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Re: The Art of Submarine Warfare
by George＠Orwellian.Org 22 Jun '01

22 Jun '01

# Subject: Re: The Art of Submarine Warfare # Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 16:11:35 -0700 # From: Eric Murray <ericm(a)lne.com> # To: cypherpunks(a)lne.com # # There's no cpunks mail in the queue at lne. # If you're still subscribed (there's no # "George(a)Orwellian.Org" in the subscriber list but # I assume that's not the address you receive # mail at) then it went out to wherever you are or # to a site that MXd for you. I received the above via my subscription route, which is cyberpass.net. Sub name is cypherpunks(a)Orwellian.Org. So, three emails were dropped, to me at least. That is, they didn't make it from lne thru cyberpass. The above one did make it.

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by Stephanie Key 22 Jun '01

22 Jun '01

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TREAT AS URGENT CONFIDENTIAL
by kwami kojo 22 Jun '01

22 Jun '01

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Dropped Traffic
by Jim Choate 22 Jun '01

22 Jun '01

I've received no significant bounces or other problems. I'm currently feeding on the backbone: minder.net openpgp.net algebra.com pro-dns.net Problematic Feeds (ie they were working but not now): htp.org (retired) cyberpass.net (was getting DNS and bounces, is it ok now?) koeln.ccc.de (Bounce Baby Bounce, it is ok now or really a dodo?) lne.com (ISP has Open Relay filtering enabled, so much for free speech) If anyone wants me to add them on the backbone please reply privately. And what happened to the Canadian and Indian cypherpunks lists? Is there any real interest/objection to subscribing say SSZ to the lists so their traffic gets carried over? Are there any active participants in either list currently subscribed to the CDR? Looking for bright active persons to host even more CDR nodes!!! Start yours today. A global enterprise. (How come Sealand doesn't host a node?) -- ____________________________________________________________________ Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent. Ludwig Wittgenstein The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Slashdot | Judge Sues ISP for Poor Service
by Jim Choate 22 Jun '01

22 Jun '01

http://slashdot.org/articles/01/06/22/237251.shtml -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent. Ludwig Wittgenstein The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Two Countries, One City (A civil libertarian/anarcho-capitalist challenge?)
by mmotyka＠lsil.com 22 Jun '01

22 Jun '01

> > http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101010611/fcities.html > > James Choate > Oddly enough, this topic came up at home this morning over coffee and pastries on the front porch with someone from a similarly troubled country. Even more oddly, we were in agreement. Want to begin improving the lives of poor people around the world? For starters it seems to me that everywhere the Spanish colonized is royally fucked-up. Family planning will do more to ease the suffering and improve the lot of the poor than a whole grand canyon full of pious, chanting padres. As for the "civil libertarian/anarcho-capitalist challenge" the poor in these areas ( Mexico, SA, Philippines ) barely have resources to feed their children and don't have the energy or the will to think about political philosophy and realization through technology. That is the domain of their masters, the well-off. Mike

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OPT: Re: crypto flaw in secure mail standards (fwd)
by Jim Choate 22 Jun '01

22 Jun '01

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: 22 Jun 2001 18:40:09 -0000 From: lcs Mixmaster Remailer <mix(a)anon.lcs.mit.edu> To: cryptography(a)wasabisystems.com Subject: Re: crypto flaw in secure mail standards Don Davis writes, > All current secure-mail standards have a > significant cryptographic flaw. There are several standard > ways to send and read secure e-mail. The most well-known > secure mail systems are PGP and S/MIME. All current public- > key-based secure-mail standards have this flaw. Here are some > examples of the flaw in action: > > Suppose Alice and Bob are business partners, and are setting > up a deal together. Suppose Alice decides to call off the > deal, so she sends Bob a secure-mail message: "The deal is off." The only thing protected in a signed message is that portion signed. Alice needs to say, "Bob, the deal is off." Actually this is not enough. Suppose Alice sends this, or equivalently suppose we use an encryption scheme similar to what David Hopwood describes where the inner signed portion includes the outer key. There can still be trouble. Suppose at some later time Alice and Bob negotiate a new contract, and Bob wants to get out of it. He pulls out this old message of Alice's and stamps a new date on it, claiming that it was with regard to their new contract negotiation. He says that Alice withdrew from the contract so he is not liable for any penalties. Again the problem is that only what is signed is protected. If the date is not signed, it is not protected. So the protocol has to include the date in the signature. (Actually I think most email encryption protocols do this, but the point is that the formal description of what is signed may not show that.) Only what is signed is protected. Even the date may not be enough. Suppose Alice and Bob are separately negotiating two different contracts, using a threaded mail reader which uses Reply-To: or some similar fields in the mail header so that exchanges with regard to one contract are shown separately from exchanges with regard to the other. Then Alice might send, "Bob, the deal is off," including a date in the signature, and expect it to apply just to the deal being negotiated in that thread, because that's how her mail software shows it. However Bob can take the message and claim that it applied to the other thread. In this case, other context that was in the minds of Alice and Bob is not being covered by the signature. This is really the general form of the issue being discussed. What is in the minds of the participants, what assumptions are they making that are not being written down? This is why we have lawyers and contracts and fine print. These institutions and practices are the result of centuries of people weaseling out of contracts in various ways. It is mistaken to think that we can solve this problem by a little cryptographic legerdemain involving copying a field from the outer encryption envelope into the inner signature. That does not begin to cover all of the things that can go wrong. The only real solution is to use the advice and experience of the legal system when negotiating a contract which will bind the parties. Make sure everything is written down and sign a document which is as clear, specific and free of ambiguity as possible. It's not a cryptographic issue, and failures of this kind are not cryptographic failures. Cryptography can't read the minds of the parties involved and know that all of their assumptions are included in the signed portion. The real solution is for the communicants to take the responsibility to put everything there that is needed. Only what is signed is protected. --------------------------------------------------------------------- The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe cryptography" to majordomo(a)wasabisystems.com

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22 Jun '01

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Slashdot | @Home Cuts Newsgroups Due to DMCA Complaints
by Jim Choate 22 Jun '01

22 Jun '01

http://slashdot.org/yro/01/06/22/006203.shtml -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent. Ludwig Wittgenstein The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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I WAS SICK OF BEING FAT!!
by tigger6000＠icytundra.com 22 Jun '01

22 Jun '01

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