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RE: Neverending Cycle ( was : Re: USPS: glowing by leaps and boun ds)
by Trei, Peter 24 Oct '01

24 Oct '01

> Tim May[SMTP:tcmay@got.net] > > > One minute spent searching on "anthrax ames" will disabuse the clueful > of the mistakes made above. > > The Ames strain is _not_ "militarized anthrax." > > --Tim May > >From what I heard yesterday, the 'Ames strain' was, until 1996, mailed to researchers the world over with few checks, for veterinary and medical research purposes. If so, it's presence in the envelopes tells us little about the source. BTW: My understanding is that the USPS plans to irradiate mail with UV light. This could kill spores on the outside, but won't affect film, seeds, or properly packed biological materials. Peter Trei

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Re: FBI considers torture as suspects stay silent
by mmotyka＠lsil.com 24 Oct '01

24 Oct '01

Declan McCullagh <declan(a)well.com> wrote : >On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 08:50:01PM -0700, Tim May wrote: >> Yes, but this is one of those manufactured, utterly implausible >> situations. I cannot think of a single instance where a suspect had this >> kind of knowledge, with this kind of stakes, and with this kind of "next >> three hours" timetable. Even relaxing each item by a factor of 10...I >> can't think of any such examples. > >Neither can I. My intention was not to suggest that it's acceptable to >rip out the accused's toenails, slowly, but to suggest that this is >the kind of scenario that we may hear politicians talking about in short >order. > >-Declan > I wonder what orders our raiders have in regards prisoners? While we're debating what may or may not happen here my guess is that the decision about what to do with captured al Quaeda or Taliban higher-ups on the battlefield was decided long ago. The interrogators and their bags of tricks are ready for subjects. We have to know what they know. Mike

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Clubbing in Fortress Amerika (fwd)
by Karsten M. Self 24 Oct '01

24 Oct '01

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Life is a Cabaret, my friends. on Sat, Oct 20, 2001 at 12:56:02PM -0700, Giovanna Imbesi (pho(a)tuttomedia.com) wrote: > Last night my friend and I stopped at a Venice club/bar. At the door > they were doing the normal ID check, but then took my driver's license > and swiped it into a little Palm-like device...and all the info popped > up on the screen. I was startled, amused and outraged all at the same > time. My friend knows the new owners of the building and told me that > the owners had rented part of the upstairs space to a guy with a youth > marketing company, also coincidentally a long-time friend of his. > What are they doing with this information? I've been wondering what > real implications a national ID card would present and here was a > clear example of potential abuse. Is this even legal? Aren't they > authorized to check date-of-birth but no more? Is it legal to retain > the data? What data is stored in the magnetic stripe on a California > driver's license - name, address, DOB, license #, and signature? > > On the way out I asked if we got our data back but only got a nervous > laugh in reply. > > G. > > > Giovanna Imbesi > TuttoMedia > http://www.tuttomedia.com > 310-399-2800 > gio(a)tuttomedia.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This is the pho mailing list, managed by Majordomo 1.94.4. > > To send a message to the list, email pho(a)onehouse.com. > To send a request to majordomo, email majordomo(a)onehouse.com and put your > request in the body of the message (use request "help" for help). > To unsubscribe from the list, email majordomo(a)onehouse.com and put > "unsubscribe pho" in the body of the message. - -- Karsten M. Self <kmself(a)ix.netcom.com> http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? Home of the brave http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ Land of the free Free Dmitry! Boycott Adobe! Repeal the DMCA! http://www.freesklyarov.org Geek for Hire http://kmself.home.netcom.com/resume.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE70dnAOEeIn1XyubARArMaAJ95uo4KZfqqkWj/RD8adX3PN1Z/vACfa9xA rLjWNMMw6+UefXhnRwN8x60= =tBCH -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Anthrax Letters
by Mark Talbot 24 Oct '01

24 Oct '01

http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/pressrel01/102301.htm

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DUNNINGER
by Sandy Sandfort 24 Oct '01

24 Oct '01

C'punks, Penn suggests reading Joseph Dunniger if you want to know how magic works. One of Dunninger's books listed on Amazon.com is, Dunninger's Complete Encyclopedia of Magic. S a n d y

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Cool article on sound underwater
by Adam Shostack 24 Oct '01

24 Oct '01

http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99991440 Uses a known carrier through a randomizing media so that only the source and dest will have the same randomization performed on their signal. -- "It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once." -Hume

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War Criminals
by John Young 24 Oct '01

24 Oct '01

Paul Krugman, Economic Columnist, New York Times, 24 October 2001: At worst, war bonds will offer a lower return than ordinary bonds. And if some people buy them nonetheless, what will they finance? Here's where that tax bill enters the picture. The remarkable thing about the 'stimulus' package that passed the Ways and Means Committee on a straight party-line vote is that it barely even pretends to serve its ostensible function. It consists largely of permanent tax cuts, not the temporary cuts that you would expect in a stimulus package. It systematically gives money to those least likely to spend it, that is, to high-income taxpayers, and above all to large corporations. Some of the provisions in the House bill are simply mind-boggling. For example, there is a large *retroactive* tax cut for corporations that would lead to immediate rebates of hundreds of millions of dollars to *each* of a select list of giant companies, many of them in the energy industry (though the $1.4 billion check to I.B.M. would top the list). On the other hand, there is almost nothing in the bill for people who might actually need more money. The extra unemployment benefits, in particular, are far less generous than those offered in the last recession, when the elder Bush was president. The bill, in short, looks as if it was written by corporate lobbyists -- and it probably was. Even Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill was evidently embarrassed by the bill, dismissing its more outlandish components as 'show business' designed to impress campaign donors. But his remark was naove. Those lobbyists are serious men, who are paid by their employers to deliver results, not gestures; they wouldn't have put those provisions in unless they thought they had enough power to get them enacted. And sure enough, the White House soon contradicted Mr. O'Neill; the president, declared Ari Fleischer, was 'very pleased' with the House bill. Which brings us back to those war bonds. The government not only isn't calling for shared sacrifice; it is 'very pleased' with a proposal to give billions in handouts to corporations. And in that case, what is someone who buys a war bond really helping to finance? Put it this way: If the House has its way, the government will give far more in tax breaks to corporations over the next year than it will spend fighting terrorism. Yet somehow one suspects that people would not rush to buy 'corporate tax-cut bonds.'

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Re: FBI considers torture as suspects stay silent
by AARG! Anonymous 24 Oct '01

24 Oct '01

>Besides, the Taliban don't dance. When the B-52's are performing even the Taliban develop rhythm.

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Terrorists and Solutions
by Blanc 24 Oct '01

24 Oct '01

Cpunks, what are your ideas on this: . What would be an acceptable way for the U.S. government to handle the current problem of terrorists in the U.S. in order to "catch" the ones already here and to prevent future attacks (acknowledged, they will do what they are prepared to do, given their mind-set)? - undesireable: national ID cards, home & computer intrusions, wiretapping, increased surveillance as in England . What would be a practical way for those in the U.S. to handle there now being trained terrorists in the midst, in consideration the fact that: - there could be other surprise attacks in the future - terrorist activities could escalate as a result of the bombing of Afhanistan, that this could set off the other "cells" and gain supporters, especially if Bin Laden were killed (already noted: stay away from "soft-targets", stock up on basics (though not a terrorist deterrent), get a gun and/or other defense means, be alert) - at this time, those not resembling Arabs won't have as much of a problem of arousing suspicion and investigation, but as "civil liberties" are being adversely affected, everyone must consider how they will deal with these developments - how they will fight them or live with them in the interim .. Blanc

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Verba Volant 24-10-01
by verba＠rol.it 24 Oct '01

24 Oct '01

Verba Volant 24-10-01, Every day a new quotation translated into many languages. Logos Translations - www.logostranslations.com _________________ Quotation of the day: Author - Albert Einstein http://www.logos.it/bio/albert_einstein.html English - I am not only a pacifist but a militant pacifist. I am willing to fight for peace Italian - non soltanto sono pacifista... sono un pacifista militante. Sono disposto a lottare per la pace Spanish - no soy sólo pacifista, sino pacifista militante. Estoy dispuesto a combatir por la paz French - je ne suis pas seulement pacifiste, mais pacifiste militant; je suis prêt à me battre pour la paix Portuguese - não só sou pacifista, como também sou um pacifista militante. Estou disposto a lutar pela paz German - ich bin nicht einfach Pazifist ich bin ein militanter Pazifist, der bereit ist, für den Frieden zu kämpfen Hungarian - én nem csupán pacifista, hanem harcos pacifista vagyok. A békéérét kész vagyok akár harcolni is Finnish - en ole vain pasifisti, olen militantti pasifisti. Olen valmis taistelemaan rauhan puolesta Catalan - no només soc pacifista, soc un pacifista militant. Estic dispost a lluitar per la pau Croatian - nisam samo pacifist...ja sam borbeni pacifist. Spreman sam da se borim za mir Czech - nejsem jen pacifista ... jsem pacifista militatntní. Jsem pripraven za mír bojovat Dutch - ik ben niet enkel een pacifist maat een militante pacifist. Ik ben bereid om voor vrede te vechten Emiliano-Romagnolo - a so pazifista piò d'na muliga... a so pazifista cumbatent. A so pront a ragner par la pesa Furlan - no dome 'o soi pacifist... 'o soi un pacifist militant. 'O soi dispuest a lotâ par la pâs Latin - non solum pacis amator sum,..sed strenuus. Ad pugnandum pro pace paratus sum Polish - nie tylko jestem pacyfista...jestem pacyfista walczacym.Jestem gotowy walczyc o pokój Romanian - nu sunt doar pacifist, sunt un pacifist militant. Sunt dispus sa lupt pentru pace Slovak - nie som iba pacifista...som militantný pacifista. Som pripravený za mier bojovat Venetian - no so solo on pacifista ... so on pacifista militante. So disposto a lotare per la paxe Sicilian - non sulu sugnu pacifista... sugnu un pacifista militanti. Sugnu dispostu a luttari p' 'a paci Flemish - ik ben niet enkel een pacifist maat een militante pacifist. Ik ben bereid om voor vrede te vechten Ferrarese - an son brisa un pacifista e bona... a son un pacifista militante. A son dispost a far la guera par la pace Bolognese - a n sån brîsa såul un paziféssta... a sån un paziféssta arabé. A sån prónti anc a lutèr par la pès _________________ All languages, please click on this link http://www.rol.it/owa-k/press.frasiproc.carica?code=428 _________________ To unsubscribe from Verba Volant, please follow this link: http://www.rol.it/owa-k/press.rol_ml.verbavolant and write in the empty field next to unsubscribe the email address that you find after "TO:" in the Verba Volant emails alternatively write to the following address: unsubscribe_volant(a)rol.it always copying the EMAIL address written after "TO:"

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