they had to wait until I got home. Hopefully we won't have a relapse. ____________________________________________________________________ He is able who thinks he is able. Buddha The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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CDR: visor phone vs. starium?
by A. Melon 28 Sep '00

28 Sep '00

from the clueless dept: Why would I want a PDA-phone hybrid? Why do I have the uneasy feeling the newly announced Motorola/Palm product, due in 2002, may end up combining everything Palm knows about cell phones with everything Motorola knows about personal organizers? Is it that none of the current devices even comes close to being useful for most people who already own a cell phone and a PDA? Dont take my word for it: Check out the MobilePlanet and iGO catalogs, where the latest wireless wonders are all on display. Sure, theyre cool, but are they useful? And how about those new devices that are supposed to turn Palms and Visors into cell phones? Give me a break -- Im supposed to talk into something that looks like that? How useful can the combination really be? Cool? Yes. Practical? Hardly. And $299 seems a bit steep. Is this really necessary? <snip> http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/zd/20000926/tc/keep_your_phone_off_my_palm__1.… The real issue will be power consumption vs. mips for crypto. And user interfaces.

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CDR: BOUNCE cypherpunks@einstein.ssz.com: Admin request of type /\bs ubscribe\b/i at line 3 (fwd)
by Jim Choate 28 Sep '00

28 Sep '00

____________________________________________________________________ He is able who thinks he is able. Buddha The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 19:10:54 -0500 From: owner-cypherpunks(a)ssz.com To: owner-cypherpunks(a)einstein.ssz.com Subject: BOUNCE cypherpunks(a)einstein.ssz.com: Admin request of type /\bs ubscribe\b/i at line 3 >From owner-cypherpunks(a)ssz.com Thu Sep 28 19:10:52 2000 Received: (from cpunks@localhost) by einstein.ssz.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA02106 for cypherpunks(a)ssz.com; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 19:10:51 -0500 Received: from mail.virtual-estates.net (root(a)video-collage.com [160.79.196.177]) by einstein.ssz.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA02058 for <cpunks(a)ssz.com>; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 19:10:42 -0500 Received: (from cpunks@localhost) by mail.virtual-estates.net (8.9.3+3.2W/8.9.1) id LAA28118; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:09:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: video-collage.com: Processed from queue /var/spool/mqueue-majordomo X-Authentication-Warning: video-collage.com: Processed by cpunks with -C /usr/local/majordomo/sendmail.cf Received: from hotmail.com (law-f257.hotmail.com [209.185.130.173]) by mail.virtual-estates.net (8.9.3+3.2W/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA28108 for <cypherpunks(a)algebra.com>; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:09:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Relay-IP: 209.185.130.173 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 08:10:31 -0700 Received: from 166.90.192.98 by lw1fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:10:31 GMT X-Originating-IP: [166.90.192.98] From: "Gil Hamilton" <gil_hamilton(a)hotmail.com> To: cypherpunks(a)algebra.com Old-Subject: Natural rights (was Re: Shunning, lesbians and liberty) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:10:31 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: <LAW-F257vR0WssM5sGm000063f6(a)hotmail.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Sep 2000 15:10:31.0978 (UTC) FILETIME=[3E91C8A0:01C0295E] Subject: Natural rights (was Re: Shunning, lesbians and liberty) Sampo Syreeni writes: >Actually I s ubscribe to neither view. I see rights as something that do not >naturally exist, but are purely a societal product, subject to change >through redefinition. Whether this happens because the government effects >it >or if the people start to view something as an inherent right is, to me, >immaterial. At heart, the notion of a right is a moral one; it is closely tied to the moral concepts of good and evil. These concepts are known and understood universally among members of our species. Some view them as attributes of their religious belief, but even those who aren't religious and don't think in terms of "sin" recognize the concepts. The idea of right versus wrong is clearly both natural and universal to humankind. While individuals' beliefs as to exactly which "natural rights" exist may differ, all people (save some tiny few sociopaths who must be considered "abnormal") agree on some of them. For example, if you did a poll, you'd find that pretty near 100% of people believe at some level that they have a right to protect their own lives and the lives of their family members. The limits or boundaries of that right would of course be the subject of considerable dispute. A frequent critique of libertarianism (and anarcho-capitalism) is that it advocates a law-of-the-jungle, winner-take-all society: that the strong, the wealthy and the powerful prosper while the weak, the poor and the powerless are doomed to suffering, exploitation and oppression. However, it is this idea that natural rights do not exist, that any right you have is something that can simply be taken away by "society" (in practice of course that means the government), that is the real law-of-the-jungle situation. It is saying, in effect: you have no rights except those "we" (variously defined as society or government, but it always boils down to the Men With Guns from the government) allow you. "And don't complain too loudly or we might have to take those away too" (for the chiiiiiildren, perhaps). I and most others on this list utterly reject that crap. As James Donald's .sig used to say (and maybe still does): "We have the right to defend ourselves and our property, because of the kind of animals that we are." You can't take away my right to defend myself by simply "redefining" it. And anyone who tries to do so has marked himself as one worth careful watching, or even perhaps, as Tim so often suggests, killing. - GH _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

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CDR: Shanah Tovah
by your_friends＠socialplus.com 28 Sep '00

28 Sep '00

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CDR: Confirm your request to register for eGroups
by eGroups 28 Sep '00

28 Sep '00

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by TroppoLotto 28 Sep '00

28 Sep '00

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CDR: Re: Choate physics again
by Michael Motyka 28 Sep '00

28 Sep '00

>>By the time the coherent radiation (needed to make an image) passes > >Were not talking holograms, Jimmy-boy > It is fun isn't it? I think what he was trying to convey were the effects of reflection, absortion and diffusion. Without having tried one of these devices or knowing what wavelengths they use or the characteristics of building materials at these wavelengths all I have is a gut feeling that says you'll get not so much images as locations. He's probably right about the windows being the primary vulnerability. Next time I'm at Home Debit I'm going to see if they sell more kraft paper or foil-faced insulation. Seems to me the foil is less common than it used to be. Is this a new conspiracy? Fibreglass-AG? So, if you're expecting to be raided and you don't want the fuggers to know where you are, keep the house at about 95. That should help. For about 15 seconds. If you have an illicit heat source insulate it, cool it with water and dump the heat down the drain or on the yard. Mike

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CDR: Re: Re: Shunning, lesbians and liberty
by James A.. Donald 28 Sep '00

28 Sep '00

-- At 12:30 PM 9/28/2000 +0300, Sampo A Syreeni wrote: > Oh but it is quite possible to put people in similar trouble if we > grant that the right to property is absolute - if somebody owns on a > sufficiently wide scale the basic commodities one needs to survive > in the modern world (like fresh water, farming land, employment > opportunities), others are born right in the middle of the > proverbial desert. But in a free market this never happens. It only happens when the government intervenes. Thus, for example, we only see homelessness where there is rent control, we only see hunger where there is rationing and collectivized farming, and so on and so forth. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG s73HbjvWMbd1tg8MFWdOzaptZGbTirAUo/J9znB0 45z21k4dGM6JzKt+2ys4v8idD/5gUsgceJUMrInV+

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Re: CDR: Re: Shunning, lesbians and liberty
by Duncan Frissell 28 Sep '00

28 Sep '00

At 10:43 AM 9/27/00 -0400, Sampo A Syreeni wrote: >I think it is a workable argument that it is better to have such social >rules encoded in law instead of having people come up with them at will and >imposing them on others through shunning, lynching or whatever. In theory at >least you will then know in advance whether something you have done will be >'illegal'. Besides, current law in most countries holds precisely that sort >of stuff. Probably the best Finnish example is conscript duty. (No, I'm not >saying that isn't nightmarish.) The Federal register is a US government pub that goes out every business day. Circa 1200 pages a day of published rules, regs, and other garbage. Just for the federal government not the states. No court decisions or administrative rulings in it. Just reading it to find out your orders from your rulers would take all day and would be very incomplete. But you (Americans) are bound to obey all of them on pain of fine or imprisonment. Social conventions are complex but not that complex and we are hard wired to figure those out. We're not hard wired to read thousands of pages a day of bureaucratese and figure out what it means. DCF ---- Have you read your ruler's orders today? Better start reading they're gaining on you: http://www.access.gpo.gov/su_docs/aces/fr-cont.html

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