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RE: What might have happened on Sept. 11...
by Trei, Peter 21 Sep '01

21 Sep '01

> Jim Choate[SMTP:ravage@ssz.com] wrote: > > On Thu, 20 Sep 2001, Matthew Gaylor wrote: > > > What might have happened on Sept. 11 if this were truly The Land of the > Free: > > > > > > <http://www.tlknapp.net/bieser091101frames.html> > > > > Go to the above url to view a cartoon created by Scott Bieser, > > proprietor of Liberty Artworx <http://www.libertyartworx.com/>. > > Except they'd have had guns too...the plane needs lots of little holes and > more dead bodies (with shooters hunkered down behind the seats). > James Choate > Think it through Jim, if you can. What would actually happen is that there would not be an attempt to hijack the plane. The only reason the terrorists pulled it off on the first three was that the usual protocol for hijacks involves landing, and letting most/all of the passengers off unharmed. For disarmed passengers, the best option for survival was to anticipate this protocol, and sit tight. As soon as some of the passengers on plane 4 learned what a different protocol was in effect, the terrorists were doomed. If a hijack was attempted today, even against disarmed passengers by terrorists with guns there would be, in the words of one recent post 'entrails on the windows, even if the passengers were Quaker schoolgirls". A plane where there is a chance that a significant fraction of the passengers are armed (hopefully with frangible, low velocity ammo) is no longer a soft target, even to terrorists with guns. They best they can hope to do is crash the plane, without any precise selection of target. Peter Trei

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Op-ed on encryption: Privacy is no longer an argument
by Declan McCullagh 21 Sep '01

21 Sep '01

http://www.wartimeliberty.com/article.pl?sid=01/09/21/0450203 Crypto Op-Ed: Privacy No Longer an Argument posted by admin on Thursday September 20, @11:39PM M. W. Guzy has a provocative and not entirely coherent essay in Wednesday's St. Louis Post-Dispatch. Excerpt: "(Then-Senator John) Ashcroft wrote that mandating deciphering tools was tantamount to requiring 'individuals to surrender the keys to their house... to the FBI just in case they are someday suspected of breaking the law.' Somehow, that argument rings a little hollow when viewed through the smoldering ruins of the World Trade Center... Now, the landscape has changed. National sovereignty is at stake, and defeat is not an option..." Note that Guzy's essay is part condemnation of modern capitalism, part criticism of business for its support of market liberalism, and entirely inspired by wartime rhetoric. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- POLITECH -- Declan McCullagh's politics and technology mailing list You may redistribute this message freely if you include this notice. Declan McCullagh's photographs are at http://www.mccullagh.org/ To subscribe to Politech: http://www.politechbot.com/info/subscribe.html This message is archived at http://www.politechbot.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- End forwarded message -----

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news.telegraph.co.uk - Anarchy as Taliban lose control
by Jim Choate 21 Sep '01

21 Sep '01

http://www.portal.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/09/21/wafg… -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ Kill them all, take their land, and go there for vacation. Rage Against The Machine The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Pentagon said to eye nuclear attack against terrorists
by Jim Choate 21 Sep '01

21 Sep '01

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/getarticle.pl5?nn20010920a6.htm -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ Kill them all, take their land, and go there for vacation. Rage Against The Machine The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Slashdot | A Stateless IP Phone In The Works From AT&T
by Jim Choate 21 Sep '01

21 Sep '01

http://slashdot.org/articles/01/09/20/1946233.shtml -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ Kill them all, take their land, and go there for vacation. Rage Against The Machine The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Slashdot | 3G Spectrum - Off Limits After Attacks - May cause civilian cell consolidation (ie monopolization)
by Jim Choate 21 Sep '01

21 Sep '01

http://slashdot.org/articles/01/09/20/1826251.shtml -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ Kill them all, take their land, and go there for vacation. Rage Against The Machine The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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21 Sep '01

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somewhat encouraging...
by Riad S. Wahby 21 Sep '01

21 Sep '01

...is that at least _some_ people are against the war. To my surprise and delight, an anti-war march just passed my window taking up all of Mass Ave. Presumably they're marching from MIT up to Harvard. Not like it'll do anything, but it's nice to find people who agree that going to war over all this shit just doesn't make sense. I was saying to a friend not half an hour ago that maybe our generation needs a Vietnam. I'm at once sad and glad to see that it's starting. -- Riad Wahby rsw(a)mit.edu MIT VI-2/A 2002

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MATT DRUDGE // DRUDGE REPORT 2000� - US to overthrow Taliban, put Afghanistan under UN control...
by Jim Choate 21 Sep '01

21 Sep '01

http://www.drudgereport.com/flash3g.htm -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ Kill them all, take their land, and go there for vacation. Rage Against The Machine The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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[Fwd: [biofuel] Global atomic agency confesses little can be done to
by Nomen Nescio 21 Sep '01

21 Sep '01

> Most nuclear power plants were built during the 1960s and 1970s, and > like the World Trade Center, they were designed to withstand only > accidental impacts from the smaller aircraft widely used at the time, > the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) said as it opened its > annual conference. "If you postulate the risk of a jumbo jet full of > fuel, it is clear that their design was not conceived to withstand > such an impact," spokesman David Kyd said. There's a simple solution for this, as well as for many of the other jumbo-jet-attack scenarios. Go back to an earlier suggestion by Lucky Green: : Which of course represents the crux of the issue. The passengers aboard the : aircraft, the workers in the towers, and the emergency personnel on the : ground are dead for two reasons: the US unreasonably meddling in other : People's affairs until they crack, and the extremist gun control measures in : place in the US today, preventing law-abiding citizens from carrying the : firearm of their choice aboard a commercial aircraft. Who could deny that a : few citizens armed with their personal handguns could have stopped two or : three of guys armed with mere box cutters? This is a good idea, but it doesn't go far enough. Guns are not the answer. Anti-aircraft missiles are the answer. We should have a government program to distribute anti-aircraft missiles. Every able-bodied American should be armed with one. Stinger missiles use a shoulder launch carrier and can be fired without much technical training. Any time an aircraft appears to be off course or behaving oddly, anyone in the area can shoot it down. This will be much safer and more reliable than a gunfight on the airplane. Let's seem 'em go after our nuclear plants or dams, knowing that vigilant Americans stand ready to defend these structures with lethal force, never mind the cost in lives! After all, the more arms people possess, the safer the world will be. That seems to be the philosophy of prominent cypherpunks. Stay tuned for: Why should only TERRORISTS have suitcase nukes?

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