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CDR: Fwd: Re: Niiice kitty....
by Reese 07 Oct '00

07 Oct '00

Another one, Entity 5 writes: >This is a calumny. I have personally checked hundreds, and I do mean >hundreds--probably over 500--Chomsky citations to original texts and >documents, and have never found any error that was not an obvious >typographical error, a misprint or something like that. One can always >argue about meaning and context, but the person who says that Chomsky >is a fabricator is ignorant or lying. --.sig > Entity 4 wrote: ><< this was posted on the cypherpunks list. the respondent maintains that >chomsky is well-known for misquoting or twisting quotes/sources. never >heard that come up here in all our discussions... comments? cypherpunks >is archived if you want more info. > >.sig > ><fowarded> > -- > > I've been reading Noam Chomsky's book on Kosovo and came across this > > quote from a Cabinet note written by Churchill in January 1914 > > explaining the need for increased military expenditure (taken in > > turn from Clive Ponting's Churchill, 1994, P 132): > > > > "We are not a young people with an innocent record and a scanty > > inheritance. We have engrossed to ourselves an altogether > > disproportionate share of the wealth and traffic of the world. We > > have got all we want in territory, and our claim to be left in the > > unmolested enjoyment of vast and splendid possessions, mainly > > acquired by violence, largely maintained by force, often seems less > > reasonable to others than to us." > > >Chomsky is hardly a reliable source. He routinely fabricates or falsifies >quotes. I suggest you check his alleged sources. > >Chances are you will be unable to find his alleged source. In the unlikely >event that you are able to find it, it will not say quite what Chomsky >claims it said. > > --digsig > > ></backwarded> > > > > > >>

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CDR: DNAP - EMERGING BIOTHECH COMPANY - NEWS TODAY!!
by HOTSTOCKS＠takeone.com 06 Oct '00

06 Oct '00

Dnaprint (DNAP) an emerging biotech company is invited to the prestigious European conference as one of a few emerging companys to speak. Excellent up to date infomation page (DD page) on DNAP; http://www.sockthestocks.com/profiles/dnap.htm Some facts about DNAP: 1) CEO (Dr. Tony Frudakis) Lead scientist for Corixa starts his own company a few months ago 2) Company is formed by a reverse merger of a pinksheet company 3) DNAP has already completed the accounting to get off the pinksheets and should be listed on the OTCBB soon. 4) Dr. Frudakis was responsible for a patent that sold for $54,000,000 to Smith Kline Beecham while he was at Corixa. 5) Corixa's stock has gone from 14 Cents a few years ago to 50 Dollars today. 6) According to the Barron's article, Dnaprint is in the late stages of forming strategic alliances with major companies. 8) Dnaprint in 9/25/00 issue of Barrons (pg52). Dnaprint information page; http://www.sockthestocks.com/profiles/dnap.htm This is not from a registered financial advisory, please consult with a registered investment advisor before making an investment decision. This communication (print or electronic) reflects our opinions and does not necessarily reflect those of anyone else related to the firm and may be in conflict with the views or official views of the companies mentioned. Readers are advised that this publication (print or electronic) is issued solely for informational purposes and is not to be construed as an offer to sell or the solicitation of an offer to buy. This communication is based on information available to the public. We are NOT a professional advisory service, broker, investment firm or agency. We are NOT a stock picking service. The securities profiled here are solely of our own opinion and it is not recommended that you buy, sell, or hold based on what you find here. Please continue to perform your own Due Diligence.  Any investment decisions you make should be your own predicated upon your own findings and judgments born from your own research. All images and logo's used to represent DNAPrint are registered trademarks of DNAPrint. Barrons is a registered trademark of Dow Jones & Co., Inc.

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CDR: Update: Zero-Knowledge Freedom for Mac
by R. A. Hettinga 06 Oct '00

06 Oct '00

--- begin forwarded text User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 11:06:43 -0400 Subject: Update: Zero-Knowledge Freedom for Mac From: Mark Scott <mark(a)zeroknowledge.com> To: <mac-crypto(a)vmeng.com> Sender: <mac-crypto(a)vmeng.com> Hello mac-crypto list, The following is a message I sent to our Freedom beta and "notify of release" list. It provides updated information on the development of Freedom for the Mac. Thanks for your support. ---- First of all thank you for your patience. If you are following Internet privacy in the news you have probably been reading a lot about us lately. We have been getting five star reviews in the PC world/Mag publications, as well as rave reviews from main stream media, including the Wall Street Journal, USA Today, ABC News and many others. In the coming 5-10 days we will release our Freedom 2.0 beta for Windows 95/98/2000/ME and Linux. The reason that the Linux version of Freedom is available before the Mac version is because of the amount of common code between the two platforms. Regrettably this was not the case for the Mac version. This does not mean that we are in anyway less committed, it just means that the Mac version is a greater challenge to develop from the ground up. Having just completed meetings with our Mac development team I can tell you the following: We expect to have a Mac version of Freedom for MacWorld Expo January 2001. At this time we expect this version will support OS 8.6 - 9. We expect the OS X support to follow shortly after, at this point I can't define how quickly. Because of the inherent complexities of writing code for the first release of a product in a different platform, I cannot at this point say if this will be a technology demonstration, alpha, or beta. You may rest assured however, that we are putting all our efforts in developing the Mac version as quickly as we possibly can. I am planning at participating at Macworld in January, and I look forward to meeting any of you who wish to drop by and say hello, and of course see Freedom! I will keep you informed on details as we approach Macworld. I will continue to keep you up to date, and I appreciate all the feedback I have received from Mac users from around the world. We continue to collect beta tester names, and feel free to send this link to your friends and encourage them to sign up. http://www.freedom.net/download/mac.html#betatesters If any of you have further questions or comments, please do not hesitate to contact me. Best regards -- Mark Scott Product Manager/Evangelist, Macintosh & Linux Solutions Zero-Knowledge Systems Inc. 888 Blvd. de Maisonneuve East. 6th Floor Montreal, Quebec H2L 4S8 514-286-2636 ext. 2075 mark(a)zeroknowledge.com http://www.zeroknowledge.com PGP Fingerprint: B7D6 B1E7 92A1 022F 89DE 7CCF 4CA0 5329 41D4 235B --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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CDR: delete this judge
by anonymous＠openpgp.net 06 Oct '00

06 Oct '00

from /. "According to The New York Times (free registration required, for those who care about such things), a prominent judge recently wrote an article saying that the delete key should actually delete things, not just hide them away where lawyers and skilled computer geeks can get at them years later. Specifically, he proposes that a statute of limitations be imposed upon electronic messages--that, for example, an obnoxious email you send today could be held against you for six months and six months only." ... The judges original paper is http://www.greenbag.org/Rosenbaum/rosenbaum.pdf linked off of The Green Bag.

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CDR: delete this judge
by anonymous＠openpgp.net 06 Oct '00

06 Oct '00

from /. "According to The New York Times (free registration required, for those who care about such things), a prominent judge recently wrote an article saying that the delete key should actually delete things, not just hide them away where lawyers and skilled computer geeks can get at them years later. Specifically, he proposes that a statute of limitations be imposed upon electronic messages--that, for example, an obnoxious email you send today could be held against you for six months and six months only." ... The judges original paper is http://www.greenbag.org/ linked off of The Green Bag.

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CDR: Democrats on "hate crimes" in Defense Department bill
by Declan McCullagh 06 Oct '00

06 Oct '00

NEWS FROM THE HOUSE DEMOCRATIC LEADER FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE House Democratic Leader Richard A. Gephardt October 6, 2000 H-204, U.S. Capitol http://democraticleader.gov/ Gephardt Statement on Hate Crimes and Other Pending Legislation "In the last 24 hours, we've had three pieces of evidence that the Republican leadership is not interested in acting on the priorities of the American people. In a flurry of legislative maneuvering, Republicans have taken strong, sensible, bipartisan bills and they have tried to kill those bills by putting forward weak, watered-down versions that do nothing for the American people. "Last night, Republican conferees took a bipartisan, sensible hate crimes bill and they eliminated it from the Department of Defense Authorization bill. Republicans seem determined to file a DOD bill that is stripped of hate crimes, and their actions in the last 24 hours are an affront not only to the American people, but to a clear majority in the Congress. "Republicans defied the will of both Houses of Congress, denied the American people a strong, sensible bill that would have given law enforcement officers the enhanced tools they need to deal with horrible hate crimes, and they prevented the country from sending a strong signal that we as a society will not tolerate crimes committed against people simply because of who they are. "This is a bipartisan bill. The President has supported it for years, the American people support it in overwhelming numbers, and both the House and the Senate have voted in bipartisan fashion to include hate crimes in the Department of Defense Authorization bill. "I will continue to fight with Senator Daschle, President Clinton, and with my colleagues and all Americans who support this common-sense law, and I still hope that we can pass this bill this year and accomplish something meaningful for the American people. "Now, we've also had two other pieces of news in the last 24 hours that points to a pattern; and, sadly, the story with re-importation and with a Patients' Bill of Rights is similar to hate crimes. First, I am deeply disappointed that the Republican leadership has decided to defy the will of the American people and short-circuit a bipartisan effort to craft effective re-importation legislation that might have lowered drug prices for millions of Americans. Instead, Republicans went behind closed doors and came up with an ineffective, partisan half-measure that serves the needs of the pharmaceutical companies at the expense of the American people. "The Republican measure is full of loopholes that will allow pharmaceutical companies to get around the new law. It also sunsets after 5 years, so even if seniors did begin to see lower drug prices as a result of this bill, that benefit will not last. Republicans have once again chosen the side of special interests over the people. Democrats believe that all seniors should have permanent, reliable help with the high costs of prescription drugs, and we support effective, permanent re-importation legislation as a step in that direction. But the most important way to give seniors the help they need is to enact an affordable, reliable, universal Medicare prescription benefit. Republicans have blocked that measure, refusing, even, to let us bring it up on the floor for a vote. Their action on re-importation seems designed to distract us from the much larger issues at hand. "I am just as troubled by a last-minute effort on a Patients' Bill of Rights. Here, once again, they have decided to abandon a bipartisan bill and to seek political cover instead. Today, Republicans proposed a weak Patients' Bill of Rights that fails to give patients the protections they need from their HMO companies. The real Patients' Bill of Rights passed the House one year ago tomorrow by a strong bipartisan margin, and it remains the only bill that will actually do something meaningful for millions of Americans. "Democrats will continue to fight for good, common-sense, bipartisan bills that the American people want and that bipartisan majorities in Congress support: hate crimes--a strong Patients Bill of Rights-permanent re-importation legislation-and a Medicare prescription benefit that will be always be there for seniors. We will continue to work with all our colleagues to accomplish something meaningful in the few short days we have left." ##### Contact: Laura Nichols/Sue Harvey (202) 225-0100

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CDR: Gores teens and drugs
by anonymous＠openpgp.net 06 Oct '00

06 Oct '00

>4:24 PM 10/3/95 > > >Tipper Gore says daughter knows she did wrong > >Tipper Gore said Tuesday her 16-year-old daughter, cited for underage >drinking last week, "knows she >made a very serious mistake." "She broke our rules and she broke the law. >Shes extremely miserable >and unhappy, I can tell you that," Mrs. Gore, wife of Vice President Al >Gore, said of daughter Sarah. >The teen-ager was cited Friday in suburban Montgomery County, Md., after a >police officer saw her >with an open beer outside a party. Now, Mrs. Gore said, "We are dealing >with it privately as a family >and talking to her like all families should to their teenagers about the >availability of alcohol and the fact >the temptations are out there." > >

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CDR: Ölscheichs oder Schröder ?
by netad＠srv.netad.ch 06 Oct '00

06 Oct '00

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CDR: Important Membership Information
by announce＠inbox.nytimes.com 06 Oct '00

06 Oct '00

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CDR: Re: Niiice kitty....
by snit 06 Oct '00

06 Oct '00

>It would take you years to check five hundred Chomsky citations. His >citations are at best obscure and hard to find, at worst impossible to find. look, digslug, Justin Schwartz is an oxford-trained, yale-trained scholar, now a lawyer with the seventh circuit. he doesn't type things on a publicly accessible listserv where he can easily be quoted and humiliated for saying foolish things since the major new york papers monitor it for political gossip. the man who typed that, justin schwartz, has written and published more than you've typed on usenet so you ought to just STFU&STFD because your attempts to crawl out of the gutter where you seem to happily luxuriate in the scum, grime and waste are embarrassing. the examples you provide never come up with the goods--demonstrate that sources are untraceable, etc. your unpublished dissertation, i take it? it will remain unpublished. slop like that doesn't past the muster. unless you're enrolled in Sally Struther's University, of course. snit

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