- cypherpunks-legacy - lists.cpunks.org

CDR: german copyright fascism CD tax
by anonymous＠openpgp.net 27 Nov '00

27 Nov '00

HP to pay antipiracy fee for CD burners FRANKFURT, Germany (AP) Computer giant Hewlett-Packard has become the first company to be snagged by a German law requiring firms to pay fees for making CD burners that are being used to illegally lift the latest hits off the World Wide Web. The case sets the stage for other European countries to possibly adopt similar rules to stem an epidemic that cost the music industry an estimated $5 billion last year. But analysts blasted the agreement reached Thursday as another example of Germanys notorious thatch of regulations. http://www.usatoday.com/life/cyber/tech/review/crh737.htm

1 0

CDR: RE: On 60" tonight
by Trei, Peter 27 Nov '00

27 Nov '00

60" Sixty seconds? Is that a real quickie version of 60' (Sixty minutes? Notation counts (watch This Is Spinal Tap for another amusing example of this type of goof-up). Peter Trei > ---------- > From: George@orwellian.org[SMTP:George@orwellian.org] > Reply To: George(a)orwellian.org > Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2000 6:32 PM > To: cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net > Subject: On 60" tonight > > My on-screen guide said "FISA", tvguide.com says, > "Mike Wallace looks at one couple's claim that > they were set up by the FBI and wrongly convicted of espionage." >

2 1

CDR: Re: Jim Bell arrested documents online
by Anonymous 27 Nov '00

27 Nov '00

>Anyway, the distinction between business and politics is less clear than >you make out - or seems less clear to many people in countries outside >America. In most places the government is in the pockets of the people >with the money - and in most places presidents and governors are quick This is a part of official mythology that very few americans escape. I also noticed seemingly intelligent people bending their brains to explain how something that business does is less evil than the same thing done by government. Apparently because businesses do not use guns. They are missing the fact that majority of people never encounter/use guns in their life, and that the principal way of behavioural control is propaganda/ideology. Most of the people in the industrial world are directly and tightly controlled by corporations, not governments. I have seen people that fear their bosses/corporate policies/landlords/ creditors more than they ever feared government - simply because they never had to deal with government on adverse terms. Their lives are not shaped by governments - business does that. That is the reality. But corporations did a great job of propping up the government as the target for frustration, and it shows. Long time ago I read a story about the guy whose job was to be fired: a company would screw up something, and the guy was hired, presented to be the company exec, and then humiliated and fired in front of the customer. Sounds familiar ?

4 6

CDR: ICANN new TLDs
by Tom Vogt 27 Nov '00

27 Nov '00

the best article on this shame/scam I've found so far: http://www.heise.de/tp/english/inhalt/te/4347/1.html contrary to most of the other stuff, this one doesn't concentrate on how ridiculous .museum is, but rather on the actual proceedings and on how ICANN came up with whatever they came up with.

1 0

None
by cyrus amirmomtahan 27 Nov '00

27 Nov '00

please email re: email remote interception

1 0

CDR: Re: Public Key Infrastructure: An Artifact...
by Lynn.Wheeler＠firstdata.com 27 Nov '00

27 Nov '00

Basically cetificates are an implementation of R/O partial replicated distributed data that were intended to address availability of information in a predominately offline environment. In the SSL server certificates, distribution of CRLs tend to create a problem for consumers because they aren't likely to want to see 99.99999999999999999999% of the CRLs distributed and/or they aren't online at the time the CRLs are distributed (and/or if done via email would create a horrible spam issue ... every possible consumer in the world receiving email CRLs from every possile SSL server certificate issuing CA). The other solution is to go online and do real-time checks ... but doing real-time checks invalidates basic design decision trade-offs associated with choosing a R/O partial replicated distributed data implementation in the first place. A number of other efforts have looked at the trade-offs associated with large distributed data implementations and have made various different implementation decisions based on different criteria & requirements. Some of the partially replicated data implementations have gone to the trouble if 1) truely offline, R/O replicated data that has low change frequency, and possible adverse effects of dealing with stale data is non-existent or 2) support R/W partial replicated distributed data with various dictionary implemenations keeping track of the "current" R/W owner. However, in the case of both having R/O replicated distributed data and also requiring online access ... creates a situation where the R/O replicated distributed data implementation is redundant and superfulous (except in some scenerios where the packet of R/O replicated distributed data is significantly larger than the transaction to check on its staleness ... aka multi-megabyte documents might be an example). It isn't that you can't have perfect R/O replicated distributed data implementation if there is also concurrent real-time access to the original data ... but that usually invalidates the design decisions trade-offs that justified having a R/O replicated distributed data implemenation in the first place. The degree of redundancy and superfulous becomes more significant as outlined in the SSL server certificate case ... where 1) in large part SSL server certificates are justified to address integrity weaknesses in the domain name infrastructure, 2) SSL server certificate issuing agencies are dependent on the domain name infrastructure as the authoritative source associated with proofing information for issuing an SSL server certificate, 3) correcting integrity weaknesses in the domain name infrastructure (needed by the SSL server certrificate issuing agencies) by registering public keys with domains names, 4) said registered public keys can both a) eliminate integrity weaknesses justifying SSL server certificates and b) be distributed as part of domain name server real time request to the client ... which then can be used in a much more efficient SSL protocol implemenation. A possibly better phrase is that in a large number of cases revokation isn't practical w/o real-time access to the original data ... but real-time access to the original data obsoletes the need for revokation (by obsoleting the necessity for R/O partial data replication which might require revokation). The issue in many scenerios isn't that revokation can't work ... it can work if you have real time access to the original data ... which obsoletes the requirement for R/O partial data replication which in turn obsoletes the requirement for revoking R/O partial data replication. The ideal solution for revokation is somehting of a catch-22 ... the ideal solution for revokation also removes the requirement for revokation (somewhat analogous to the catch-22 for solving the problem that SSL server certificate issuing agencies have with domain name server infrastructure integrity issues ... the solution is also the seed for obsoleting the need for issuing SSL server certificates). Mark Scherling <mscherling(a)xcert.com> on 11/23/2000 09:24:51 AM

2 1

CDR: Giving the Devil the Benefit of Law (was: RE: Jim Bell arrested d ocuments online)
by Trei, Peter 27 Nov '00

27 Nov '00

I really find AP depressing. I find the arguments that it would only be used against 'those that needed killing' faulty, in that everyone has a different list. There are a lot of folk who would put crypto anarchists on their list (as well as, say, Major League Baseball umpires :-). "Law", and 'legal systems', when they operate correctly, do provide a brake on unpredictable and arbitrary violence. There is no question that they can be, and are, severely misused by the rich and powerful to their own ends. But not all the time, and not in all cases. Reading this thread makes me remember on of my favorite dramatic scenes: >From "A Man for all Seasons" by Robert Bolt. Sir Thomas More, a lawyer. Alice: His wife. Margaret: His daughter. Roper: His son-in-law. They are discussing a man whom they regard as suspicious: Margaret: "Father, the man is bad." More: "There's no law against that." Roper: "There is a law against it. God's law." More: "Then God can arrest him." Roper: "Sophistication upon sophistication!" More: "No. Sheer simplicity. The law, Roper, the law. I know what's legal, but I don't always know what's right. And I'm sticking with what's legal. Roper: "Then you set man's law against God's?" More: "No. Far below. But let me draw your attention to a fact. I am not God. The currents and eddies of right and wrong, which you find such plain sailing, I can't navigate. I'm no voyager. But in the thickets of the law, there I am a forester. I doubt if there's a man alive who could follow me there, thank God." Alice: "While you talk, he is gone." More: "And go he should, if he was the Devil himself, until he broke the law." Roper: "So now you'd give the Devil the benefit of law!" More: "Yes. What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get to the Devil?" Roper: "I'd cut down every law in England to do that!" More: "Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned round on you -- where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat. This country's planted thick with laws from coast to coast -- man's laws, not God's -- and if you cut them down -- and you're just the man to do it -- do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of the law, for my own safety's sake." ------------------- There are too many Ropers on this list. Peter

1 0

CDR: [Fwd: CyberPatrol - poor credit card protection (fwd)]
by sunder 27 Nov '00

27 Nov '00

1 0

CDR: Re: Jim Bell arrested documents online
by No User 27 Nov '00

27 Nov '00

Ken Brown wrote: > Fewer cops get killed that way - 17 in the last 35 years I think. The > USA can lose that many in a bad summer. In a good summer they lose a lot more.

1 0

CDR: More WOMD madness in Washington, DC
by Declan McCullagh 27 Nov '00

27 Nov '00

Advisory Panel to Assess Preparedness for Incidents Involving Weapons of Mass +Destruction (Terrorism Panel) Seventh meeting to finalize its second annual report due December 14 on key components of a domestic terrorism strategy, November 27-28. Location: RAND Headquarters, 1200 South Hayes St., Arlington, VA. 1 p.m. Contact: Mike Wermuth, 703-413-1100, +http://www.rand.org/organization/nsrd/terrpanel, or Mark Miner, 804-692-3110, http://www.thedigitaldominium.com

1 0