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Re: Knowing your customer
by Nomen Nescio 08 Dec '00

08 Dec '00

Tom Vogt wrote: > I guess an equivalent ID will do. in germany, you need your ID card to > open a bank account (um, for those not in the know: we have state-issue > ID cards in addition to passports. the passport is a travel document, > used to visit non-EU countries. the ID card is used inside the EU and > for national purposes (identification, mostly). you are NOT required to > have it with you all the time or somesuch, but some activities, such as > opening a bank account, require an ID card. driving license or other > documents will do in many cases, but I think not for bank accounts). How often must your ID card be renewed? What information does it (or the ID database) contain that a German passport does not?

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Denmark, update on Echelon
by Bo Elkjaer 08 Dec '00

08 Dec '00

Hi Just a short notice on the Echelon-discussion in Denmark The danish parliament Folketinget has declined to aid the EU committee which is investigating Echelon. The EU committee formally contacted the head of the parliaments permanent select committee for controlling the intelligence-services -- in danish: kontroludvalget for efterretningstjenesterne -- asking for information regarding parliamentary control with the danish intelligence services. No confidential information was asked for. Just the basic info on how the select committee works. The head of the committee, Thor Pedersen from the liberal party Venstre declined to aid the EU committee. He did this without informing the select committee or the parliament. This caused some uproar when we disclosed his doings in Ekstra Bladet, but later the decision has been upheld at a meeting in the select committee. Complaints have now been filed against Thor Pedersen. This means that Denmark is one of only two EU-countries parliaments have declined to help the EU committee: The other declining parliament is the british. No other EU countries have stepped aside. Indeed they have been rather helpful with the EU committee. Thor Pedersens decision has infuriated the members of EU-parliament Lone Dybkjaer, (party: Det Radikale Venstre, married to our prime minister) and Torben Lund, (party: Socialdemokratiet, which is the governing party in Denmark) Both are members of the EU committee, and both have declared they have no doubt Echelon exists. Meanwhile, the danish signals intelligence-service Forsvarets Efterretningstjeneste is continuing to upgrade their equipment. The SIGINT-site at Skibsbylejren has been equipped with three satellite dishes, all 18 meters across. There are plans to erect further three dishes of the same size. The dishes are solely planned for interceptions. According to building plans a radius around the area must be cleared of all electronic emissions, including cell phone towers and welding equipment. Also tall buildings will be prohibited in the area around the 30 meters tall radomes containing the dishes. Yours Bo Elkjaer, Denmark EOT

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An Internet Bearer Bibliography
by R. A. Hettinga 08 Dec '00

08 Dec '00

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 3:13 PM -0600 on 12/7/00, Somebody wrote: > I have enjoyed your contributions to the cypherpunks mailing list, >and have noticed that you are very knowledgeable, particularly about the >subject of anonymous digital currency. I was hoping that, if you have an >opportunity, you could provide me with a list of published works you >recommend for gaining more knowledge about the concepts behind anonymous >digital currency and it's associated problems. I have referenced your >web sites, and I am working may way through your Geodesic Economy >writings. >Any other sources you recommend would be very helpful. Thank you. What a very nice thing to say. Cool. Fan mail. There are lots more people on cypherpunks, the above lists, and other places, who know way more about both finance and crypto than I do. However, I do try to make it up in enthusiasm, if not quality... I've bashed out bibliographies for people before, and this one may be different, but here's something to start out with. Probably I'd start out with Schneier's Applied Cryptography, making a beeline for the digital cash section. I've heard that the pros now use the CRC handbook of crypto, but this is the one I read first, when it came out in 1994 or so. It's the closest thing cypherpunks have to a Boy Scout Handbook. Then, I'd go to the Springer-Verlag site and order all the proceedings of the Financial Cryptography conferences since 1997. That, in theory, should back up all the grandiose claims I make in the Geodesic Economy articles on the IBUC site. Or, at least, I wave my hands in their general direction... Having read those, you now know everything I pretend know about cryptography, financial or other. :-). Then, I'd get a good history of money. My favorite these days is Gwynn Davies', um, "A History of Money". It's a marvellous tome of everything money. After that, I'd go get some finance in my head. The following stuff is dated, and there may be better, but it's what I ended up reading back then, and, at the very least, some of them are good pointers to more recent stuff. In the pre-Amazon days, I'd say go to a good college bookstore to find them, but now, we know better, right? :-). First off, I'd start with "Capital Ideas", a nice, and completely verbal, history of the rise of modern financial theory, from about 10 years ago, written by one of the premier academic editors in finance. After that, I'd get Fabbozzi's Fixed Income Mathematics, a small book as Fabbozzi's books go, but packed with lots of geeky finance formulae to turn into code, and what they all mean. Then, for fun, and so I had something to discuss with grey-haired guys in suits, I'd read Graham and Dodd's "The Intellegent Investor", sort of the principia (non-)mathematica of value investing, still relevant three-quarters of a century after it's writing, the touchstone of people like Warren Buffett. Finally, I'd go read what an MBA knows :-), and get Sharpe's "Investments" and follow it up with Brealey and Meyers' "Corporate Finance". For politics, I'd go read David Freidman, son of Milton, well-known law-and-economic professor and anarcho-capitalist. "The Machinery of Freedom" is a good start, because his thesis there is that we really don't need the nation-state for much. It's a pre-crypto book, 1970-something, and now that we think we know how to get there from here, it's a good idea to read a serious modern treatment of anarchy without 19th century pictures of swarthy European-Americans throwing bombs at guys in spats. In that vein, I'd also take a look at "Njall's Saga", an Icelandic saga about a, um, turn of the last-millenium multi-generation blood-feud :-), (the Penguin version is a good one), for a nice non-state governance example. And, of course, there's Vernor Vinge's story "The Ungoverned" for a more modern take on the same. The final political book is, Hayek's 50-year-old, and completely prescient, classic "The Road to Serfdom". Hayek's a good place to stop, because he's also a gateway to the so-called "Austrian" economists, like von Mises, who, while disdaining what they called "scientism" -- over-reliance on mathematical economics -- also believed, quite strenuously, in private currency. Hayek's arch-nemesis Keynes, of course, never saw a nation-state he didn't like, and thought that private currency should be illegal... There. How's that? Cheers, RAH Cheers, RAH -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use <http://www.pgp.com> iQEVAwUBOjAQdcUCGwxmWcHhAQGvcgf/df+6qd5JOx/p8HLtIKZTmw04IWbv8OgR PLxlHB6fZfl2ms/UmtxcYo1EgpxlkRYIcpOzQ52YUv1JMTVJYaBi0vV46ZKUy4yo Bbgad71czy39h0UY66a/tlUWDDoOLQMmlSSfgWgzNAx0qX5g0ntvU4QjeNXBXxeH hJEMfx0maHavMKFGbliIYiptliHDTTs9j++/dbW80fY9F9fpEb7qXqW8JVTQoZFs R3ymtE7VMB50BQMa+u5/H4RJ7OgGJGLIc1uPD2WaIa5XduT34UmtO7uXL3y5VF57 DE/xVxaGjA28+ZhFH0WNqe5yW95s42ZCptaEY1oUzSTG2yC+jmCzlg== =IquT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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Re: nambla
by Joel M Fulton 08 Dec '00

08 Dec '00

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Ranks Of Privacy 'Pragmatists' Are Growing
by Anonymous 07 Dec '00

07 Dec '00

By Mary Mosquera, TechWeb News Dec 7, 2000 (6:02 AM) URL: http://www.techweb.com/wire/story/TWB20001207S0002 WASHINGTON -- The issue of privacy is growing increasingly complex as Americans express concern over abuse of their personal data -- yet still support institutions that handle their information. In a new survey of privacy and protection, an inevitable paradox emerges: While most Americans support the free flow of information from public records, they are concerned about their privacy in some instances when personal information is extracted from those records, a recent survey showed. Consumers are accepting that commercial companies supply background information on them from public records. Still, they said, it must be for a valid social or legal purpose, such as for employment or law enforcement. And protections against misuse must be in place, according to the survey, Public Records and the Responsible Use of Information. More Americans are concerned about privacy than in the past, but they take a more balanced view now, said Alan Westin, president of Privacy and American Business, which conducted the survey with ORC International. "More of those now registering concern fall into 'privacy pragmatist' rather than the 'privacy fundamentalist' camp," Westin said. That more balanced outlook contributes to the broad support for commercial access to personal information from public records. And the focus on information gathering over the Internet by millions of Net users has fostered consumers accepting commercial access to their information, Westin said. How to balance good privacy policies and social values served by disseminating public-record information is an important issue in an era when abuse of that information, especially over the Internet, has led to fraud and identity theft. The 1,000 adults surveyed found it acceptable if companies provided personal information for law enforcement, such as past or present fraudulent conduct or criminal convictions, or for hiring. Using public records to locate a current residence or work address was the least acceptable service, unless it was for law enforcement, potential employers, or consumer credit companies. Those polled thought it acceptable, but less so, for private investigators and ordinary citizens to access public records for background and location information, the report said. Consumers strongly oppose the government posting personally identified public information on the Internet. "However, opposition fades when specific safeguards are introduced," the report said. Safeguards included the government requiring the consent of the individual before displaying a public record file on the Internet and demanding a specific, legitimate purpose from a user before allowing their access. "Sensitive personal information, such as Social Security numbers or medical conditions, were removed prior to displaying the public record on the Internet," the report said. The sale of Social Security numbers over the Internet is a source of privacy abuse and identity theft. "Regulating the purchase and sale of Social Security numbers over the Internet won't come overnight," said Ron Plesser, a partner at Piper Marbury Rudnick & Wolfe, Washington. "It's a challenge for industry how to use Social Security numbers properly."

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UK Govt seeks to capture and store everything for 7 years
by Adam Langley 07 Dec '00

07 Dec '00

There is an Observer artical at: http://www.observer.co.uk//uk_news/story/0,6903,406191,00.html The leaked report refered to is at: http://cryptome.org/ncis-carnivore.htm Choate: There's no need to post the whole thing to the list now. AGL -- In an orderly world, there's always a place for the disorderly.

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Zionist Entity Tactical Laser Fizzles
by Eric Cordian 07 Dec '00

07 Dec '00

It appears that the tactical chemical laser the US has been hoping to deploy to protect the Zionist Entity from rockets launched by Hezbollah guerrillas in southern Lebanon is, in the words of its developers, "not ready for action." http://www.newsday.com/ap/text/international/ap796.htm According to the defense department blurb on the system, called THEL (http://www.smdc.army.mil/FactSheets/THEL.html) the system employs deuterium fluoride as the lasing medium. Since deuterium is somewhat more expensive to produce than ordinary hydrogen, one wonders why the system has been designed to work with deuterium. Is it because the government does not want fuel for it to be easily produced, should the design fall into enemy hands. Or is there some engineering advantage to using deuterium? Does excited deuterium fluoride have some wonderful spectral line in exactly the right place, that pedestrian hydrogen fluoride does not? Any chemical or nuclear engineers here who could answer the question of why deuterium is more desirable? -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"

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gut instincts experts can offer customer-attracting tips at your meeting
by Kareand＠aol.com 07 Dec '00

07 Dec '00

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openpgp.net down?
by Harmon Seaver 07 Dec '00

07 Dec '00

Anybody know what happened to openpgp.net? I haven't had a cpunks post since last night.

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About 5yr. log retention
by Jim Choate 07 Dec '00

07 Dec '00

There is an article over on Drudge's site. The quote with respect to 5 year retention was supposedly made by the US Justice Dept. Wonder what they were refering too... ____________________________________________________________________ Before a larger group can see the virtue of an idea, a smaller group must first understand it. "Stranger Suns" George Zebrowski The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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