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21 Jun '01

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RE: Slashdot | Phoenix BIOS Phones Home?
by Trei, Peter 21 Jun '01

21 Jun '01

Jim: You really don't have a good memory, do you? We dealt with this topic just 3 weeks ago. Check for the thread 'BIOS Spying' around June 1. At that time I said: --------------- Looking at this, there appears to be smoke without fire. It looks like they don't gather much in the way of data unless you download and install software via phoenixnet. At worst, it's going to reset your homepage once, and you'll pop onto it the first time you start your browser. It's not even clear that this happens without asking. What we really have here is Phoenix abusing it's power over BIOS content to pre-install an app without asking you. Barring further evidence of nefarious activity, we've all got much worse stuff to worry about. The operative quote for this list may be: "The question is not 'Are you paranoid?'. Its: 'Are you paranoid enough?'" (Cadigan). That doesn't mean, however, that it's impossible to be to be *too* paranoid. Peter Trei --------------- To further expliain, this is no worse than Netscape or IE starting with their default home pages. Also, if you to install a non-Microsoft OS, the canned app in the BIOS can do absolutely nothing. > ---------- > From: Jim Choate[SMTP:ravage@einstein.ssz.com] > > http://slashdot.org/yro/01/06/19/2039216.shtml > -- > The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate > Peter Trei

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RE: Slashdot | Phoenix BIOS Phones Home?
by Paul E. Robichaux 21 Jun '01

21 Jun '01

Well, where I come from this is useful functionality! In combination with a feature called RIS (remote installation service) in Windows 2000, you can create a library of canned machine images and blast them out to machines over the network. One of our major customers has cut the time necessary to replace a failed machine down to about 15 minutes: plug in the new machine, hit F12 during boot to trigger PXE, lay down the image received from the RIS server, user logs in, and voila! As much as you & I may not like it, in many corporate environments the computer should be no more personalized than the telephone. No one gets emotionally attached to their telephone, and replacing it is a trivial affair-- all the speed dial numbers, voice mail, and so on is stored in a central box. So it is becoming with PCs. As a side note, none of this is even remotely new. Microsoft & Intel, plus their partners, have been pushing variations of this theme for almost 10 years now. My favorite feature is the one that sends a network yell for help via SNMP when someone opens the lid on a machine. > -----Original Message----- > From: Ray Dillinger [mailto:bear@sonic.net] > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 10:52 AM > Cc: cypherpunks(a)einstein.ssz.com > Subject: RE: Slashdot | Phoenix BIOS Phones Home? > > On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Trei, Peter wrote: > > > >To further expliain, this is no worse than Netscape or IE > >starting with their default home pages. Also, if you to > >install a non-Microsoft OS, the canned app in the BIOS > >can do absolutely nothing. > > This is not quite true. Search on their site for the acronym > "PXE" -- it stands for "Preboot eXtension Environment". > > I went and hunted on Pheonix's website and came across some > interesting things: Aside from the preboot extension environment, > which allows apps made by pheonix to run on your hardware before > an operating system loads or in the absence of a functioning > OS, there is a remote-boot facility, a capability for remote > lockout of input from the local user, acess to the machine > hardware (including disks, by physical sector and track > addressing), etc. They claim it's part of an "Intel's > initiative" to make machines "Universally Manageable and > Universally Managed." > > Most of this crap appears to require access to the local ethernet > to perform -- it's not a TCP/IP issue until someone uses TCP/IP > to subvert another machine on the same local ethernet segment - > but from there it looks like they can pretty much do whatever > the hell they want with a machine, including remotely flashing > the BIOS with new applications for the preboot environment - > meaning if they figure out that you're running linux filesystems, > they can just change their sector accesses to compensate and get > into your files with a preboot extension. Slick, huh? Or they > can remotely install an operating system of their choice over > the network. > > Relevant search phrases to turn up a lot of scary shit: > "Universally manageable and Universally managed". > "Wired for Management" > > > The particular URL that I'm taking this particular paranoia trip > on: (It's a pretty long document, look toward the bottom) > > http://www.phoenix.com/PlatSS/pcplatforms/desktop/PBfeatures.pdf > > Got a new system with a pheonix BIOS? Congratulations!! Your > machine may be among the "universally manageable and universally > managed." Isn't that special? > > Bear

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RE: Don't report getting squirted by a kid, go to jail.
by Paul E. Robichaux 21 Jun '01

21 Jun '01

First hint: there's no notfauna.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon Beets [mailto:Jon.Beets@pacer.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 11:41 AM > To: cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net > Subject: Re: Don't report getting squirted by a kid, go to jail. > > I went to that link and read the entire article and I have some real > doubts > to its accuracy.... > > Jon Beets > Pacer Communications

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Re: Cryptobox (was Re: Edupage, June 20, 2001)
by Jim Choate 21 Jun '01

21 Jun '01

Tell them to stop as it already exists, get Plan 9. http://plan9.bell-labs.com On Thu, 21 Jun 2001, R. A. Hettinga wrote: > At 5:08 PM -0600 on 6/20/01, EDUCAUSE wrote: > > > > PRIVATE LIFE > > Researchers at Ottawa University are developing Cryptobox, a > > program that encrypts e-mail, instant messages, and other Internet > > communications. The program works by sending transmissions over > > a peer-to-peer network, scrambling each end of the transmission > > with an encryption code and hiding it underneath a stream of junk > > traffic. The system automatically decodes the transmissions once > > they reach their destinations. The researchers have already > > tested Cryptobox in a network of 40 real and 200 virtual clients > > and report that the test succeeded. Independent researchers are > > skeptical, however. Richard Clayton, a computer scientist at > > Cambridge University, noted, "It's unclear whether they can make > > this work and keep it stable in the real world with millions of > > systems." The program could, if successful on a large scale, > > solve one of the main security vulnerabilities of the Internet. > > Currently, e-mails, instant messages, and many other transmissions > > can be easily intercepted by those with access to key areas of a > > network. > > (New Scientist Online, 18 June 2001) > > -- > ----------------- > R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> > The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> > 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA > "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, > [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to > experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > The Cryptography Mailing List > Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe cryptography" to majordomo(a)wasabisystems.com > -- ____________________________________________________________________ "...where annual election ends, tyranny begins;" Thomas Jefferson & Samuel Adams The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: Solaris Opera
by Jim Windle 21 Jun '01

21 Jun '01

On Thu, 21 Jun 2001 16:30:39 Trei, Peter wrote: : >- twice >I've >accidentally flipped to TV onto subtitled Russian movies partway through, >gotten >fascinated by the film, only to later find that it was by Tartovsky (Andrei >Rublyov, >Ivan's Childhood). I also strongly reccomend Solaris and especially Stalker. > I picked up Solaris a number of years ago at Tower Records where it was on sale for something like $5. Definitely worthwhile. I have never seen "Stalker" though I suppose now I will have to make the effort to do so. >Tartovsky's not for everyone though. Things happen slowly. Tartovsky's films >make '2001' seem like 'Raders of the lost ark'. > Yea, it took me a while to get into it, but once I did the movie is almost mesmerizing. Jim Windle Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com

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Re: Solaris Opera
by Jim Windle 21 Jun '01

21 Jun '01

-- On Fri, 22 Jun 2001 00:23:37 Eugene.Leitl wrote: > >It's not a Russian movie, it's a Tarkovski movie The movie is in Russian and Trakovski was a Russian and still lived in the USSR when the movie was made I beleive. > a story by Stanislaw Lem). a novel actually >Another highlight is "Stalker", covering a (even better) story by the very >wonderful Strugazki Bros. > I have not seen "Stalker" it but given that recommendation and Tarkovski's reputation I am going to look for it in the video store. Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com

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RE: Solaris Opera
by Trei, Peter 21 Jun '01

21 Jun '01

> Jim Windle[SMTP:jim_windle@eudoramail.com] wrote: > > On Thu, 21 Jun 2001 10:44:06 Trei, Peter wrote: > > >.... and here I was thinking that someone (perhaps Glass?) had written an > > >opera based on Lem's book.... > > > There is a Russian movie of "Solaris" which is weird but interesting. An > opera though, that definitely sounds like Philip Glass. After writing > "Nixon > in China" and "The Death of Klinghoffer" maybe someone could interest > John Adams in the Jim Bell trial. > > Jim Windle > Andrei Tartovsky directed Solaris. He's one of my favorite directors - twice I've accidentally flipped to TV onto subtitled Russian movies partway through, gotten fascinated by the film, only to later find that it was by Tartovsky (Andrei Rublyov, Ivan's Childhood). I also strongly reccomend Solaris and especially Stalker. Tartovsky's not for everyone though. Things happen slowly. Tartovsky's films make '2001' seem like 'Raders of the lost ark'. Peter Trei

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Car rental company tracks customer
by A. Melon 21 Jun '01

21 Jun '01

In a case that could help set the bar for the amount of privacy drivers of rental cars can expect, a Connecticut man is suing a local rental company, Acme Rent-a-Car, after it used GPS (Global Positioning System) technology to track him and then fined him $450 for speeding three times. [...] http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2778752,00.html?chkpt=zdhpnew…

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RE: Solaris Opera
by Jim Windle 21 Jun '01

21 Jun '01

On Thu, 21 Jun 2001 10:44:06 Trei, Peter wrote: > >.... and here I was thinking that someone (perhaps Glass?) had written an >opera based on Lem's book.... > There is a Russian movie of "Solaris" which is weird but interesting. An opera though, that definitely sounds like Philip Glass. After writing "Nixon in China" and "The Death of Klinghoffer" maybe someone could interest John Adams in the Jim Bell trial. Jim Windle Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com

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