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Iran and Iraq has a common enemy: Jews
by Markku Saarelainen 02 Jul '01

02 Jul '01

Iran and Iraq has a common enemy: Jews ...... I believe that Iran and Iraq should unite against Jews and attack ... Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com

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by Multex Investor 02 Jul '01

02 Jul '01

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Re: Automated DB searches and the 1st
by David Honig 02 Jul '01

02 Jul '01

At 09:13 AM 7/2/01 -0500, Jim Choate wrote: > Amendment IV > >The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and >effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, >and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or >affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the >persons or things to be seized. > > >I contend that to run an automated search on a face taken by a >surveillance camera requires probable cause on each of the faces searched. >That there might be a criminal in a crowd is not sufficient probable cause >to run searches on all persons in the crowd. It violates their 'personal >security'. The counter to this perspective is that its been considered 'reasonable' to look at someone's face (in the optical) for a long time. It is not considered 'reasonable' (ergo, not constitutional in the US) to ask folks to remove their camoflage and attire, so the IVth protects citizens. Wear the groucho glasses as a protest. Whether active or passive observation using extra-optical radiation is a 'search' is currently a hot topic. (Passive, and typically civilian, observation includes checking out folks' underwear using IR sensitive cameras; Pol/mil observation includes active mm & xray irradiation and reception, and the recently disallowed passive IR observation of homes.) Would face-surveillance cams that snarfed IR and got your facial blood vessel patterns be unreasonably searching?

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My friend in Kremlin Tightens Grip on Gazprom
by Markku Saarelainen 02 Jul '01

02 Jul '01

http://www.funet.fi/pub/culture/russian/voices/realaudio/international.ra Kremlin Tightens Grip on Gazprom By Anna Raff Staff Writer The government grabbed control of Gazprom at a annual shareholders meeting Friday by securing a majority on the board of directors, a move that sets the stage for rapid and long-awaited reforms at the unwieldy gas giant. Government officials won six out of the 11 seats on Gazprom's board. Three seats went to company management, while Burkhard Bergmann, vice president of Germany's Ruhrgas, kept his seat, as did Boris Fyodorov, the outspoken representative of minority shareholders. The meeting also voted to effectively hand the government the power to fire the Gazprom chief executive, amending company bylaws to require only a simple board majority to force the CEO's departure. A unanimous board vote was previously required. http://www.themoscowtimes.com/stories/2001/07/02/001.html Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com

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RE: Banned Research and Raids on "Secret Labs"
by David Honig 02 Jul '01

02 Jul '01

At 11:00 AM 7/2/01 -0400, Trei, Peter wrote: >> >Cloning is far from a perfected technology - dozens of embryos are started >for >each one that comes to term, Actually this is true for most artificial fertilization techniques ---that's why they implant multiple embroyos, they expect a few to die. and many that are born have severe defects and >die young. A lot that don't die young are pretty darn unhealthy in various >ways. Of course, this is true for natural conception, where a lot of embroyos are resorbed, probably because they're fatal mutants. >The State has problems (heck - I have problems too!) with applying this >technology at a point in development where *most* of the resulting people >are likely to have severe physical and mental defects. Unlike animals, >you can't just slaughter the ones that don't work out. Bingo. >OTOH, the fact the State chose to stop a religious organization brings >chilling memories of Waco - "Is your religion FDA approved?". Yes. My earlier comments on just how wacky the religion is was not meant to minimize the fed visit. >then I have no problem with human cloning. Until then, I'd rather people >did not try it (though, unlike the State, I would not stop them). Agreed. Query: So if you were on the jury of a kid suing his rogue cloners for his defects, how would you decide? Would the religious aspect affect your judgement of liability? Criminal and/or civil liability? Can grown kids sue if they find their mother drank/smoke/snorted/etc and had reason to believe this bad?

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Re: Banned Research and Raids on "Secret Labs"
by David Honig 02 Jul '01

02 Jul '01

At 09:59 AM 7/2/01 +0300, Sampo Syreeni wrote: >It would be fairly interesting to hear what those health risks are. If they Fucked up babies (manufacturing defective State property). I wonder what the error threshold was for using in-vitro on Louise Brown (IIRC) when that was first tried.

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Thought-A-Day
by Fountain Of Joy 02 Jul '01

02 Jul '01

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Crypto Quotations (fwd)
by Jim Choate 02 Jul '01

02 Jul '01

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RE: Misc
by Trei, Peter 02 Jul '01

02 Jul '01

> From: George@Orwellian.Org[SMTP:George@Orwellian.Org] [...] > Found a lot of weird stuff while searching. > [...] > The Unix Haters Handbook > http://catalog.com/hopkins/unix-haters/login.html > [...] > I've got a copy of the book - it's actually a fairly well-written critique of Un*x worship (pre-Linux). It's worth reading to get some perspective (and no, it's not pro-MS either - it's idea of a competing OS is VMS). Peter Trei

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RE: Banned Research and Raids on "Secret Labs"
by Trei, Peter 02 Jul '01

02 Jul '01

> From: Sampo Syreeni[SMTP:decoy@iki.fi] > > > On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, Tim May wrote: > > >Despite warnings from scientists who say such practices are fraught with > >potential health risks, some Raelians have built a secret U.S. laboratory > >and vowed to create the first human clone this year. > > It would be fairly interesting to hear what those health risks are. If > they > refer to risks to the people doing the experiments, I can't see any beyond > what normal parenting would bring. If they instead refer to the babies > being > born/built, then we're seeing one serious extension of the concept of > "unborn babies". The GE scare has religious morality, ignorance and fear > of > the unknown written all over it. > Cloning is far from a perfected technology - dozens of embryos are started for each one that comes to term, and many that are born have severe defects and die young. A lot that don't die young are pretty darn unhealthy in various ways. The State has problems (heck - I have problems too!) with applying this technology at a point in development where *most* of the resulting people are likely to have severe physical and mental defects. Unlike animals, you can't just slaughter the ones that don't work out. OTOH, the fact the State chose to stop a religious organization brings chilling memories of Waco - "Is your religion FDA approved?". A lot of the rhetoric seems to be on the level of 'this is just soooo creepy'. It's worth remembering that the boundary of what's acceptable moves - back in the 60's Britain banned cornea transplants from cadavers, essentially for creepyness reasons (since repealed). When cloning has a high success rate, and embryos which are going to have problems after birth can be identified and culled at an early stage, then I have no problem with human cloning. Until then, I'd rather people did not try it (though, unlike the State, I would not stop them). Peter Trei

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