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Slashdot | Microsoft FrontPage License Prohibits Anti-Microsoft Speech
by Jim Choate 20 Sep '01

20 Sep '01

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freedomforum.org: Freedom flees in terror from Sept. 11 disaster
by Jim Choate 20 Sep '01

20 Sep '01

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[Fwd: [biofuel] Global atomic agency confesses little can be done to safeguardnuclear plants]
by Harmon Seaver 20 Sep '01

20 Sep '01

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: [biofuel] Global atomic agency confesses little can be done to safeguardnuclear plants Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 22:07:31 +0900 From: Keith Addison <keith(a)journeytoforever.org> To: biofuel(a)yahoogroups.com http://enn.com/news/wire-stories/2001/09/09192001/ap_45005.asp - 9/19/2001 - ENN.com Global atomic agency confesses little can be done to safeguard nuclear plants Wednesday, September 19, 2001 By William J. Kole, Associated Press VIENNA, Austria - Security is being tightened at the world's nuclear power plants, an international watchdog agency said Monday, but it conceded that little can be done to shield a nuclear facility from a direct hit by an airliner. Most nuclear power plants were built during the 1960s and 1970s, and like the World Trade Center, they were designed to withstand only accidental impacts from the smaller aircraft widely used at the time, the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) said as it opened its annual conference. "If you postulate the risk of a jumbo jet full of fuel, it is clear that their design was not conceived to withstand such an impact," spokesman David Kyd said. U.S. Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham was among delegates from 132 nations who opened the conference with calls to better safeguard nuclear plants and to keep nuclear materials out of terrorists' hands. Abraham brought a message from President George W. Bush to the Vienna-based IAEA, urging the agency to keep pace with "the real and growing threat of nuclear proliferation." The world "must ensure that nuclear materials are never used as weapons of terror," Abraham said. "We cannot assume that tomorrow's terrorist acts will mirror those we've just experienced." In the wake of last week's attacks in New York and Washington, governments have tightened security outside nuclear power and radioactive waste facilities worldwide. But Japan, which is heavily dependent on nuclear energy and has 52 nuclear plants, warned Monday that although tighter security is needed, nothing can shield the plants from attacks by missiles or aircraft. Conference delegates, who began Monday with a minute of silence and a song from the Vienna Boy's Choir in memory of the victims of the U.S. attacks, met behind closed doors Monday and Tuesday on ways to improve plant security. In the West, nuclear power plants were designed more with ground vehicle attacks in mind, Kyd said. Although many were designed to withstand a glancing blow from a small commercial jetliner, a direct hit at high speed by a modern jumbo jet "could create a Chernobyl situation," said an American official who declined to be identified. However, the buildings that house nuclear reactors themselves are far smaller targets than the Pentagon posed, and it would be extremely difficult for a terrorist to mount a direct hit at an angle that could unleash a catastrophic chain of events, Kyd said. If a nuclear power plant were hit by an airliner, the reactor would not explode, but such a strike could destroy the plant's cooling systems. That could cause the nuclear fuel rods to overheat and produce a steam explosion that could release lethal radioactivity into the atmosphere. The IAEA said it would work more closely with Interpol and other police agencies to minimize the risk of nuclear materials falling into terrorists' hands. Over the past 12 months, there have been 13 known interceptions of trafficked nuclear material worldwide, the agency said. Officials said it takes at least eight kilograms (17 1/2 pounds) of plutonium or 25 kilograms (55 pounds) of enriched uranium to produce a single nuclear weapon, but that only miniscule amounts of those metals are known to have been smuggled in recent years. "A nuclear weapon requires tremendous expertise. We have no indications that any terrorist group is that advanced," Kyd said. Although nuclear waste potentially could be used to produce a "radiological" weapon, it would take months or years to kill, and it is far cheaper to obtain compounds that could be used to create lethal chemical weapons, he said. Copyright 2001, Associated Press ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/MDsVHB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: biofuel-unsubscribe(a)yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

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Scientific American: Reviews: The End of Oil: October 2001
by Jim Choate 20 Sep '01

20 Sep '01

http://www.sciam.com/2001/1001issue/1001reviews1.html -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ Kill them all, take their land, and go there for vacation. Rage Against The Machine The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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by Jim Choate 20 Sep '01

20 Sep '01

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New encryption technology closes WLAN security loopholes (fwd)
by Jim Choate 20 Sep '01

20 Sep '01

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 08:05:55 -0400 From: "R. A. Hettinga" <rah(a)shipwright.com> To: cryptography(a)wasabisystems.com, mac-crypto(a)vmeng.com, Digital Bearer Settlement List <dbs(a)philodox.com> Subject: New encryption technology closes WLAN security loopholes --- begin forwarded text

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20 Sep '01

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[psychohistory] Terror Attacks: A Psychohistorical view (fwd)
by Jim Choate 20 Sep '01

20 Sep '01

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 16:23:02 +0300 From: "[iso-8859-7] �� " <granazis(a)otenet.gr> Reply-To: psychohistory(a)yahoogroups.com To: psychohistory(a)yahoogroups.com Subject: [psychohistory] Terror Attacks: A Psychohistorical view Terror Attacks: A Psychohistorical view By Christos Z. Konstas A first word: I feel that enough days have passed since the bombing and now we can look upon the events in a more cool-headed manner. It is still difficult to address the issue of the recent terrorist attacks in the USA, but some things need to be said -and discussed - before the situation deteriorate more. A. Every crime, why, every action in our world, needs three factors in order to take place: 1. The opportunity 2. The means, and behind them all, 3. The motives The recent criminal terrorist attacks are no exception to this. Before the execution of the acts these three factors where already in place and in order to understand the events we need to examine each one. For us interested in Asimovian Psychohistory this means to examine them under the light of it. I want to examine the facts, and stay with them with as little interpretation, as possible, and as little second-guessing as possible too, though that may be occasionally unavoidable. Then I want to try to put the facts into numbers in order to be able to get some calculated results out of them. Regretfully it is going to be a rough, low resolution analysis. Nevertheless it will give us a crude but real picture. B. Opportunity, means, motives. These are key factors to the events and our understanding them will give us the chance to neutralize them too, if we want to minimize the chances of similar events will happening in the future. Before looking at them we can divide those responsible for the attacks to two obvious categories (groups): a. Those who survived, and b. Those who didn't survive. These two categories differ not only by the outcome: survivors/non-survivors but also by the different roles they played and by their motives too. You see in group (a) belong all those who are behind the acts, the master minds that designed them, their financiers, patrons etc. In group (b) belong those who executed the acts and those are the ones that I will examine first. As a group is the most complex one and their motives cannot be explained by simply labeling them as 'evil', something that could be said about the first group, but more on this later. Group (a) 1. Opportunities. These come and go. Sometimes a 'window' opens for a brief time and then closes again. The opportunity in these particular events was given by Time. The precise timing of the attack and the passing of time. Facts: There had been some time since the last terrorist attack in the US and 'guards' was down. Statistically, now and then opportunities for terrorist hits arise and when the attack comes at 'right' moment their success is entirely possible. A lot can be done and is done towards the elimination of such opportunities. You've heard it all, I'm sure, thorough airport checks etc. However those with the motives and the means for terrorist acts are always looking for such opportunities and statistically sooner or later they will succeed in finding and taking advantage of them. 2. Means. They are the 'weapon', the tools of the execution. Again measures taken against the means of a terrorist act can be very successful but time and resourcefulness work for the terrorists. Fact: This time they used knives, box cutters and commercial airliners. There is no defense against the strongly motivated use of common everyday things as weapons. Even a fork can do a lot of damage. Can you imagine the paranoia of scanning passengers for forks? Again given time events of low probability can happen too. So we reach the single most important factor of everything: Motivation 3. Motives. Ultimately they are the most important factor, because in their absence nobody bothers to act. Facts: It is indisputable that the hijackers where highly motivated, they sacrificed their lives after all for their cause. That some people are sufficiently motivated to commit such acts to a degree to give their lives in the process needs further examination. Because only by eliminating the motives that makes them to act suicidal can we ensure an adequate lowering of the probability of acts like that happening again. Question1: Why they did it? Question2: What can motivate a person thus? Question3: What were their actual motives. Answers: The first and most publicly discussed 'motive' is that they were 'religious fanatics'. Although that is a strong possibility leaves a lot of questions unanswered and don't give a detailed picture of the hijackers. For example: What turned them into religious fanatics? Even if they were religious fanatics, what made the religious fanatics? Brainwashing, intense indoctrination, money, love, hate? What? The hijackers weren't, to all indications, illiterate savages, most had probably had spend time living in the US, had studied in US colleges, some knew how to pilot aircraft etc. Moreover the idea of them being just religious fanatics oversimplifies things. If we think that this was their only motive, we need not investigate their motives any further. It's the absolute answer, blame it to fanaticism and stop worrying. But that is misleading and give up a wrong or at least an incomplete picture. Thus 'religious fanaticism' an answer is, for the time being, at least incomplete, and until it answers more questions than it raises this motive will be considered of secondary importance. The most natural answer is that something made these people desperate enough to act in the way they acted. First interlude. I want to bring to your attention, two loosely related facts, and the questions that rise from them: 1. There where celebrations in Palestine and Iraq. As a contrast to those celebrations I saw someone on the CNN wondering over them as seen under the light of the tragedy and the pain the victims still suffer. Question: Are the people of Palestine and Iraq so cynical in front of the pain and the losses of innocent lives? 2. For many people it's hard to accept why there is so much hatred, genocides and atrocities in the world. Yet all those are hard facts of life and the very difficulty some people face in accepting these facts indicate a lack of information. You see when one has all the information of the causes the effects should be obvious, that's what Psychohistory hopes anyway. Question: to what information I'm referring? Honest answers could be painful but will guarantee a better comprehension of the recent events. Facts in numbers Now we have a number of those people motivated to commit suicidal terrorists acts. It is reported that they were about 24. The precise number is irrelevant. Lets call their number 'T'. That 'T' number of willing to die terrorists did not came out of thin air. They came from a larger pool of candidates of 'C' number and we know that greed and personal profit was not their motive because they knew they would die. What do all these 'C' people had in common? Perhaps many things, but one is very relevant here. They all shared an intense hate toward the USA. A hate that made them insensitive to the knowledge that blind terrorist acts mainly hurt innocent people. So there is an 'H' number of people that hates the USA enough to make them hurt the innocent. Now this 'H' number obviously come from even greater number of people that something in their lives made them to hate the USA. They cannot be people who profit by the US policies. Religion alone is not an important factor here. Islam is not by definition anti-US, it's not by definition pro-Arab either. They must be people who are or feel personally damaged by the US policies. Given the extent of US influence around the globe there must be a 'D' number of people who are displeased by the US, but these people must be very displeased indeed. Question: What did make them so displeased in the USA? Second Interlude No we have a rough form of an equation here: We initially have a pool of D number of people out of which comes a T number of suicidal terrorist: D-H-C=T Where does this D number of people comes from? Historical Fact sheet 1: The USA during the last 30 years (that is since 1971) have: Mercilessly bombed three countries: Vietnam Iraq Yugoslavia Invaded two countries: Granada Panama Placed various types of - common people affecting - sanctions against: Cuba N. Korea Iran Iraq Serbia Military intervered in: Lebanon Sudan Also intervered in: El Salvador Nicaragua Argentina Colombia I'm surely missing out some countries but I think I've made my point. Fact sheet 2 Many of the current US menaces were initially financed and helped by the US before they become the US archenemies: Noriega of Panama Saddam of Iraq And. Ossama Bin Ladden They all were tenderly cared by the US at some point. All those facts are indisputable. One can defend such US actions as having 'right' reasons. In this study that's irrelevant. Even if all those actions were for the best of reasons, which is debatable, as an aftereffect they resulted in the creation of a very specific group of people. Innocent people that saw their lives, properties, houses, destroyed, themselves hurt or injured and their loved ones and relatives dead, all because they happened to be in the wrong place of the world or the wrong side of a conflict. These are the 'D' people described above. Conclusion: There are two lines of action that can be suggested from this Psychohistorical study of the recent bombings in the USA. A. A thorough check on the past of people entering the USA will show who of them have, potentially, a reason to hate the US. Those who have seen their lives damaged because they happened to be 'collateral damage' in one of the US military actions are obviously more prone to suicidal 'religious fanaticism'. Will work for a short term but a more effective one will be the next. B. The best way to limit the number of willing to die terrorists (T) is to reduce the (D) number of people that are hurt by American policies. That will work better in the long run. Just think that an average of 5000 children die each month in Iraq because the US sanctions. That results in at least 10000 people who are very displeased with USA. Now that's a big tank from which any clever 'religious fanatic' usurper can tap for human resources. Under this light Madeleine's Albright comment that 'they think' of it all that 'the price is worth it (were the price is the dead Iraqi children)' is suddenly less convincing. Is it not? --------------------------------------------------------------------~-~> to unsubscribe from this group, send a blank message to mailto:psychohistory-unsubscribe@egroups.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------_-> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

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