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Re: Open 802.11b wireless access points and remailers
by Steve Schear 28 Jul '01

28 Jul '01

At 11:37 AM 7/27/2001 +0200, Eugene Leitl wrote: >On Thu, 26 Jul 2001, David Honig wrote: > > > Bear has a point; no matter how you spread or hop, you're an emitter. > > Shoot anything that radiates from 50 Mhz-IR. > >Ultrabroadband is currently hard to triangulate, unless you're part of the >network, where TOF mutual triangulation is part of service. > >You could triangulate ultrabroadband with an antenna array, but in real >life the reflexion and multipath will make it difficult. In particular see : http://www.aetherwire.com/Aether_Wire/Integrated_CMOS_Ultra-Wideband_Locali… steve

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Re: Choate Prime Physics
by drs 28 Jul '01

28 Jul '01

> You're a twerp worse in many ways than Choate is. I expect he will > embrace you as his new ally. Not knowing exactly what that is supposed to mean, I can only assume that it means "not politically correct" or "scientifically accurate." If that's supposed to be an insult - well ok. > After this message, you will reside in > my kill file. Someone should tell him not to go to a lot of effort on my account. Apparently, scientific accuracy is not the thrust of the posts, I'm not particularly good at being politically correct and since I thought this had something to do with cryptography, there's not much reason for me to interrupt any more squabbles.

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Re: Criminalizing crypto criticism
by mmotyka＠lsil.com 28 Jul '01

28 Jul '01

George wrote : >> `(3) FACTORS IN DETERMINING EXEMPTION- In determining whether a person >> qualifies for the exemption under paragraph (2), the factors to be >> considered shall include-- >> `(A) whether the information derived from the encryption research was >> disseminated, and if so, whether it was disseminated in a manner >> reasonably calculated to advance the state of knowledge or development >> of encryption technology, versus whether it was whether it was >> disseminated in a manner that facilitates infringement under this >> title or a violation of applicable law other than this section, >> including a violation of privacy or breach of security; >> >> -Declan >> >> >I've been rereading this a bunch of times trying to figure out >what, if anything, it's supposed to mean. I've come up with two >slightly different interpretations: > >1) If you release your results at a university-sponsored conference >you're an exempt researcher, but if you release identical results at >Defcon you're a criminal. > >2) Anyone with the financial resources or legal background to get >this law overturned on Constitutional grounds is not to be >prosecuted in the first place. > >I think 2 is actually the more accurate reading. > >George > It's pretty odd. That is to say, aren't most academic results eventually available to the world at large? The more interesting or applicable they are the faster they spread. So what's the difference where and how the information is released? It is either part of the public forum or it is not. Are we going to split academic publications into two classes now? Will you need a license to hear certain lectures and be prohibited from passing on what you've learned? (3)(A) is an unfairly arbitrary criterion for assigning criminal culpability. Also, what is the relevance of the "or a violation of applicable law other than this section, including a violation of privacy or breach of security" bit? Are they trying to apply the DMCA to anyone who publishes information that makes it easier to develop exploits against OS bugs? That piece seems out of place. There must be a reason it was included. As for George's #2, DMCA does have that flavor. I suppose that it will retain its value as a means for intimidation, Constitutional or otherwise, as long as it is not tested. Then there's the nightmare scenario in which it is upheld. Let's not go there. DMCA is ***not that bad***, at least there is a research exemption but if you want to be a pessimist it looks as though you could be screwed for communicating your knowledge to anyone but a partner or the owner of the copyright protection system. Free labor for the copyright holder. The satisfaction of a job well done for the laboror. Somehow the information derived from study belongs to the owner of the thing studied. Why not apply the same principal to the studies of the human genome? As for Mr. Felton's run-in with this abomination, did he sign any sort of contract with the music guys to get the materials he needed to do his work? That might change how we view his situation relative to DMCA. Mike

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Re: Choate Prime Physics
by drs 27 Jul '01

27 Jul '01

>> 12:39 AM 7/25/2001 -0500, Jim Choate wrote: >On Tue, 24 Jul 2001, Tim May wrote: IAAP, so let me make a suggestion. Don't argue about physics. The winner comes down to the person or persons least wrong since every description given so far is an attempt to extend some part of an incomplete picture in a way that is _WRONG_, leading to arguments about misstatements. > > > You're gibbering about things you have no clue about. Babbling about > > "the intermediate vector boson" when you clearly don't even > > understand high school physics is especially bizarre. > > > > Photons are _quanta_, as in quantum theory. Their energy is given by > > the usual E = hv (v is nu, frequency). They aren't "less energetic" > > when they scatter (i.e., are reflected). A photon fired at a surface > > will scatter/reflect with precisely the energy it had when it hit the > > surface, unless it is absorbed (in which case it knocks electrons out > > of atoms...the photoelectric effect in a vacuum, thermalized in > > ordinary solids). Scattering is not reflection. In fact, photons do lose energy scattering and the first experiments that demonstrated this is where scattering gets its name: Compton scattering. The compton scattering formula is easily derived from conservation of 4-momentum. Reflection from a mirror is easily described by maxwell's equations, but is more difficult in terms of photons. While the description of the photoelectric effect is more or less ok, the term "thermalize" means applies to contimuum scattering of electrons in the conduction band through collisions with other electrons, not to discrete transitions. Describing a reflection as scattering can be done, but not in the length of this response. > ><groan> > > > >Here is what actually happens. It's called "The Radiated Electric Field". > > > >Some 1st year engineering physics books will have it listed in the index > >under 'mirror'. Let me suggest that everyone defer to "Classical Electrodynamics" by Jackson, as a definitive reference. It's the canonical physics text on the subject and is practically universal as the text for a first year graduate course in any physics program. If you know anyone that's a physicist, they should have a copy. > >The incident photons strike the mirror. > > > >A current is induced. This mixes terminology in a bad way. First of all, any _SINGLE_ photon scattering from a surface will be scattered in an arbitrary direction with the appropriate change in energy. A _reflection_ is the collective behaviour of photons with particular energies that particular interact with the conduction electrons in a way which is easy to describe with maxwell's equatiions, but not very easy to describe photon by photon, since from a miscroscopic view, reflection is a statisitical phenomena. For example, gold which is fairly thin, will be transparent in the UV, not reflective. > > >That current is electrons moving in a resistor. Making heat, losing > >energy. Note, we are NOT talking about photons here but J/C. The energy radiated from a resistor is no different than the energy radiated from a blackbody, except perhaps in how ideal it is. > >That current re-emits photons Currents don't emit photons. Accelerated charges do. > >that retain both frequency and temporal/time If free charges behaved this way (i.e., had memories of what changed their momenta), it would violate both relativity and quantum mechanics. A charge is at rest in its own rest frame before the absorption and after the absorption. How would it retain any knowledge of its previous state without (hint) communicating with neighboring charges? > >related coherence (see Maxwell's Equations for more detail). However, the Maxwell's equations do not describe photons. > >total number of photons MUST be reduced from the incident beam. This also The number of photons is irrelavent, since you cannot count them by virtue of the uncertainty principle between the number of photons and the phases. The ones you count are the properly symmetrized linear combination that produces the signal in the detector and that is always equivalent to a single photon. So the above statement is meaningless. > >means the incident photons can not be the same as the emitted photons. They are identical. Or not. Depends on how you write the wavefunctions in any of an infinite number of equivalent ways. See bose-einstein statistics. > >The photons (as opposed to 'a photon') lose energy. >The photons don't lose energy: the beam or flux is diminished in >intensity. Your improper choice of terms is what's getting creating the >misunderstandings. This is closer to correct, but still doesn't contain the idea that it's meaningless to talk in terms of photon numbers except in a very specific context where one recognizes the limitations and applicability of the picture. -- drs

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Re: Criminalizing crypto criticism + 802.11b access
by mmotyka＠lsil.com 27 Jul '01

27 Jul '01

> I think a lot of the flaws with the DMCA could be fixed by allowing > an exemption for a "notice period" -- one year after you notify them > that their crypto is broken, they've had enough time to fix it -- > and if they haven't fixed it, they deserve what they get. > > Bear > Not acceptable. DMCA is too one-sided. It is an unjust evolutionary dead-end. How would this play out : Hello Clay and Hay Brick Corp, sorry to rain on your hacienda but I've figured out a way to compromise your new eContent system. You might as well tell us, we'll have the FBI kick your ass if you tell anyone else. It was a lot of work and I'm really clever, I should get paid for my efforts. Sounds like cyber-terrorist threats to me. You'd better factor the likely scenarios into your backup policy. I suppose the only bright spot is that 99.99% of the content that is "protected" by DMCA is not worth consuming in the first place. Mike

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Re: Criminalizing crypto criticism
by Declan McCullagh 27 Jul '01

27 Jul '01

On Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at 10:53:02PM -0400, David Jablon wrote: > With these great new laws, there is no longer any risk of being legally > criticised for using even the most glaringly flawed cryptography -- just use it > for Copy Protection, and TADA! Negative criticism magically disappears. > Almost by definition. > > Flaws can only be exposed by those who won't show their work, > or from anonymous sources, who nobody will trust without confirmation [...] [...] > We seem to be entering the twilight zone -- the end of an exciting, > but brief era -- of public cryptography. The DMCA may be bad, but it's not *that* bad. It contains a broad prohibition against circumvention ("No person shall circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access") and then has a bunch of exceptions. One of those -- and you can thank groups like ACM for this, if my legislative memory is correct -- explicitly permits encryption research. You can argue fairly persuasively that it's not broad enough, and certainly 2600 found in the DeCSS case that the judge wasn't convinced by their arguments, but at least it's a shield of sorts. See below. -Declan PS: Some background on Sklyarov case: http://www.politechbot.com/cgi-bin/politech.cgi?name=sklyarov PPS: Note you only get the exemption if you make "a good faith effort to obtain authorization before the circumvention." Gotta love Congress, eh? http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c105:H.R.2281.ENR: `(g) ENCRYPTION RESEARCH- `(1) DEFINITIONS- For purposes of this subsection-- `(A) the term `encryption research' means activities necessary to identify and analyze flaws and vulnerabilities of encryption technologies applied to copyrighted works, if these activities are conducted to advance the state of knowledge in the field of encryption technology or to assist in the development of encryption products; and `(B) the term `encryption technology' means the scrambling and descrambling of information using mathematical formulas or algorithms. `(2) PERMISSIBLE ACTS OF ENCRYPTION RESEARCH- Notwithstanding the provisions of subsection (a)(1)(A), it is not a violation of that subsection for a person to circumvent a technological measure as applied to a copy, phonorecord, performance, or display of a published work in the course of an act of good faith encryption research if-- `(A) the person lawfully obtained the encrypted copy, phonorecord, performance, or display of the published work; `(B) such act is necessary to conduct such encryption research; `(C) the person made a good faith effort to obtain authorization before the circumvention; and `(D) such act does not constitute infringement under this title or a violation of applicable law other than this section, including section 1030 of title 18 and those provisions of title 18 amended by the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act of 1986. `(3) FACTORS IN DETERMINING EXEMPTION- In determining whether a person qualifies for the exemption under paragraph (2), the factors to be considered shall include-- `(A) whether the information derived from the encryption research was disseminated, and if so, whether it was disseminated in a manner reasonably calculated to advance the state of knowledge or development of encryption technology, versus whether it was disseminated in a manner that facilitates infringement under this title or a violation of applicable law other than this section, including a violation of privacy or breach of security; `(B) whether the person is engaged in a legitimate course of study, is employed, or is appropriately trained or experienced, in the field of encryption technology; and `(C) whether the person provides the copyright owner of the work to which the technological measure is applied with notice of the findings and documentation of the research, and the time when such notice is provided. `(4) USE OF TECHNOLOGICAL MEANS FOR RESEARCH ACTIVITIES- Notwithstanding the provisions of subsection (a)(2), it is not a violation of that subsection for a person to-- `(A) develop and employ technological means to circumvent a technological measure for the sole purpose of that person performing the acts of good faith encryption research described in paragraph (2); and `(B) provide the technological means to another person with whom he or she is working collaboratively for the purpose of conducting the acts of good faith encryption research described in paragraph (2) or for the purpose of having that other person verify his or her acts of good faith encryption research described in paragraph (2).

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27 Jul '01

[Stockupticks.com] [Image] [Image] Welcome to Stockupticks.com Newsletter Issue 9 -July 27, 2001 [Image] [Image][Image] [Image] [Image] *** BREAKING NEWS *** ***BREAKING[Image] NEWS*** [Image] In response to investors requesting that more of our coverage come after the market closes, we are providing this Breaking News, which gives our members maximum time to review this company and respond. StockUpTicks endeavors to bring you information about under-followed companies that may be of particular interest to investors in "discovery" and emerging growth stocks. Touchstone Resources Ltd. (TUT.V) based in Houston, Texas, is an aggressive oil and gas exploration company targeting high-potential assets through a focused strategy of utilizing industry relationships, world class contract consultants and the most modern industry technologies. [Image] Touchstone announced today that an open-hole drill-stem test in the Devonian formation in Winkler County, Texas by Schlumberger produced a calculated rate of 2,400 barrels a day on Touchstone's Wink project field. "This is a significant, high-impact discovery," said EVP Wes Franklin. During the weekend ahead, Touchstone will further evaluate production output by open-hole testing in the Devonian. Investors should bookmark the stock and watch for news early this week on the test results. [Image] *** BREAKING NEWS *** ***BREAKING[Image] NEWS*** Editor's note: This release was issued after market meaning that no one, as yet, has been able to react. FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE July 27, 2001 WINK PROSPECT DEVONIAN PRODUCTION TESTING Touchstone Resources USA, Inc. is pleased to announce that the Wink prospect, Morton/Halley 23/24#1, which is located in Winkler County, Texas, is currently being evaluated by open-hole testing in the Devonian formation at approximately 14,000 feet. The Morton/Halley 23/24#1 was drilled to a total depth of 17,636 feet. After evaluating the deeper Ellenburger formation, the Company has commenced a plug-back operation to the Devonian. The Devonian was open-hole drilled drill-stem tested by Schlumberger at a calculated rate of 2,400 barrels of oil per a day (BOPD). A production facility has already been installed at this location and production is scheduled to start on August 1, 2001. Wes Franklin, Executive Vice President for Touchstone Resources, states The Company is very excited with this discovery in the Devonian. This is a very significant high impact discovery, which enhances the real value of our development in the Wink prospect. The size of this discovery could be quite large by todays on-shore U.S. standards. We anticipate continued success in other wells in this region. Mr. Franklin further states, The Morton 23 #3 is drilling over 10,000 feet on its way to a proposed total depth of 15,000 feet. The well is a Devonian delineation/development well down-dipped from the Morton/Halley 23/24 #1 and will provide an indication of the size of the Devonian reservoir. The Company is also pleased to announce that an additional field discovery has been made at the Wink project. The Morton 11 #2 was deepened to 11,000 feet and is currently testing the Devonian chert at approximately 10,700 feet. Mr. Franklin added, the Devonian here is in a separate fault block 2 miles north of the Morton/Halley 23/24 #1, which is testing the same formation 3,000 feet deeper. The Morton 11 #2 well has tested at a daily rate of 1.2 million cubic feet of gas per day (MMCFGPD) and 4 BOPD. Following bottom hole pressure testing, the well will be placed on production immediately. The Canadian Venture Exchange has not reviewed and does not accept responsibility for the adequacy or accuracy of this release. SOURCE: Touchstone Resources USA, Inc. [Image]CONTACT INFORMATION & LINKS [Image] Touchstone Resources USA, Inc. David Daniels 5858 Westheimer, Suite 708 Houston, Texas 77057 Telephone: (713) 784-1113 Facsimile:(713) 785-8530 Toll Free: (877) 829-0357 E-mail: ddaniels(a)touchstonetexas.com Website: www.touchstonetexas.com Click TUT.V here for stock quote. Click here to view latest news. [Image]About The Canadian Venture Exchange [Image] The performance of the Canadian Venture Exchange (CDNX) can best be measured by comparing it with the U.S. Nasdaq Composite 100. The CDNX began with its indices value set at 2000 on November 11, 1999. The main index closed trading on June 1, 2001 at 3,251. That's a 62% increase. In comparison, during the same time period the Nasdaq Composite suffered a 38% decline, from 3,421 on November 11, 1999 to close at 2,149 on June 1, 2001. 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