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Re: Public Key Infrastructure: An Artifact...
by Lynn.Wheeler＠firstdata.com 25 Nov '00

25 Nov '00

public keys can be used to provide some degree of trust propogation w/o the problems associated with shared secrets ... independent of key-exchange for session confidentiality. certificates were designed to provide for offline trust propogation (i.e. trusted 3rd party generating paper credentials in the days of sailing ships ... for things like letters of credit). two possible online scenerios for online trust propogation was online domain name infrastructure providing public key as part of online hostname resolution response ... and licensing/certification agencies providing public key as part of a trust lookup. Trust propogation also works going from highly authenticated environment ... which might register a public key with a relying party; to a quickly authenticated environment remote, non-face-to-face transactions with digital signature (the digital signature would be a mathematical encapsulation of the authentication business process that occured as part of public key registeration) . Asymmetric algorithms have some advantages over traditional shared-secret algorithms in that there can be lower maintenence expense at the relying party (i.e. security exposure associated with divulging a shared secret). random refs: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000f.html#1 http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000f.html#3 John Kelsey <kelsey.j(a)ix.netcom.com> on 11/24/2000 12:59:42 PM

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by Marjan 25 Nov '00

25 Nov '00

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- a.. To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com b.. Subject: How to enter the US without a visa? c.. From: jamesd(a)echeque.com d.. Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 22:31:10 -0800 e.. Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is somewhat off topic for cypherpunks, but alt.forgery is dead, so cypherpunks is probably the nearest group. Suppose (hypothetically) an American resident cypherpunk had a hypothetical friend who is most unlikely to obtain an American visa.

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CDR: Welcome to PriusMods
by PriusMods Moderator 25 Nov '00

25 Nov '00

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CDR: RE: Jim Bell arrested documents online (fwd)
by Carskadden, Rush 24 Nov '00

24 Nov '00

Amen. And as an additional claim of bullshit, to say that corporations, and in turn the people of the industrial world, are not controlled by government is to completely deny the fact that the federal government is partly designed to, and spends most of it's energy on, regulating commerce. Read this: http://www.libertyhaven.com/regulationandpropertyrights/bankingmoneyorfinanc e/reforminggov.shtml And while you are at it, you may want to check out a few government sites: http://www.fcc.gov (my least fave) http://www.usdoj.gov/ http://www.fbi.gov/ http://www.federalreserve.gov/ http://www.nsa.gov/ http://www.faa.gov/ http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/ http://www.fra.dot.gov/welcome.html http://www.hcfa.gov/ That's just a few (the most egregious offenders in poor regulation), but if you want more, I can send them to you. I'm not saying corporations do not exert control over our everyday lives. My point is, as much as I too like William Gibson, and as much as I was hoping Nader would get his requisite percentage of the popular vote and stir up some trouble, corporations simply do not run things by themselves. The government does far more to control us (and just generally piss in our rice crispies) than corporations. Gauranteed. ok, Rush -----Original Message----- From: Jim Choate [mailto:ravage@einstein.ssz.com] Sent: Friday, November 24, 2000 3:21 PM To: cypherpunks(a)einstein.ssz.com Subject: Re: Jim Bell arrested documents online (fwd) At 09:58 PM 11/23/00 -0500, Anonymous wrote: >Apparently because businesses do not use guns. > >They are missing the fact that majority of people never encounter/use >guns in their life, and that the principal way of behavioural control >is propaganda/ideology. Most of the people in the industrial world are >directly and tightly controlled by corporations, not governments. Bullshit on all points. If you don't believe businesses don't use guns then you should check around. Hell, my local grocery has an armed guard at the front entrance when it's open (and other times I suspect). Tell this to your local mid-level drug dealer. Most people encounter a gun at least daily within say 50 ft. of their person, thought they may not be aware of it or individualy handle it. Most people, industrial country or not, are controlled by the beliefs they hold and what they believe is acceptable. Corporations and governments are as much a victim of this as the individual is. ____________________________________________________________________ He is able who thinks he is able. Buddha The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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CDR: RE: Golden Rice [ /. ]
by Carskadden, Rush 24 Nov '00

24 Nov '00

Oh, you mean INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY. Ok then, I'm with ya. ok, Rush -----Original Message----- From: Jim Choate [mailto:ravage@einstein.ssz.com] Sent: Friday, November 24, 2000 3:01 PM To: cypherpunks(a)einstein.ssz.com Cc: The Club Inferno; austin-cpunks(a)einstein.ssz.com; sci-tech(a)einstein.ssz.com Subject: Golden Rice [ /. ] An interesting aspect of IP and meatspace reality over on, http://slashdot.org My view, destroy IP. ____________________________________________________________________ He is able who thinks he is able. Buddha The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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CDR: Reviews February 1997
by Jim Choate 24 Nov '00

24 Nov '00

http://www.securitymanagement.com/library/000310.html -- ____________________________________________________________________ He is able who thinks he is able. Buddha The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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CDR: (no subject)
by KOUNTRY7＠gateway.net 24 Nov '00

24 Nov '00

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CDR: Re: Jim Bell arrested documents online (fwd)
by Jim Choate 24 Nov '00

24 Nov '00

At 09:58 PM 11/23/00 -0500, Anonymous wrote: >Apparently because businesses do not use guns. > >They are missing the fact that majority of people never encounter/use >guns in their life, and that the principal way of behavioural control >is propaganda/ideology. Most of the people in the industrial world are >directly and tightly controlled by corporations, not governments. Bullshit on all points. If you don't believe businesses don't use guns then you should check around. Hell, my local grocery has an armed guard at the front entrance when it's open (and other times I suspect). Tell this to your local mid-level drug dealer. Most people encounter a gun at least daily within say 50 ft. of their person, thought they may not be aware of it or individualy handle it. Most people, industrial country or not, are controlled by the beliefs they hold and what they believe is acceptable. Corporations and governments are as much a victim of this as the individual is. ____________________________________________________________________ He is able who thinks he is able. Buddha The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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CDR: Golden Rice [ /. ]
by Jim Choate 24 Nov '00

24 Nov '00

An interesting aspect of IP and meatspace reality over on, http://slashdot.org My view, destroy IP. ____________________________________________________________________ He is able who thinks he is able. Buddha The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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CDR: Re: Jim Bell arrested,
by No User 24 Nov '00

24 Nov '00

Good, bad, or whatever -- you ain't never going to put this genie back in the bottle. The AP meme is dispersed across the globe, it's only a matter of time now.

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