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31 Aug '01

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Re: The Tim May Question
by Reese 31 Aug '01

31 Aug '01

At 15:33 8/30/2001 -0700, A. Melon wrote: >In another message Tim wrote: >>On Sunday, August 26, 2001, at 12:11 AM, Reese wrote: >>> It's easy to stay on topic, or on a topic, it's another thing to be >>> appropriate. Tim is good, but easy improvement is within reach, as >>> you sort of noted. >> >> Fuck off. I'll take constructive criticism from people who are >> better writers than I, or at least in the same ballpark. >> >> But not from those who have left no lasting impression. > >I'm not sure if Reese was replying to one of my messages, but this >obsession less productive posters have with Tim is peculiar. Even more peculiar, the wrong turns taken when responding to an out- of-context quote. Just as an aside, didn't you find it ironic that Tim told me of all people, to "Fuck Off"??? >Looked at as an engineering problem, one tends to look at the >underperforming components. Why look at a utilization issue as an engineering problem? Unless your object is fitting square pegs to round holes. Do you have pointy hair? Behold my complete post (less .sig), and what I replied to: At 18:47 8/25/2001 -0500, Anonymous wrote: >I'm not too delighted with the "I have friends who want to kill >all Jews" type of remarks, but beggars can't be choosers. > >People carp about Tim, but I'd like to see anybody try to do one >Tim May quality post every day for two weeks. Including the "I have friends who want to kill all the Jews" type of remarks? GIGO, yada. It's easy to stay on topic, or on a topic, it's another thing to be appropriate. Tim is good, but easy improvement is within reach, as you sort of noted. Perhaps it was Anonymous you should've referred to, instead of me. Regardless, Fuck Off. Reeza!

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Re: The Tim May Question
by Reese 31 Aug '01

31 Aug '01

At 15:33 8/30/2001 -0700, A. Melon wrote: >In another message Tim wrote: >>On Sunday, August 26, 2001, at 12:11 AM, Reese wrote: >>> It's easy to stay on topic, or on a topic, it's another thing to be >>> appropriate. Tim is good, but easy improvement is within reach, as >>> you sort of noted. >> >> Fuck off. I'll take constructive criticism from people who are >> better writers than I, or at least in the same ballpark. >> >> But not from those who have left no lasting impression. > >I'm not sure if Reese was replying to one of my messages, but this >obsession less productive posters have with Tim is peculiar. Even more peculiar, the wrong turns taken when responding to an out- of-context quote. Just as an aside, didn't you find it ironic that Tim told me of all people, to "Fuck Off"??? >Looked at as an engineering problem, one tends to look at the >underperforming components. Why look at a utilization issue as an engineering problem? Unless your object is fitting square pegs to round holes. Do you have pointy hair? Behold my complete post (less .sig), and what I replied to: At 18:47 8/25/2001 -0500, Anonymous wrote: >I'm not too delighted with the "I have friends who want to kill >all Jews" type of remarks, but beggars can't be choosers. > >People carp about Tim, but I'd like to see anybody try to do one >Tim May quality post every day for two weeks. Including the "I have friends who want to kill all the Jews" type of remarks? GIGO, yada. It's easy to stay on topic, or on a topic, it's another thing to be appropriate. Tim is good, but easy improvement is within reach, as you sort of noted. Perhaps it was Anonymous you should've referred to, instead of me. Regardless, Fuck Off. Reeza!

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31 Aug '01

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by Amy_Amber2＠excite.com 31 Aug '01

31 Aug '01

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Re: The Privacy/Untraceability Sweet Spot
by Nomen Nescio 31 Aug '01

31 Aug '01

On Tuesday, August 28, 2001, at 8:04 AM, Tim May wrote: > On Monday, August 27, 2001, at 11:20 PM, Nomen Nescio wrote: > > On Monday, August 27, 2001, at 12:56 PM, Tim May wrote: > >> On Monday, August 27, 2001, at 12:40 PM, Nomen Nescio wrote: > >>> "Freedom fighters in communist-controlled regimes." How much money > >>> do they have? More importantly, how much are they willing and able to > >>> spend on anonymity/privacy/black-market technologies? These guys > >>> aren't > >>> rolling in dough. > >> > >> The IRA and the Real IRA have a lot of money, as the Brits have been > >> complaining about recently. Osama bin Laden is said to control more > >> than > >> a billion dollars. And so on. I disagree with you assertion that "these > >> guys aren't rolling in dough." > > > > Members of the IRA are not freedom fighters in a communist-controlled > > country. bin Laden did fall under that definition when he was fighting > > to get the Russians out of Afghanistan but that was a long time ago. > > Now he's opposing American influence in Saudi Arabia. > > Your reading comprehension sucks. I gave half a dozen _examples_, one of > them "freedom fighters in communist-controlled regimes" and you assume > this is the only kind of freedom fighter being talked about. No point in > carrying on a conversation with this breathtaking display of literalism. The reason why "in communist-controlled regimes" is relevant is because you advanced it as an example of MORALLY acceptable use of technology (presuming that most readers will oppose communism). The objection was raised, yes, it is moral, but is it profitable? There are not many communist-opposed freedom fighters around today, not much money to be made there. You came back and mentioned the IRA and bin Laden. It is true, both of these are well funded. But this does not answer the objection. The point was, can you find groups that are both profitable to sell to, and morally acceptable? The latter consideration is what led to the "in communist-controlled regimes" limitation in the first place. You can't just throw that part out without losing the moral acceptability which motivated the example in the first place. bin Laden and the IRA have plenty of money, but will many cypherpunks agree with their politics? It's hard to believe that anyone thinks that if the IRA or bin Laden were to succeed in their goals, that they would put in place a kindler and gentler state. It remains a challenge to identify groups that are both (A) wealthy, (B) in need of anonymity technologies, and (C) morally acceptable to support. Freedom fighters don't fit all that well, in today's world.

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Fwd: Re: Tim May and anonymous flames.
by Gary Jeffers 31 Aug '01

31 Aug '01

My fellow Cypherpunks, Some time ago Tim May flamed me and I responded with the post: Tim May goes bush shooting. http://www.inet-one.com/cypherpunks/dir.2000.09.25-2000.10.01/msg00388.html . Note: The 3rd reference was bad. The corrected reference is: http://www.inet-one.com/cypherpunks/dir.2000.09.18-2000.09.24/msg00167.html . This has gotten me thinking and I have the following observations and conjectures: 1. It is predictable that Tim May will be flammed. The FBI has a history of covertly sowing internal dissent in dissident groups. As a leading Cypherpunk, May is an obvious target. 2. Anonymous flames are dirt cheap and safe for the FBI. 3. The FBI will do them well. By definition, the flames will be professional :-) 4. The flames will be worded so as to distress the target. 5. The flames will be seeded with clues to imply that a particular Cypherpunk did them: distinctive syntax, mispellings, phrases, etc.. This will help make the group ineffective. 6. Other leading Cypherpunks will also be targeted. 7. The anonymous flames will be hard to falsify in their pointing to a particular Cypherpunk. 8. Does anybody have reason to believe that the above is not true? 9. Anybody have any good defenses against this attack. 10. Has this topic been brought up before? Yes, I know! -countless times and I have not done my homework. :-) Yours Truly, Gary Jeffers BEAT STATE!!!! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Re: The Privacy/Untraceability Sweet Spot
by Gil Hamilton 31 Aug '01

31 Aug '01

Nomen Nescio wrote: [snip] >The answers it gives depends on the questions you ask. If your questions >are simple enough (untraceability good?) then your chart will answer >them. If your questions are more interesting (what technologies can >be practically implemented and make a positive difference in the world) >then you need a better chart. You (and Aimee) make the mistake of assuming that all of us believe that we are living in the best of all possible worlds. Many people however believe that we [read: our government(s)] are in a downward spiral that is converging on police-and-welfare-state. In the US for example, we long ago abandoned our constitution. We still give it much lip service and we still have one of the "more free" societies but things are trending in the wrong direction. Each year more oppressive laws are passed, more things are made illegal to say or write or - if some have their way - think. (And of course it goes without saying that these things that are prohibited to us are available to "authorized users": those in intelligence, law enforcement, etc. - the usual "more equal" individuals.) More of our incomes are stolen to be redistributed to the lazy and undeserving, who have every incentive to continue voting for the politicians who will continue to transfer money from productive individuals to them. At the same time, more twits like you and Aimee spring up, always ready to say "no, you mustn't say such things - you don't really mean that, do you? How could anyone even think such things?" As Tim has pointed out over and over, you need to read up on cypherpunks themes, goals and history. His signature has included this inscription for years (though he seems not to be using it lately): Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero knowledge, reputations, information markets, black markets, collapse of governments. Did you think he didn't really mean it? As a start on getting up to speed on alternatives to our current "system of government" (and excellent entertainment besides), I recommend you read these works: "Snow Crash" by Neal Stephenson "The Ungoverned" by Vernor Vinge There are many others that could be added to this list but just reading these will give you a taste of some alternative societies that might be in many ways preferable to the current kleptocracy. - GH (who admits he's been heavily influenced by Mr. May) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Re: kuro5hin.org || How Home-Schooling Harms the Nation
by mmotyka＠lsil.com 31 Aug '01

31 Aug '01

David Honig <honig(a)sprynet.com> : >At 09:13 AM 8/29/01 -0500, Jim Choate wrote: >>http://www.Kuro5hin.org/story/2001/8/28/1868/27867 > > I've been reading the cover article in Time magazine about home > schooling, and it makes me wonder. One of the primary questions the > article poses is this: "Home schooling may turn out better students, but > does it create better citizens?" Also present is the accusation that home > schooling threatens the current public education system: > > "Home schooling is a social threat to public education," says > Chris Lubienski, who teaches at Iowa State University's > college of education. "It is taking some of the most affluent > and articulate parents out of the system. These are the > parents who know how to get things done with > administrators." > I think he's probably wrong here - I would guess that the most affluent and articulate parents send their kids to private schools because they're too busy keeping the lifestyle financed to run a school or realize that they would probably suck at it. If I win the Lotto I'll consider it. I'll risk $1 today. > >Funny that, a State employee putting home education down. > Funny that, the only people I've ever met who were home schooling their kids were fundamentalist christians who objected to all kinds of perceived immorality and wrong teaching like sex ed and evolution. In my estimation they were poorly equipped to give their children a good education. I have no doubt that there are many exceptions to what I've seen but those who will do a really fine job of educating their children are probably in the minority of homeschoolers. >In any case, the notion that parents should sacrifice their children >for the good of society is abhorrent. > You mean like when we send young males to war so the ones who stay home will have less competition? Keep an open mind about the home schooling/private schooling vs. public schooling discussion. One facet that I see is that fundamentalists via a strong influence on the republican party are trying to divert public funds to religious organizations. My reading of the 1st is that the state may not establish a religion. Giving money to a religious organization is tantamount to establishment. My reading of the 1st also leads me to the conclusion that the tax-exempt status of the churches is wrong. They should pay their fair share of the fucking property taxes like every other victim. Another facet is that the well-to-do are attempting to remove their funds from the systems so they can use those funds to educate their children as they choose. A voucher system would surely benefit me financially. This is a reasonable desire but it will have a negative effect on the public school systems and a subsequent negative effect on the society as a whole. I know the masses are a bit thick but do you want them to be even thicker? And not all bright people come from priviledged backgrounds. Do you want to limit the opportunities for some of the brightest kids in the country before they've even had a chance? I'm not saying that it (vouchers or other defunding) should be ruled out but you should at least think about the implications a bit. Aimee style question : How many of you were home schooled? How many went to private schools? How many went to public schools? I would guess roughly 1% 9% 90% I wish there were more ( and better ) educational choices and that those choices were reflected reasonably in the financial systems but every proposal I've seen so far sucks moose bladder through a hairy straw. Mike

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OPT: Sarah Flannery on Cayley-Purser: An Investigation of a New Algorithm vs. the RSA
by Jim Choate 30 Aug '01

30 Aug '01

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