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Re: Proving security protocols (fwd)
by Jim Choate 03 Nov '01

03 Nov '01

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 18:15:47 +1300 (NZDT) From: Peter Gutmann <pgut001(a)cs.auckland.ac.nz> To: bmukherj(a)styx.uwaterloo.ca, cryptography(a)wasabisystems.com, rick_smith(a)securecomputing.com Subject: Re: Proving security protocols Rick Smith at Secure Computing <rick_smith(a)securecomputing.com> writes: >At 09:00 AM 11/1/2001, Roop Mukherjee wrote: >>Can someone offer some criticism of the practice formal verification in >>general ? >Okay, I'll grab this hot potato. I may as well speak up as well then... I spent most of a chapter of my thesis looking at formal security verification in fairly exhaustive detail (if I missed anything I'm sure I'll hear about it soon :-). You can get it as http://www.cryptoapps.com/~peter/04_verif_techniques.pdf. The conclusion is that there are more effective ways to spend your time and money, but for the full story I'd recommend you read the above document. Peter. --------------------------------------------------------------------- The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe cryptography" to majordomo(a)wasabisystems.com

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Re: Rubber hose attack (fwd)
by Jim Choate 03 Nov '01

03 Nov '01

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 22:26:28 EST From: JohnE37179(a)aol.com To: lynn.wheeler(a)firstdata.com, JohnE37179(a)aol.com Cc: cryptography(a)wasabisystems.com, Jason.Gruber(a)btinternet.com, rick_smith(a)securecomputing.com, vertigo(a)panix.com Subject: Re: Rubber hose attack In a message dated 11/2/01 8:46:25 PM, lynn.wheeler(a)firstdata.com writes: << the following from a thread on some of the fees related to fraud issues at >> Again, this is only a very small part of the problem. The Inspector General's office reports that the average identity fraud in the Social Security Administration costs over $100,000. Texas Medicaid loses approximately 25% of its $4 billion budget to fraud. The ABA reports that the average cost of each credit card fraud for the issuer exceeds $3500. Each incident of identity fraud in recruiting costs DOD over $500,000. John Ellingson CEO Edentification, Inc. 608.833.6261 ||||# |||||| |||||| --------------------------------------------------------------------- The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe cryptography" to majordomo(a)wasabisystems.com

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Re: Rubber hose attack (fwd)
by Jim Choate 03 Nov '01

03 Nov '01

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 19:45:26 -0700 From: lynn.wheeler(a)firstdata.com To: JohnE37179(a)aol.com Cc: cryptography(a)wasabisystems.com, Jason.Gruber(a)btinternet.com, JohnE37179(a)aol.com, rick_smith(a)securecomputing.com, vertigo(a)panix.com Subject: Re: Rubber hose attack the following from a thread on some of the fees related to fraud issues at http://lists.commerce.net/archives/internet-payments/200110/maillist.html specifically from a thread on Visa/MasterCard Antitrust Comments. Here's an interesting quote taken directly from Judge Barbara Nelson's decision (the full text of the decision is available at: <http://home3.americanexpress.com/corp/doj/crt_dec_011009.pdf>): "Defendants' ability to price discriminate also illustrates their market power. Both Visa and MasterCard charge differing interchange fees based, in part, on the degree to which a given merchant category needs to accept general purpose cards. Transactions with catalog and Internet merchants, for example, which rely almost completely on general purpose cards, have higher interchange fees than 'brick and mortar' merchants. Defendants rationalize this difference by pointing to increased fraud in these merchant categories, but this explanation is belied by the fact that the Internet merchant, not Visa/MasterCard or their member banks, bears virtually all the risk of loss from fraudulent transactions. Even today, Amazon's fraud rate is lower than mail-order companies, yet it is charged (indirectly, through the merchant discount) the same interchange fee as these mail order companies. The reality is that Visa and MasterCard are able to charge substantially different prices for those hundreds of thousands of merchants who must take credit cards at any price because their customers insist on using those cards." --------------------------------------------------------------------- The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe cryptography" to majordomo(a)wasabisystems.com

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Basque Code Talkers
by John Young 03 Nov '01

03 Nov '01

>From Intel Forum mail list:

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American Schools Need Flattening Too
by Eric Cordian 03 Nov '01

03 Nov '01

Students in AmeriKKKan government-run schools have never had much freedom of speech, since the courts have ruled that all administrators have to do is mumble something about the "disruption" of the (laugh) "educational process" and civil rights conveniently evaporate. Still, there's something annoying when a high school student isn't allowed to publicly question the War in Afghanistan. Contrast this with the Vietnam War, before the police state had been racheted up to its current degree of tightness. Asscruft now wants life sentences for anyone yelling "Anthrax" in a public place, or sprinkling talcum powder on their friends. "Zero Tolerance" moves from the classroom to the rest of society. In other news, we have received credible information from several usually reliable sources that some unspecified person or group might commit an unspecified terrorist act against an unspecified target in the near but unspecified future. We urge everyone to be on their highest alert, and ignore anything that sounds like screaming children being cluster bombed. ----- CHARLESTON, W.Va. -- A judge ruled Thursday that a 15-year-old sophomore cannot form an anarchy club or wear T-shirts opposing the U.S. bombing of Afghanistan because it would disrupt school. Katie Sierra was suspended from Sissonville High School for three days for promoting the club. She was also told she could not wear T-shirts with messages such as: "When I saw the dead and dying Afghani children on TV, I felt a newly recovered sense of national security. God Bless America." In a complaint filed with her mother, Sierra argued her right to free speech was being denied. Circuit Court Judge James Stucky agreed that free speech is "sacred" but he found that such rights are "tempered by the limitations that they ... not disrupt the educational process." [Congress shall make NO LAW abridging the freedom of NON-DISRUPTIVE speech (Guffaw)] Sierra said she'll pursue the dispute. "I don't want war. I'm not for Afghanistan," Sierra said. "I think that what we're doing to them is just as bad as what they did to us, and I think it needs to be stopped." James Withrow, lawyer for the Kanawha County Board of Education, argued that an anarchy club was inappropriate because students "do not feel that their school is a safe place anymore." "Anarchy is the antithesis of what we believe should be in schools," Withrow said. Sierra's attorney, Roger Forman, said she is "being punished for expressing her opinion." -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"

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03 Nov '01

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CNN.com - FBI raids Trenton, N.J., apartment - November 2, 2001
by Jim Choate 03 Nov '01

03 Nov '01

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