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Re: The Enemies List
by Nomen Nescio 16 Sep '01

16 Sep '01

Chefren - On behalf of the civilized readers of the cypherpunks list, please accept our apology for the implied threats of violence against you by Tim May. He is by no means representative of the larger readership. He is alone in calling for the death of those who hold views different from his own. You and other critics have every right to speak your mind and make your position known. Indeed, the cypherpunks were founded on the principle of advancing freedom of speech. It is a sad and tragic irony that one of the founders of that group has descended into a despicable allegiance to violence. Long-term subscribers have seen it happen gradually over the years. It seemed to many that the Y2K non-disaster was the last straw. Tim May was one of the worst of the Y2K paranoids, spewing hostility at anyone who dared to suggest that the event might not be a catastrophe, that the government was not engaging in a cover-up or planning to install itself as a dictatorship. The original purpose of the cypherpunks mailing list was forgotten as Tim May turned it into a forum for discussing gun ownership, preparations for disaster, and mechanisms for revenge. Many of us have been forced to use the shield of anonymity so that our voices may be heard without fear of the violent retribution that Tim May so often threatens. His frequent boasts of carrying weapons, his talk of a large arsenal, his calls for bloody revenge, all instill a genuine fear in those who would disagree with him. Very few list members have ever dared to speak up in opposition to even the most outrageous statements made by Tim May. When he said that he was becoming convinced that Tim McVeigh had done the right thing in killing hundreds of innocents, only an anonymous poster was willing to take him sharply to task. When he wrote that what he calls "the colored race" was heading for "the trash heap of history", adding "fuck 'em", only an anonymous poster spoke out against this outrageous demonstration of racism. Why? Is it because all list subscribers agree with terrorist actions like McVeigh's? (Tim May has even hinted that he welcomes the recent WTC attack!) Is it because all list subscribers are racists who wish to see their own race rise to dominance? Surely not. Rather, most readers are intimidated into silence. They don't speak up because they fear the consequences. Tim May has shown all too many times how sensitive he is to even the slightest criticism. He has a furious temper, as you, Chefren, have discovered. And he does not hesitate to threaten death. So please, don't imagine that because Tim May has added you to his enemies list, you are in any danger from the thousands of cypherpunks who subscribe to the mailing list. The vast majority abhor intimidation and threats. Indeed, most readers came to the cypherpunks out of a desire to build a society where speech would always be free, where violence would be impotent. This is why we have worked on the technologies of cryptography and anonymity. It is sad and ironic that we are forced to resort to these methods, which were intended as a shield against a hostile outside world, here on our own list. It is the only way that many of us can speak openly and freely and without fear. This is the injury which Tim May has inflicted upon the group. Fortunately the tools are available, and even his violent threats, his rants and his rage cannot silence those who would speak their minds. Again, on behalf of those of us who do not believe in violent revenge, who believe in freedom of speech for all, please accept this apology.

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I hope this war puts an end to PC nonsense
by Tim May 16 Sep '01

16 Sep '01

I was flipping through the channels and came across a Peter Jennings/ABC show, something about "Talk Back America" or "Our Children Speak Out" or somesuch PC gobbledegook. Predictably, an Oriental girl of about 12-14 was "sharing": "We need to understand that terrorism comes from the hatred within our hearts." I think even normally-PC Jennings saw the brainwashed stupidity in this and moved on to the next child...a second later I flipped the channel. That so many millions of children are programmed to mutter about how "bigotry is our most important problem" and "terrorism comes from our hearts" shows how far we've sunk into the miasma of political correctness. I hope if nothing else good comes from recent events, at least we see the death of crap like this. --Tim May

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Palestinian celebration videos censored
by Subcommander Bob 16 Sep '01

16 Sep '01

http://www.jpost.com/Editions/2001/09/16/News/News.34869.html JERUSALEM (September 16) - About 1,500 Palestinians, many supporters of Hamas, marched in a Gaza Strip refugee camp Friday, burning Israeli flags and carrying a large poster of Osama bin Laden, an exiled Saudi millionaire who US Secretary of State Colin Powell has named a key suspect in last week's terror attacks in the United States. After the rally, plainclothes Palestinian policemen questioned several journalists, including members of foreign news agencies, and confiscated videotape, film, and other camera equipment. An Associated Press Television News video was among the materials taken, and an AP photographer was warned by officials not to publish pictures of the bin Laden poster. AP protested and demanded the return of the video and other material. The journalists were told police would review the material before deciding whether or not to release it. Palestinian Authority officials refused to comment on the record and did not respond immediately to AP's protest. The Palestinian Police said in a statement that the rally in the Nusseirat refugee camp took place without a permit. "The Palestinian Police confiscated media material which documented illegal acts," the statement said. Earlier last week, Palestinian Police stopped camera teams and photographers from covering a rally in Nablus in which several thousand Palestinians celebrated the attacks in the US. Palestinian officials said the demonstration did not represent widespread Palestinian opinion. According to one source, the Reuters correspondent in Nablus not only agreed to the PA demand not to document the rally, but attempted to press his AP counterpart to follow suit. He was unable to reach him in time. The AP cameraman later received death threats.

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Frank Sudia's proposal: Let's revive encryption key escrow
by Declan McCullagh 16 Sep '01

16 Sep '01

----- Forwarded message from Declan McCullagh <declan(a)well.com> -----

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RE: SYMBOL
by Nomen Nescio 16 Sep '01

16 Sep '01

The movement to rebuild the World Trade Center towers is gaining momentum, and American capitalism is stepping up to the plate. The latest corporate giant to sign on as a sponsor is Target Stores. Their only requirement is that their corporate logo be painted high on each tower. The Target logo is a gigantic red bullseye.

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RE: AP - Was Crypto-anonymity greases HUMINT intelligence flows
by Bill Stewart 16 Sep '01

16 Sep '01

> > > Too bad that the infrastructure to successfully implement AP isn't in > > > place. That $5mil reward for Bin Laden's head could be used by an FBI AP > > > scheme, payable anonymously over the net to enterprising Afghanis. > > > > AP is a silly, unworkable idea. However, $5,000,000 PLUS the Witness > > Relocation program could be a winner. AP was designed to implement several objectives: - Let the customer or customers for the service remain anonymous - Let the service provider get paid without getting caught, which includes remaining anonymous to the customers, where the primary threat is governments tracking the payment. - Let the potential target know the depth of public opinion about his/her actions, encouraging a change of behavior to prevent the bids from becoming sufficiently high. In this case, the Feds didn't feel the need to remain anonymous when they put out their "Bring Me The Head Of Osama bin Laden" contract, nor did the dot-com millionaire who recently bid $10M. And if bin Laden hadn't figured out that the Feds disliked him by the time they fired 75 cruise missiles with his name on them after they accused him of the embassy bombings, sticking his name up on a computer bulletin board system won't change that much. While anonymous digital cash, if it existed, would make payment quieter, that's not the real problem for the stoolie who fingers bin Laden. The traditional "here's the number for a secret Swiss Bank Account" should do fine, or handing over the Magic American Express Card. The problem is that anybody close enough to bin Laden who suddenly started spending lots of cash after the Feds moved in would suddenly be a very obvious candidate for community disapproval; that's one mujahid who's better off leaving a revenge/suicide note followed by CNN reporting that a small explosives-laden Cessna was shot down over the Potomac. >Would you trust the Witness Protection Program with your life? >Whoever opts to collect that $5,000,000 will forever live in fear. Yeah - unlike Salmon Rushdie, there may be fewer people who want him killed, but they'd be much more serious about it. >Assuming only the use of mixmaster remailers for communication, and >assuming an honest FBI, how could one collect a cash reward for tips >satisfy the FBI's reward requirements? Include a public key with the anonymous tip, and have the Feds encrypt the Swiss Bank Account Number with it. Or at least have the money-delivery instructions signed with that key.

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Re: Non-joke: How to win the new war
by CYNTHIA DWYER 16 Sep '01

16 Sep '01

Thanks for having the courage to speak out. --Cyn God's word to us spoken through the prophet Isaiah (41:10) So do not fear, for I am with you; do not be dismayed, for I am your God. I will strengthen you and help you; I will uphold you with My righteous right hand. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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Stink Bombs
by POD96214778＠aol.com 16 Sep '01

16 Sep '01

Can you please tell me what I need to make a stink bomb, the measurements, and how to build it? Pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee? Thanx.

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SIG: Slashdot | Preserve Your Rights Online - Act Now
by Jim Choate 16 Sep '01

16 Sep '01

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RE: SYMBOL
by jamesd＠echeque.com 16 Sep '01

16 Sep '01

-- On Sun, 16 Sep 2001, Sandy Sandfort wrote: > > As were buildings above 5 stories in ancient Rome. > > Technology moves on. The question is not, "Can 250-story > > buildings be made safe?" The only question is "How can > > they be made safe?" Eugene Leitl > The question is: why should we bother? For the hell of it. Because we can. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG pVmj4hZ9kY3VS3tA+8Deu0M78yRPV4YnoT1/j2oW 4d7YetGNPaO0X7pEXnfo/qE/vpf7XJOpzWpCPzWDb

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