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04 Jul '01

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Side effect of allowing car agencies to fine for speed violations
by Jim Choate 04 Jul '01

04 Jul '01

Assume Tim's point is valid, that the owner of a vehicle may 'fine' a 'borrower' of their property for violations of the owners intent (eg follow the public speed laws). Since I own my private vehicle then I have the 'right by owner' to give myself amnesty for any speeding violations I might commit. -- ____________________________________________________________________ Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent. Ludwig Wittgenstein The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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IP: Celebrating the Fourth
by David Farber 04 Jul '01

04 Jul '01

>To: David Farber <dave(a)farber.net> >From: Whitfield Diffie <whitfield.diffie(a)sun.com> > > Tuesday 3 July 2001 at 17h45 > > In 1994, I sent the following message to the Cypherpunks" > > From: whitfield.diffie(a)Eng.Sun.COM > To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com > Subject: Celebrating the 4th > Date: Fri, 1 Jul 1994 at 13h01 > > On the 4th of July 1993, I walked out of my house and saw my > neighbor's flag flying from the porch. I thought: ``I have no flag > to fly; how shall I celebrate Independence Day?'' I went back > inside and got Gunther's Casebook in Constitutional Law. At > breakfast, I re-read the Constitution. A practice I recommend to > all of you. > > I subsequently acquired online copies of the Constitution, and the > even more appropriate Declaration of Independence from Danny Weitzner > at EFF. Plain TeX copies are attached below, separated by a > --- cut here --- line. > (snip) > >(It seemed corny but I couldn't figure out how to improve on it since it >was true.) Today the Constitution and the Declaration are readily >available on the web and still worth reading once a year. > > Whit For archives see: http://www.interesting-people.org/ --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' --------------------------------------------------------------------- The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe cryptography" to majordomo(a)wasabisystems.com -- ____________________________________________________________________ Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent. Ludwig Wittgenstein The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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IP: Celebrating the Fourth
by David Farber 04 Jul '01

04 Jul '01

>To: David Farber <dave(a)farber.net> >From: Whitfield Diffie <whitfield.diffie(a)sun.com> > > Tuesday 3 July 2001 at 17h45 > > In 1994, I sent the following message to the Cypherpunks" > > From: whitfield.diffie(a)Eng.Sun.COM > To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com > Subject: Celebrating the 4th > Date: Fri, 1 Jul 1994 at 13h01 > > On the 4th of July 1993, I walked out of my house and saw my > neighbor's flag flying from the porch. I thought: ``I have no flag > to fly; how shall I celebrate Independence Day?'' I went back > inside and got Gunther's Casebook in Constitutional Law. At > breakfast, I re-read the Constitution. A practice I recommend to > all of you. > > I subsequently acquired online copies of the Constitution, and the > even more appropriate Declaration of Independence from Danny Weitzner > at EFF. Plain TeX copies are attached below, separated by a > --- cut here --- line. > (snip) > >(It seemed corny but I couldn't figure out how to improve on it since it >was true.) Today the Constitution and the Declaration are readily >available on the web and still worth reading once a year. > > Whit For archives see: http://www.interesting-people.org/ --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' --------------------------------------------------------------------- The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe cryptography" to majordomo(a)wasabisystems.com -- ____________________________________________________________________ Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent. Ludwig Wittgenstein The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Prying Eyes
by A. Melon 03 Jul '01

03 Jul '01

About what I thought --- there was talk on the cpunks list about using paintball guns to blind cameras such as those down in Tampa being used by the cops to scan everybody looking for people with outstanding warrants, but I'd think it would be difficult. Also it was suggested to use RC blimps with spray guns, a much better idea, I'd think. Also not so noticeable as pulling out a paint gun in public and blazing away, which might get you arrested. Or shot. A blimp could be easily controlled w/o anyone knowing who. It might even be made to just look like a bunch of mulitcolored ballons that escaped, complete with dangling strings. > > How accurate are paint ball guns? > > Not great. The ATS full auto gun I have is much better than the average > semi-auto, especially with the autosizer (paint from different > manufacturers comes in slightly different sizes which has a big effect > on accuracy). > > But even still, its not like shooting even a pellet gun - more like any > old daisy single pump. You can hit a fedex box at 30 ft pretty easy - > but you're just lobbing a paint ball - < 300fps, big fat wobbly thing, > frustrating really.

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IP: Celebrating the Fourth (fwd)
by Jim Choate 03 Jul '01

03 Jul '01

Happy 4'th! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 21:43:33 -0400 From: "R. A. Hettinga" <rah(a)shipwright.com> To: Digital Bearer Settlement List <dbs(a)philodox.com>, dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu, e$(a)vmeng.com, cryptography(a)wasabisystems.com Subject: IP: Celebrating the Fourth --- begin forwarded text

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Matt -- we must protest when "our side" errs
by Richard Stevens 03 Jul '01

03 Jul '01

Dear Colleagues, The July 2001 Issue of NRA's America's First Freedom magazine featured a cover picture of John Ashcroft and highlighted the story of Ashcroft's letter indicating that "the Constitution protects the private ownership of firearms for lawful purposes." The magazine (at pp. 35-37) exults in the reversal of Justice Department policy on the Second Amendment. That's great. On page 37, the NRA reprints Ashcroft's letter -- as though it were *in full* -- but omits the footnote that exists in Ashcroft's actual letter. As you know, Ashcroft also said in that footnote in his letter that the Constitution "does not prohibit Congress from enacting laws restricting firearms ownership for compelling state interests, such as prohibiting firearms ownership by convicted felons." The NRA omitted a key element of Ashcroft's position - -- and then published the letter as though it were complete. That omission is a terrible distortion -- and seriously damages NRA's credibility with those of us who know the whole truth. What else might the NRA choose to omit, where the omission serves a PR purpose? Are their reports from the UN correct? Their reports about lobbying efforts and the positions taken by NRA-backed candidates? I wonder who at the NRA thought it was a good idea to distort the facts, and conceal the somewhat negative truth, just to advance the appearance of NRA success? That's the conduct we came to expect from HCI & Co. ... now it has infected the NRA. Members like me should demand the NRA publish an accounting of this mistake, fire the person who made the mistake, apologize and repent from such conduct. - --Richard Stevens (my personal views only) ********************************************************************** **** Subscribe to Freematt's Alerts: Pro-Individual Rights Issues Send a blank message to: freematt(a)coil.com with the words subscribe FA on the subject line. List is private and moderated (7-30 messages per week) Matthew Gaylor, (614) 313-5722 ICQ: 106212065 Archived at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fa/ ********************************************************************** **** -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use <http://www.pgp.com> iQA/AwUBO2VEUBj6oMyeDxZoEQKwzACgtgENpYvs3Oz6LEf2b04MDO6LMGUAmgPm FTy4IcWnLsgciXWgV25+IeDS =NOgR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------_=_NextPart_001_01C118EA.706C6390 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META NAME="Generator" CONTENT="MS Exchange Server version 5.5.2653.12"> <TITLE>RE: General Ashcroft make his move</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I get the NRA's American Rifleman magazine. The July issue also has an article about Ashcroft's letter, which does not quote the rather lengthy footnote. However, it does contain a legible image of BOTH pages of the letter, including the ENTIRE text of the footnote. This is hardly the action of an organization bent on distorting Ashcroft's view on the Second Amendment. Stupid editing on the part of the America's First Freedom team, perhaps, but not an organization-wide conspiracy. Jonathan Wienke - -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Gaylor [<A HREF="mailto:freematt@coil.com">mailto:freematt@coil.com</A>] Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 12:01 PM To: George(a)Orwellian.Org Cc: cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net Subject: Re: General Ashcroft make his move [Note from Matthew Gaylor:  Richard Stevens is author of the recent book "Dial 911 and Die" published by the Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.   <A HREF="http://www.jpfo.org" TARGET="_blank">http://www.jpfo.org</A> ] Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 16:00:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Stevens <dial911book(a)yahoo.com> Subject: Matt -- we must protest when "our side" errs To: Matthew Gaylor <freematt(a)coil.com> Dear Colleagues, The July 2001 Issue of NRA's America's First Freedom magazine featured a cover picture of John Ashcroft and highlighted the story of Ashcroft's letter indicating that "the Constitution protects the private ownership of firearms for lawful purposes."  The magazine (at pp. 35-37) exults in the reversal of Justice Department policy on the Second Amendment. That's great.  On page 37, the NRA reprints Ashcroft's letter -- as though it were *in full* -- but omits the footnote that exists in Ashcroft's actual letter. As you know, Ashcroft also said in that footnote in his letter that the Constitution "does not prohibit Congress from enacting laws restricting firearms ownership for compelling state interests, such as prohibiting firearms ownership by convicted felons." The NRA omitted a key element of Ashcroft's position - -- and then published the letter as though it were complete. That omission is a terrible distortion -- and seriously damages NRA's credibility with those of us who know the whole truth.  What else might the NRA choose to omit, where the omission serves a PR purpose?  Are their reports from the UN correct? Their reports about lobbying efforts and the positions taken by NRA-backed candidates? I wonder who at the NRA thought it was a good idea to distort the facts, and conceal the somewhat negative truth, just to advance the appearance of NRA success? That's the conduct we came to expect from HCI & Co. ... now it has infected the NRA. Members like me should demand the NRA publish an accounting of this mistake, fire the person who made the mistake, apologize and repent from such conduct. - --Richard Stevens (my personal views only) ********************************************************************** **** Subscribe to Freematt's Alerts: Pro-Individual Rights Issues Send a blank message to: freematt(a)coil.com with the words subscribe FA on the subject line. 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Matt -- we must protest when "our side" errs
by Richard Stevens 03 Jul '01

03 Jul '01

Dear Colleagues, The July 2001 Issue of NRA's America's First Freedom magazine featured a cover picture of John Ashcroft and highlighted the story of Ashcroft's letter indicating that "the Constitution protects the private ownership of firearms for lawful purposes." The magazine (at pp. 35-37) exults in the reversal of Justice Department policy on the Second Amendment. That's great. On page 37, the NRA reprints Ashcroft's letter -- as though it were *in full* -- but omits the footnote that exists in Ashcroft's actual letter. As you know, Ashcroft also said in that footnote in his letter that the Constitution "does not prohibit Congress from enacting laws restricting firearms ownership for compelling state interests, such as prohibiting firearms ownership by convicted felons." The NRA omitted a key element of Ashcroft's position -- and then published the letter as though it were complete. That omission is a terrible distortion -- and seriously damages NRA's credibility with those of us who know the whole truth. What else might the NRA choose to omit, where the omission serves a PR purpose? Are their reports from the UN correct? Their reports about lobbying efforts and the positions taken by NRA-backed candidates? I wonder who at the NRA thought it was a good idea to distort the facts, and conceal the somewhat negative truth, just to advance the appearance of NRA success? That's the conduct we came to expect from HCI & Co. ... now it has infected the NRA. Members like me should demand the NRA publish an accounting of this mistake, fire the person who made the mistake, apologize and repent from such conduct. --Richard Stevens (my personal views only) ************************************************************************** Subscribe to Freematt's Alerts: Pro-Individual Rights Issues Send a blank message to: freematt(a)coil.com with the words subscribe FA on the subject line. List is private and moderated (7-30 messages per week) Matthew Gaylor, (614) 313-5722 ICQ: 106212065 Archived at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fa/ **************************************************************************

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Matt -- we must protest when "our side" errs
by Richard Stevens 03 Jul '01

03 Jul '01

Dear Colleagues, The July 2001 Issue of NRA's America's First Freedom magazine featured a cover picture of John Ashcroft and highlighted the story of Ashcroft's letter indicating that "the Constitution protects the private ownership of firearms for lawful purposes." The magazine (at pp. 35-37) exults in the reversal of Justice Department policy on the Second Amendment. That's great. On page 37, the NRA reprints Ashcroft's letter -- as though it were *in full* -- but omits the footnote that exists in Ashcroft's actual letter. As you know, Ashcroft also said in that footnote in his letter that the Constitution "does not prohibit Congress from enacting laws restricting firearms ownership for compelling state interests, such as prohibiting firearms ownership by convicted felons." The NRA omitted a key element of Ashcroft's position - -- and then published the letter as though it were complete. That omission is a terrible distortion -- and seriously damages NRA's credibility with those of us who know the whole truth. What else might the NRA choose to omit, where the omission serves a PR purpose? Are their reports from the UN correct? Their reports about lobbying efforts and the positions taken by NRA-backed candidates? I wonder who at the NRA thought it was a good idea to distort the facts, and conceal the somewhat negative truth, just to advance the appearance of NRA success? That's the conduct we came to expect from HCI & Co. ... now it has infected the NRA. Members like me should demand the NRA publish an accounting of this mistake, fire the person who made the mistake, apologize and repent from such conduct. - --Richard Stevens (my personal views only) ********************************************************************** **** Subscribe to Freematt's Alerts: Pro-Individual Rights Issues Send a blank message to: freematt(a)coil.com with the words subscribe FA on the subject line. List is private and moderated (7-30 messages per week) Matthew Gaylor, (614) 313-5722 ICQ: 106212065 Archived at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fa/ ********************************************************************** **** -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use <http://www.pgp.com> iQA/AwUBO2VEUBj6oMyeDxZoEQKwzACgtgENpYvs3Oz6LEf2b04MDO6LMGUAmgPm FTy4IcWnLsgciXWgV25+IeDS =NOgR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------_=_NextPart_001_01C118EA.706C6390 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META NAME="Generator" CONTENT="MS Exchange Server version 5.5.2653.12"> <TITLE>RE: General Ashcroft make his move</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I get the NRA's American Rifleman magazine. The July issue also has an article about Ashcroft's letter, which does not quote the rather lengthy footnote. However, it does contain a legible image of BOTH pages of the letter, including the ENTIRE text of the footnote. This is hardly the action of an organization bent on distorting Ashcroft's view on the Second Amendment. Stupid editing on the part of the America's First Freedom team, perhaps, but not an organization-wide conspiracy. Jonathan Wienke - -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Gaylor [<A HREF="mailto:freematt@coil.com">mailto:freematt@coil.com</A>] Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 12:01 PM To: George(a)Orwellian.Org Cc: cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net Subject: Re: General Ashcroft make his move [Note from Matthew Gaylor:  Richard Stevens is author of the recent book "Dial 911 and Die" published by the Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.   <A HREF="http://www.jpfo.org" TARGET="_blank">http://www.jpfo.org</A> ] Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 16:00:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Stevens <dial911book(a)yahoo.com> Subject: Matt -- we must protest when "our side" errs To: Matthew Gaylor <freematt(a)coil.com> Dear Colleagues, The July 2001 Issue of NRA's America's First Freedom magazine featured a cover picture of John Ashcroft and highlighted the story of Ashcroft's letter indicating that "the Constitution protects the private ownership of firearms for lawful purposes."  The magazine (at pp. 35-37) exults in the reversal of Justice Department policy on the Second Amendment. That's great.  On page 37, the NRA reprints Ashcroft's letter -- as though it were *in full* -- but omits the footnote that exists in Ashcroft's actual letter. As you know, Ashcroft also said in that footnote in his letter that the Constitution "does not prohibit Congress from enacting laws restricting firearms ownership for compelling state interests, such as prohibiting firearms ownership by convicted felons." The NRA omitted a key element of Ashcroft's position - -- and then published the letter as though it were complete. That omission is a terrible distortion -- and seriously damages NRA's credibility with those of us who know the whole truth.  What else might the NRA choose to omit, where the omission serves a PR purpose?  Are their reports from the UN correct? Their reports about lobbying efforts and the positions taken by NRA-backed candidates? I wonder who at the NRA thought it was a good idea to distort the facts, and conceal the somewhat negative truth, just to advance the appearance of NRA success? That's the conduct we came to expect from HCI & Co. ... now it has infected the NRA. Members like me should demand the NRA publish an accounting of this mistake, fire the person who made the mistake, apologize and repent from such conduct. - --Richard Stevens (my personal views only) ********************************************************************** **** Subscribe to Freematt's Alerts: Pro-Individual Rights Issues Send a blank message to: freematt(a)coil.com with the words subscribe FA on the subject line. 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Matt -- we must protest when "our side" errs
by Richard Stevens 03 Jul '01

03 Jul '01

Dear Colleagues, The July 2001 Issue of NRA's America's First Freedom magazine featured a cover picture of John Ashcroft and highlighted the story of Ashcroft's letter indicating that "the Constitution protects the private ownership of firearms for lawful purposes." The magazine (at pp. 35-37) exults in the reversal of Justice Department policy on the Second Amendment. That's great. On page 37, the NRA reprints Ashcroft's letter -- as though it were *in full* -- but omits the footnote that exists in Ashcroft's actual letter. As you know, Ashcroft also said in that footnote in his letter that the Constitution "does not prohibit Congress from enacting laws restricting firearms ownership for compelling state interests, such as prohibiting firearms ownership by convicted felons." The NRA omitted a key element of Ashcroft's position -- and then published the letter as though it were complete. That omission is a terrible distortion -- and seriously damages NRA's credibility with those of us who know the whole truth. What else might the NRA choose to omit, where the omission serves a PR purpose? Are their reports from the UN correct? Their reports about lobbying efforts and the positions taken by NRA-backed candidates? I wonder who at the NRA thought it was a good idea to distort the facts, and conceal the somewhat negative truth, just to advance the appearance of NRA success? That's the conduct we came to expect from HCI & Co. ... now it has infected the NRA. Members like me should demand the NRA publish an accounting of this mistake, fire the person who made the mistake, apologize and repent from such conduct. --Richard Stevens (my personal views only) ************************************************************************** Subscribe to Freematt's Alerts: Pro-Individual Rights Issues Send a blank message to: freematt(a)coil.com with the words subscribe FA on the subject line. List is private and moderated (7-30 messages per week) Matthew Gaylor, (614) 313-5722 ICQ: 106212065 Archived at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fa/ **************************************************************************

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